Leave me alone PC gamers!

[K1CKER]

Jeez, I wonder WHY they bash you so very hard about having a seriously inferior, overpriced, inconvenient, technologically obsolete and locked down system.

And just so that you're aware, if you're not already:
Consoles are the cause for all the bad things in the industry. Not for the industry mind you, but in the industry. What we game-playing folk want.

TL;DR: Fuck consoles.

Despite your pony avatar I completely agree with everything written in your post.

Consoles just cater to peoples` stupidity and laziness and can be used as a metaphor for everything wrong in the world.

 

[Creator002]

PC is superior because it has a mouse and keyboard with better graphics and Steam and more RAM and a better video card and a cool as processor and...
Sorry. Couldn't do the rest of that without laughing.[footnote]Actually, I just ran out of PC benefits. [/footnote]

You could (COULD!) be over reacting when PC gamers point out flaws consoles have against PCs, however, if you're not, it shouldn't be too hard to ignore them. These people could just be trying to justify the $600-$1000 they spent on a gaming computer that they currently only have 1 game for or they could just be "on the bandwagon" with all the other "cool and elite PC gamers."

(I own only a PC, but play on console and my friend's house all the time.)

 

[Geth Reich]

Looks like only I can claim total victory in the brutal platform wars because I own both consoles and a PC!

(Basks in his infinite glory)

That way I can play the games I like on the PS3 (generally RPGs and FPSs) and play the games I like on the computer (RTSs and online FPSs like Red Orchestra).

 

[TotalerKrieger]

I think many of these PC elitists act in a arrogant condescending manner simply because they enjoy getting a rise out console gamers rather than actually caring about what sort of hardware someone else uses (although this can cut both ways with console gamers throwing around "elitist" just to get a rise out of PC gamers). People seem to invest quite a lot of emotion in what is a really trivial matter. Why can't we just get over the logos and technical specs and just focus on the gaming medium itself. Honestly, why would I care about how some stranger plays a video game? It's absurd.

When it comes to gaming, the only time I get genuinely annoyed is when a multiplatform title has not been properly optimized for the PC. However, this is clearly not the fault of console gamers, it is the fault of the developers/publishers and the market forces which compel them. Also, we have seen a number of times this generation that the PC is not unique to this problem, as cross-console titles often fail to provide optimal gaming experiences (eg. Skyrim on PS3).

So...I forget where I was was going with this...we need to just come together as fellow gamers and focus our hatred not at each other but at...people who play sports...those god-damned jocktards need to be taken down a peg.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

I know the feeling, I always have to paraphrase my discussions with my mates with me being a 'dirty PS3 console player'. I work at my computer, if I could play there too I'd never get any work done and I love the PS3 exclusives I do get. Performace and graphical superiority (that I don't put that much clout into noticing) aren't that great of a selling point to me.

 

[Twilight_guy]

As with other things in life, if someone is saying mean things to you because of your choices and opinions, you should ignore them if possible, and fight them if they oppress you. 'Couse maybe I'm just an America and that's my rebellious nature talking.

 

[jb6503]

It really is a sad thing.
Though I may be primarily a PC gamer, I'm the first to consider the merits of console gaming. It's inexpensive (for the system itself, anyway), far more widespread (at least among my peers), and relatively free of crappy ports (I'm looking at you, Bioshock 2). Also, I've noticed a sort of irony present in the malicious posts of most console maligners. The kind of people who accuse console gamers of being too "casual" are generally not the same people who actually get into the more technical side of PC gaming (building, under the hood stuff, ect.). The only difference between a gamer who buys a PC off the shelf and a console gamer is the money they're willing to spend on hardware, so there is really not a huge difference as to how they experience gaming. I don't think that they're able to understand the drawbacks and advantages of the systems any further than polygons and pixels rendered.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Only if they can afford the start up cost in the first place, and I can't.

You can't afford an extra like 600$ over 5 years? Man that's a tight budget. Time for a revolution then, death to the bourgeois.

 

[Tsaba]

It's your money man, do with it what you want.

 

[Jarsh82]

This is just something I've been getting alot of for about a year now.

I never noticed PC gaming was at this level until a year or so ago. I new it was there but I thought consoles was where it was at because I only used my PC for RTS games. However the gap between consoles and PC gets bigger as time goes on and more people switch to PC gaming. Damn right shame too, means no-one will buy the next gen of consoles.

Anyway the point is I feel like I've got this army of PC gamers bashing my xbox now. Everywhere I look PC gamers always seem to do their gosh damn hardest to make people realise what a 'poor' gaming choice consoles are. I'm constantly reminded about my horrible system, over-priced games, dated tech and such. Sorry but I don't have the time to join the superior beings that are PC gamers. My home PC is downstairs and I'd have to build one myself...which isn't gonna happen because I play 40k and that is ridiculously expensive.

Yes I know the PC is the better platform, I have for years, I don't need to be reminded by stupid comments on youtube videos that say "I can't take Roosterteeth seriously when they play on console" and such. Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel the gaming community is against me, that somehow me owning a console makes me a stupid or bad person who isn't a gamer and I should be constantly reminded of my systems failures. Is that the plan? Beat down console gamers until they can't take it and buy PC?

Does anyone feel the same? (likely its a majority of PC gamers on this site)
Does anyone completely and utterly disagree with me?
This isn't an angry rant just an observation that ticks me off a little.

We?re just trying to help you to lead a happy and fulfilling life. PC loves you and he wants you to come home where you belong. PC will forgive you for being a dirty xbox heretic. The P in PC stands for peace. I forget what the C stands for but I think it has something to do with having lots of sex.

 

[Jarsh82]

I grew up with PC gaming and had no idea people gave a shit what other people were playing games on. The internet is a strange place.

 

[Joccaren]

You know, I tend to find the opposite. I see more console players running around and shouting "PC Elitist" and "At least I didn't spend 3K on my console", among other crap far more often then I see PC players saying "Lol, consoles are so weak. They suck". Why do we always get picked on by console gamers?

You know, maybe its not PC gamers, but a bunch of idiots on the Internet acting like, well, a bunch of idiots on the Internet.

You run into both kinds all the time. Most of each group, at least in my experience, is reasonable. Console players recognize their hardware is inferior, and that its the fact that they can't be bothered Googling what to do to make a PC that is their main barrier of entry, and PC players acknowledge that you don't need to be bothered Googling what to do to play a game and have fun.

You do, however, run into idiots on both sides who claim that PCs cost a small fortune and has to upgrade every few weeks, and is impossible to play on because of bugs and drivers, or that not having time/wanting to build a PC makes you a stupid person. To use such people as representatives of an entire, rather wide and varied, group of people is, quite frankly, disingenuous.

 

[Signa]

Fixed that for you. Seriously, the vast majority of people who own a console are...

Wait for it........

People who own a console.

And that's it. The only common theme is that we all own a console, not that we're racist, or homophobic, or stupid, or anything else.

Yeah, go ahead and keep thinking that. Take offense to the supportive words I sent toward the OP for dealing with negative comments that he shouldn't have to, I don't care. None of that is going to change the stereotype that Xbox users are a bunch of drunk, racist frat-boys looking to take down "dem terrorists". Just because you and the OP are exceptions doesn't break the rule.

It's a fact that consoles cater to the lowest common denominator, so trying to pretend otherwise is just disingenuous. I don't doubt you have some counter examples lined up, but unless you think you can name off roughly 1/3rd of the games market under the heading of that list, you're just going to be lying to yourself. "LCD" games can still be fun, but when that is all there is to play in the whole market, gamers who want more than that start to get edgy. Everyone else is happy just picking up their next copy of Call of Duty year after year like it's the Madden franchise. I didn't pull out my SNES this weekend because I needed a hefty dose of nostalgia, gameplay design may have been more brutal than most people have patience for, but it also was far more rewarding and enjoyable to play.

'Console Bretheren'?

Please, for the love of God will you people stop acting like this is some kind of good vs evil war bullshit.

I fail to see how that has anything to do with what I said. AT WORST, it's normal versus asinine. PCs generally offer better expereinces for a cheaper price than consoles. Saying it's about "good vs evil" is inflating the issue while saying its too overblown to begin with.

And to all the 'true' PC gamers posting on this thread,
I'm sorry if someone cant afford to build from scratch a top of the range gaming tower with Nvidia Quadro graphics card, Cooler Master stainless steel gaming case, 3rd gen processor, wireless mouse and keyboard, 8GB of memory, 1TB hard drive and built-in surround sound, so they have to settle for an outdated machine that has about 1/10 the power of a PC, but I guess that makes them a cancer on the industry, oh well.

And yes, there is something wrong with you if you constantly *****, and whine, and moan about what flavour of platform, PC or console that someone prefers, and act like your being repressed, only to completely prove their point.
If they're having fun with whatever platform they own, who really cares?

And I play PC gamees about 80-90% of the time.

Somehow, you sound like you're still missing the point. Maybe I didn't read enough of the thread (first page is enough for me in conversations like this), but I saw no one attacking the OP for enjoying his console. He never once said it was the better choice, just what he had the most fun with. No one should even attempt to counter that point. Anyone should just enjoy games regardless of platform.

The reason why we have this argument in the first place is because since the current console generation started, the games that everyone used to enjoy are becoming less enjoyable, and more disposable. It's like getting a burger at Denny's (or insert your favorite sit-in restaurant here) and being served a McDonald's dollar menu instead. You can still enjoy McD's, but that doesn't mean you will be satisfied with what you got.

So why are consoles under fire? Surely it's the developers that are the issue? Yes and no. You say you spend 80%-90% of your time on PC games. Have you not seen the games that leave Xbox button icons in the game? What about option menus that have no options? Or what about the games that promised hundreds of features, but you found the way they offered it to be shallow? Seriously, read the back of the Bioshock case. It promises a lot of cool sounding features, but in-game they are just shallow options to give you something to do instead of being game changers. All of that is because the design is meant to accommodate a gamepad. Bioshock was still a great game, but it was in spite of those limitations instead of because of them. So why do console players deserve the ire more than the developers? It's because they are willing to buy them. They proved that people were willing to spend more money ($60 instead of $50) for less gameplay, and that they were willing to do it over and over again. Even if you aren't EA or Activision, the prospect of being paid more to do less is an attractive one. Attempting to copy that success is what any dev would hope for, and thus we get shitty games because shitty people buy them on shitty machines for shitty prices. PC gamers aren't absolved of that responsibility entirely, but market data shows they aren't necessarily a force to even shift trends like what I'm talking about here.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

240 when I got it, bought it second hand intact from someone who was upgrading.

Meaning that you likely got it under market price, and thus can not be used as an example of cost comparisons. If it works for you, that's fine. But it doesn't mean it's cost efficient for everyone. According to the googles the average person is going to spend about 600$ on a new computer.

You said

About 5 years as well, but I only spend 200-300 for it. Not 700-800 bones.

and that you own two consoles. If we assume a dead median price we have 500 for your consoles and 240 for your PC making it 740 which is to say basically the same cost for your 3 mostly redundant systems compared to my one. Which is also just the case for you(Because if we take googles apparent median computer purchase then you're at about 1100$ compared to my high of 800.

4) Steam sales allow you to get games for extremely cheap a few months after release.

If your PC can handle them. Mine can't.

Which is the reality and not the hypothetical reality we are discussing. Meaning that you basically paid almost the exact same amount as I did, except now I get cheaper games and thus come out ahead.

Yea, I ain't factoring in piracy if that's what you're going at.

Downloading abandonware is not piracy, so no, that's not what I'm getting at. And most games worth anything that aren't abandonware have already been ported. The only noteworthy exception I can think of would be Red Dead Redemption.

There's also another factor at play here; I don't live alone, and my GF and I both use the computer for a whole slew of work related activities. Hence, having a console means the gaming isn't tied up.

This is the only argument you have made that holds any water. And it only does so in a very limited way. I already explained in a previous post but essentially the more focused the industry becomes the more economically efficient they will be at building for that system. Ignoring the fact that most people bought L.A. Noire for 60$ and I got it for 5$; if you reduce the pricing on single PCs(as more competition always does) you make it economically viable for people like you to simply have two PCs that can accomplish everything, rather than 3 pieces of restrictive sets of hardware. Even if you had to pay more to get a PC(which is only true in a very very limited set of circumstances) you are going to very quickly(if everyone actually did it) over the course of a few years lower the market rates far below the current conditions allowing the customers to keep more money and the developers to spend more developing games instead of buying licenses.

The opposite does not hold true. If we invest more in consoles, PCs don't simply disappear they simply become specialized as well. The computing power is still there it just isn't being harnessed in a utilitarian manner thus the costs go up slightly for each individual system(as manufacturing is split) and we become forced to buy both at increased prices. So the question is would you like to spend a bunch of extra money over your lifetime or a little bit extra for now to drive down the prices.

Of course that's all game theory and no one will follow it because people are either stupid or distrustful of eachother(As it only actually works that way if the majority of people switch to it.) And it also only applies to you and select other people in this manner. Because as I pointed out according to our collective math, the average person still benefits more from buying a computer.

Does anyone feel the same? (likely its a majority of PC gamers on this site)

The vast majority of people(including those on this site) use both PC and Consoles. The PC exclusive players tend to be a very vocal minority though.

Does anyone completely and utterly disagree with me?

Yes, both for the reason that the vast majority isn't PC exclusive players and for the reason that it makes way more sense to use PCs. They are more efficient in every way, and the more people who use them the more efficient they will become. And because the PC is basically run on an open format they will become better in every way. Consoles however are run on a very specific set of guidelines for what they are supposed to be doing, and thus if we favor them over PCs they will only become more powerful in very restricted and limited ways.

It likely will never happen that people will switch to PCs though. Companies get more money with consoles both from their customers(the more competition in one sector the lower the prices become more people are making hardware/games for that typeset) and from developers(you have to buy a license to develop for something like xbox or PS3, whereas PC is free to develop for.) So as long as people keep buying it there is an economic incentive for those companies that control the consoles to keep people using them at the expense of the consumer and of developers.

My home PC is downstairs and I'd have to build one myself...which isn't gonna happen because I play 40k and that is ridiculously expensive.

Pretty much everyone is going to own a PC anyways. Piggybacking on that initial cost to simply get some better hardware actually makes it the cheaper option than owning a run of the mill PC and a console. Also if you only play warhammer with friends(which is what I do) you might try just cutting up pieces of paper into squares(or circles) and labeling them. That's what I do because I'm super ghetto and didn't want to buy the overpriced models.

Is that the plan? Beat down console gamers until they can't take it and buy PC?

Yes and no. My plan is more to inform people of the reasons why PCs are the superior option economically and functionally.

Pretty much another idea I don't like. Further down you are arguing with someone to actually make them consider buying a PC when they play console. You list how the PC is better in everyway as usual and act as if owning a console is illogical or stupid.

Also you're last sentance actually disgusts me. Are you some kind of gaming messiah that must spread his teachings to the unwashed masses? Let people play what they want instead of trying to convert them.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

I dunno man, I'm really surprised that people make fun of your console when you play Warhammer. I mean there is nerdy and then there is... Yeah, Warhammer is one of those things that is a huge red flag to girls. Seriously.

I couldn't give a rats ass about girls. They are a waste of time and money.

 

[Treblaine]

This is just something I've been getting alot of for about a year now.

I never noticed PC gaming was at this level until a year or so ago. I new it was there but I thought consoles was where it was at because I only used my PC for RTS games. However the gap between consoles and PC gets bigger as time goes on and more people switch to PC gaming. Damn right shame too, means no-one will buy the next gen of consoles.

Anyway the point is I feel like I've got this army of PC gamers bashing my xbox now. Everywhere I look PC gamers always seem to do their gosh damn hardest to make people realise what a 'poor' gaming choice consoles are. I'm constantly reminded about my horrible system, over-priced games, dated tech and such. Sorry but I don't have the time to join the superior beings that are PC gamers. My home PC is downstairs and I'd have to build one myself...which isn't gonna happen because I play 40k and that is ridiculously expensive.

Yes I know the PC is the better platform, I have for years, I don't need to be reminded by stupid comments on youtube videos that say "I can't take Roosterteeth seriously when they play on console" and such. Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel the gaming community is against me, that somehow me owning a console makes me a stupid or bad person who isn't a gamer and I should be constantly reminded of my systems failures. Is that the plan? Beat down console gamers until they can't take it and buy PC?

Does anyone feel the same? (likely its a majority of PC gamers on this site)
Does anyone completely and utterly disagree with me?
This isn't an angry rant just an observation that ticks me off a little.

Sorry but if you come onto a DISCUSSION FORUM about GAMES you have to accept that we are going to DISCUSS such things!

Sorry but just because you chose Xbox 360 doesn't mean the genuine empirical arguments for PC's advantages should be told as they are relevant for what is needed to make for a better industry. Buyer's remorse is no excuse.

If you think Xbox 360 is better in some aspects, then please argue them. But don't make the disingenuous suggestion that becayse you have your stance then your stance cannot be challenged.

I mean if someone had a Wii, you wouldn't think it so reasonable that they'd demand no one ever mention how weak and poorly supported it is compared to Xbox 360

"it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry. "

Not EVERYTHING bad, only about 80% of the horribleness, let's be realistic.

"Is that the plan? Beat down console gamers until they can't take it and buy PC?"

Crudely put, Yes.

Remember we have to deal with blanket media advertising from Microsoft and how their system does SOOO MUCH to lock people into consoles with achievements, subscription fee commitments and so on.

It's not a "beat down". It's grass-roots campaign for progress.

 

[Treblaine]

Let's be clear: I don't have a problem with Xbox 360 being a weak console.

I can deal with "weak" and Xbox 360 is not that weak, there are Weak PCs out there.

My problem with Xbox 360 is the limitations on the system imposed by how it is inherently a console made by a big corporation. Everything is locked down and controlled and sucks the heart and soul out of gaming.

Classic games like DOOM weren't made by massive corporations, they were pretty much indie developments. Indie is the heart of gaming and on consoles it is chewed up and spat out.

And the controls are another issue. Some games need a controller and some need a mouse+keyboard. The thing is I can plug a gamepad into my PC but I CANNOT use a mouse + keyboard with games on Xbox 360. And some games just are not fun unless you play them with a mouse + keyboard.

The content and the controls are king and consoles just suffer so much in this department. And WiiU's idea of innovation is a stylus-based touchscreen rather than a proper mouse?!? Or the breadth of buttons with a keyboard? Oh dear.