No, it really isn't.CrunkParty said:
My apologies for coming across the wrong way at first, I was only trying to joke with you, not pick on you
Leave me alone PC gamers!
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My apologies for coming across the wrong way at first, I was only trying to joke with you, not pick on you
just ignore them; the annoying ones are a the vocal minority(i hope)
if some how lack the intellect to see the error of your logic then applied the same logic to describing religious people. trust me you will find an error
it almost like PC gamers are in fact a large group of people with varying options. in other words their not a hive mind. console gamer's are also not a not a hive mind.Bhaalspawn said:
if some how lack the intellect to see the error of your logic then applied the same logic to describing religious people. trust me you will find an error
. . . My computer can't display it :'(SmashLovesTitanQuest said:NO!!! NEVER!!!
LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!
Do you enjoy a good flamestorm?CrunkParty said:
Do the fires of hatred warm the cockles of your heart?
Do you feel the need to entertain yourself by watching others have arguments over the pettiest of subjects?
If so, then this thread is for you.
I agree 100%.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
On that other point you mentioned, YES to the higher-than-thou condescending smirk of some PC owners. I have a feeling those individuals brag about the ability to stream p0rn at the same time they run WoW. T_T
Then again, fanboys are everywhere. X-douches are just as bad.
I myself have grown overfond of my PSP, to the point of showing it to my friends as if my actual child; on to some adorable antics...
The matter is however settled as soon as you look at a computer as a tool. I use mine strictly for work. (withtheoccasionalmatchofDawnOfWarbutthatdoesntcount'K?!)
My daddy is buying me a PC for christmas (and before people make smarmy remarks, I'm 27 and living on my own. Daddy however doesn't mind me calling him that <3) and he's doing it so we can play some games together.Vigormortis said:Actually, if you really had read through most of the posts, you'd have noticed that a vast majority of the self-proclaimed PC gamers on here have been the most well-mannered and open of the posters.chinangel said:
In fact, most of the confrontational posts, like the one quoted from you, have been from the console players. Kind of telling about this whole discussion. (though, sad to say, there have been one or two rather obnoxious PC commentors)
I have to ask: Do you not see the issue of lambasting PC gamers for be "prejudiced" towards consoles and console gamers, simply on principle, when you yourself are "prejudiced" towards PCs and PC gamers for the very same reason? How does that not make you just as guilty as the "PC elitists" you revile so much?
You can make all the claims you want about PC gamers being "mean" to you for your choice of gaming platform, but don't expect any sympathies when you do the same to them.
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On a side note, however, I have to add a few things.
Firstly, you can build a decent PC today for between $300 and $400 that is vastly more powerful and vastly more capable than any of the current-gen consoles. So your "$700" is quite an exaggeration.
Secondly, I'm not sure what kind of computers your familiar with, but I don't need dozens of different programs to "help it run". All I need is an operating system and a few drivers, same as a console requires. Likewise, any superfluous programs I might use (not require) don't require monthly fees. The only case I can think of a software package, used for gaming, requiring a monthly fee is, ironically, Xbox Live.
Now, no one will argue that buying a PC is, initially, a little more expensive than buying a console. However, over the course of owning either system, you will end up saving a hell of a lot more money with a PC than you ever will with a console.
The increased costs of games, services, peripherals, etc you find on consoles add up quite quickly. Given both the lower costs of ownership and increased number of services available on PC, PCs end up being cheaper for gaming than consoles.
As for being "hacked" or acquiring viruses, well...that's on the user. If you practice safe internet surfing then you'll be fine.
Your comment on the "general unpleasantness of the PC community" is not only an inflammatory generalization, it's just rude. There's no call for that. Not if we all want a have a conversation and not an argument.
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All that said, I don't care what platform someone games on. What ever platform suits your needs or proves to be more fun should be the one you use. Regardless of it's "pros" and "cons".
You prefer one of the consoles? Great! Good for you. It's no skin off my bones. Hell, if it's an Xbox360 or a Wii perhaps we can play something together. God knows I wouldn't mind an excuse to start using my Xbox again.
Still, though you seem dead-fast in your hatred of PC gaming, I wouldn't mind introducing you to the wonders held within. There are a lot of great games to be enjoyed on the PC.
If you ever change your mind, I know of a few really great TF2 servers.
Perhaps, but that's still no excuse to act that way. Especially if we, the PC gamers, are going to rid ourselves of the "elitist" image.Mycroft Holmes said:
Come on man. We can do better!
While I do thank you for the offer, I will politely decline the TF2 thing...mostly because i"m not really interested in it. I've played the game before and It's not really my thing, sorry.
I'm a PC gamer, but not for graphics or specs or price (certainly not price). I like it because the platform is open where as consoles have much heavier restrictions. I probably couldn't play Bethesda games without mods to add more content to them. I would be disappointed to know that all this custom content for L4D or Portal is out there as custom maps made by players that I couldn't access on PS3 or Xbox. That's all it's really about for me... well... that and more reliable online gaming.
That said, I'm under the belief that Xbox is the least impressive of the three consoles. I know I'll get flack for this, but it really is. PS3 is bloated with tech it doesn't use, has too much firmware, and has a joke of online service, but it has way more exclusives that interest me than Xbox. On top of that, it's not as open as PC (not by a long shot) but it is more open than Xbox. This may mean lesser security, but I'd honestly trade in a little security for more functionality... until it gets taken away in a firmware update and someone has to hack it to restore that feature.
As for the Wii, it ended up being a disappointing system, but it set out to do something different and fun. It also has more exclusives that interest me, but that's due to a 20-year library of games sitting on Virtual console. Had Nintendo taken just a little more time to add more finesse to controls, it probably would have been universally accepted by everyone, but it was pushed out (imo) too early and we got a lesser product. I'm looking forward to the WiiU because I see greater potential there, but it is equally likely to fuck it up. We'll just have to wait & see.
That's my thoughts on the consoles. tl;dr: Xbox is the least impressive or interesting console of the bunch regardless of comparisons to PC or not, imo.
That said, I'm under the belief that Xbox is the least impressive of the three consoles. I know I'll get flack for this, but it really is. PS3 is bloated with tech it doesn't use, has too much firmware, and has a joke of online service, but it has way more exclusives that interest me than Xbox. On top of that, it's not as open as PC (not by a long shot) but it is more open than Xbox. This may mean lesser security, but I'd honestly trade in a little security for more functionality... until it gets taken away in a firmware update and someone has to hack it to restore that feature.
As for the Wii, it ended up being a disappointing system, but it set out to do something different and fun. It also has more exclusives that interest me, but that's due to a 20-year library of games sitting on Virtual console. Had Nintendo taken just a little more time to add more finesse to controls, it probably would have been universally accepted by everyone, but it was pushed out (imo) too early and we got a lesser product. I'm looking forward to the WiiU because I see greater potential there, but it is equally likely to fuck it up. We'll just have to wait & see.
That's my thoughts on the consoles. tl;dr: Xbox is the least impressive or interesting console of the bunch regardless of comparisons to PC or not, imo.
Fair enough. The TF2 offer wasn't the only thing from PC gaming I was referring to. It was simply a small example tossed into the friendly gesture.chinangel said:
Still, when you receive that computer for Christmas, don't be so quick to dismiss it once you're done with Guild Wars 2. Like I said before, PC gaming has a lot to offer. Would be a shame if you didn't at least give it a chance.
I am a PC gamer and have been for a while now, what I prefer about the PC is the freedom to it. On a console a game is made published sold at a price set by the publisher and game distributor. You are told how to play a game on what screen and with what controller with a pre-determined control scheme ,sometimes a few if you're lucky. I also think that the gap between consoles and pc gaming is becoming to distant, and the stubbornness of sony and microsoft does not help. With windows 8 and the ps4 and xbox 720 just around the corner and not looking good, I think there will be a big jump to linux and the ouya and the wiiU. I also think that valve agrees as they are trying as hard as possible to get steam onto linux as soon as possible.
But as the gap becomes bigger people will be more inclined to make a preference and stick to it. It will be a lot harder to make the change between the two ways of gaming. I think that this is the wrong way forwards and although there should be a difference between each console and computer gaming, they should try and work together to have more cross platform multiplayer, like mac and windows and steam and ps3 (with portal 2)
But as the gap becomes bigger people will be more inclined to make a preference and stick to it. It will be a lot harder to make the change between the two ways of gaming. I think that this is the wrong way forwards and although there should be a difference between each console and computer gaming, they should try and work together to have more cross platform multiplayer, like mac and windows and steam and ps3 (with portal 2)
Yay for consoles forcing people to make cross-platform games that does not work as intended on either system!
Wait, is that on topic
Does it even make sense
I do not care
I really can not see why people would use consoles for anything but compact in house multiplayer
I used to play console for years, then i got a good computer
Wait, is that on topic
Does it even make sense
I do not care
I really can not see why people would use consoles for anything but compact in house multiplayer
I used to play console for years, then i got a good computer
Well, I hate to sound like I'm coming down on you like everyone you described in your post, but yea there are a lot of problems with gaming that consoles perpetuate. Price, continued reliance on DirectX 9, obsolete hardware, forced lower standards for graphics, and of course lobby based game servers. I know, I used to love my xbox but now that I've gotten a gaming PC I find myself hating almost everything about it. I wish that xbox would put games first, but these days it seems like ads, youtube, facebook, more ads, and zune are more important to xbox than the actual games I bought the thing for.
Maybe consoles themselves aren't the problem, maybe its just the people making them that need to be reminded what games and gaming are all about. Because the "home entertainment experience" is not what I paid 300 bucks for. There are some things that can't be defended this way however, the fact that pc games are being held back by 'consolification' and the need to meet the lowest common denominator (the console hardware). And some of the bewilderingly bad design decisions game makers make to accommodate the broadest audience, the console audience.
I also noticed that you too play warhammer 40k, I myself have about 5000pts of ultramarines, and a warlord titan. Believe me, I know what expensive means. But if you approach pc building intelligently there is no reason it can't be affordable, newegg and amazon exist for a reason. Heck, there are even affordable pre-built sites like sagernotebooks.com or ibuypower.com.
Maybe consoles themselves aren't the problem, maybe its just the people making them that need to be reminded what games and gaming are all about. Because the "home entertainment experience" is not what I paid 300 bucks for. There are some things that can't be defended this way however, the fact that pc games are being held back by 'consolification' and the need to meet the lowest common denominator (the console hardware). And some of the bewilderingly bad design decisions game makers make to accommodate the broadest audience, the console audience.
I also noticed that you too play warhammer 40k, I myself have about 5000pts of ultramarines, and a warlord titan. Believe me, I know what expensive means. But if you approach pc building intelligently there is no reason it can't be affordable, newegg and amazon exist for a reason. Heck, there are even affordable pre-built sites like sagernotebooks.com or ibuypower.com.
True, but then again you'll have to "fork out...large sums of money" for the new consoles when they release. Far more than you'd pay for the current gen consoles. So really, it's a fair comparison.Archangel357 said:
Compatibility issues are par for the course when you have so many different hardware manufacturers making so many different parts for each individual PC. I was never dismissing that point.
However, that still doesn't change the fact that a console requires operating systems and driver packages too. OS and packages that often have their own set of issues, bugs, and shortcomings. (Xbox Live party system anyone?) And, more and more now-a-days, will require constant firmware updates and driver patches for it's games.
Think, how many times have popped the disc for a game you just purchased into your console and, before you can even load it up, it asks you to download an update?
Consoles today are plagued by same things PCs have had to deal with for years.
Your list isn't exactly fair, is it? I mean, you add buying software packages like MS Office towards the price of a gaming PC. Does your console run MS Office?
Likewise, if you're going to add things like external speakers and gamepads (why would you need speakers AND a headset?), then you might as well add in the price of your TV and controllers for your console. Besides, you don't need things like external hard-drives. Why add that as a "required price for admission" for PCs? You can buy external drives for consoles, so where's the difference?
Since learning how to safely surf the web, I've only been hit once by malware over the course of my last three PCs. Even then, it was because of my carelessness.
Clicking on a banner ad, by the way, is on the user. That's not the PCs fault.
If someone gets "hacked", it's usually because they did something incredibly reckless, brash, or careless while online, or they did something to make themselves an enticing target to would-be hackers. There are so many individual machines connected to the internet that it's a pipe-dream to think hackers are actively seeking individuals out, "just for fun". Websites, famous persons, and corporations, sure. But to go through the trouble of actively hunting down some random person, for no other reason than to do it? Rarely if ever happens.
Fact of the matter is, if you're careful about your time online, you're safe from most malware. Not all, but as long as you're mindful of what you're doing, you should be okay.
I never said PCs were perfect. Nor did I say consoles are inherently bad. I was simply pointing out the false claims people often make to belittle PC gamers and PC gaming. Same as I would if someone was making false claims against consoles.
I too own a PC and several consoles/handhelds. Hell, I've got a few boxes full of old consoles and console games in my closet. I still occasionally pull out the Nintendo 64 to game with friends at a party.
What I'm saying is, I'm a gamer. I've been gaming since I was wee-lad in the 80's. As such, I've "gamed" on a lot of varied systems. Therefore, I don't care what others game on. If they're having fun then why should that bother me? What kind of jerk would deride someone for gaming on a different platform?
I certainly won't.
OP, thumbs up for playing 40k.
OT: I went from being a PC gamer, to PS3, back to PC, and, honestly, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. PCs have graphics, longevity and convenience. Consoles are more well rounded for all types of games, e.g. driving games, flight games, platformers. Consoles are also easier to manage because you don't have to deal with driver updates, upgrades, malfunctions, cooling, etc.
It really just depends on what you're into, and people eho rag on others for their preferences are dicks, just ignore them OP, that's all you need to do.
OT: I went from being a PC gamer, to PS3, back to PC, and, honestly, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. PCs have graphics, longevity and convenience. Consoles are more well rounded for all types of games, e.g. driving games, flight games, platformers. Consoles are also easier to manage because you don't have to deal with driver updates, upgrades, malfunctions, cooling, etc.
It really just depends on what you're into, and people eho rag on others for their preferences are dicks, just ignore them OP, that's all you need to do.