This is a nice picture from what I will assume is a fantastic game, running on a PC. My question is, how can I get a PC that will play games with this level of graphical consistency for at or under 249.99 (this is the price of a refurbished 250gig Xbox 360 as of this post.)
Did you post this thread knowing that most responses would be "PC is better, but console is valid, don't listen to morons"? Because that would have been my prediction, and that's pretty much what is happening.
The only thing that would prevent me from buying the next generation Playstation would be if Sony implemented a number of rumoured possible features for the next consoles. Like no physical games, no HDD, advertising in-game, s*** like that. Then I would go straight to PC, unless the next Xbox has free multiplayer and by some accident does not implement those features. Because Sony does at least one thing well, and that is make a solid high-end product that plays games and does not afraid of anything (read as: doesn't screw around with crap you don't want or need, besides the firmware updates of course). I like console gaming because your games always (unless the developer is terrible at optimising) run smoothly, you don't have to worry about something going wrong (unless you're playing Skyrim), the screen is large and I like the controller. On the downside, no mods, generally worse community (very generally), mouse is more accurate, PCs can be upgraded if you have the money/time, controls can more easily support more types of games, and you may not have to pay for the games depending on how ethically sound you are. And I'm sure there are other things. But it just goes to show how much I like the security of knowing my games will work as well as anyone else's, because I don't have the money or time to upgrade my PC, although I acknowledge that for those who do it is a much better platform.
But on the topic of people who despise console players because they play on consoles, screw those people is all that really needs to be said.
I use both consoles and PC, though I am primarily a console gamer, if people don't like that then they can kiss my butt, i'm not going to pander to them, besides, some of the games i've had the most fun with have been console exclusives. Don't let it get to you, those who are being blithely ignorant and intolerant of your choice in entertainment are just idiots trying to validate themselves. As long as you are having fun on your console games, then so much the better.
We?re just trying to help you to lead a happy and fulfilling life. PC loves you and he wants you to come home where you belong. PC will forgive you for being a dirty xbox heretic. The P in PC stands for peace. I forget what the C stands for but I think it has something to do with having lots of sex.
The Enrichment Centre reminds you that the PC will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the PC does speak, the Enrichment Centre urges you to disregard its advice.
In my experience, there are very, very few people explicitly stating that they are "better people" than console gamers, because they use a PC. Let alone calling themselves a master race.
What I have seen, is console gamers explicitly defending their platform of choice by how "easy to use" it is, how not having to bother with installs is a good reason to accept a single company's closed system, not having to learn hardware specs is a good reason to stay years behind graphically, etc.
Then PC gamers conclude it by saying something along the lines of consoles being more "casual", PCs being more "hardcore", (though rarely with this word), and then console gamers automatically take it as an offense that someone claims to be more hardcore than them. Must be an elitist!
That part doesn't really make any sense. If you are openly boasting about how you only watch summer blockbuster movies because they are easier to follow, then don't get offended when a movie connoisseur questions your expertise in movies. If you don't read anything longer than 200 page YA novels because all the words make your head hurt, then don't expect people to call you a bookworm.
That doesn't automatically mean that they are considering you a shit person, either, being heavily invested and not being too invested in a niche are both equally valid options, but still, at least accept it whether or not you are.
OP no matter what, be it games, music, building supplies or power tools - someone, somewhere, disagrees with you and will be a dick in their quest to disagree. If you enjoy playing on your console of choice, then more power to you.
GunsmithKitten said:
I've had death threats from PC Gamers for still primarily using a console.
Inconvenient? I find it more inconvenient to have to spend three hours trying to figure out what's gone on with a game I download instead of playing it immediately. I find it more inconvenient when Steam has problems verifying my user ID key. I find it more inconvenient that when I don't have the internet, I can't play any of my Steam games. I also find it more pricey to spend hundreds or thousands to build a gaming PC, when my 360 only cost me $250, and I've had it ever since.
And yet I still play the ones I can get to work on my PC. Because pretty much everyone understand PCs are more powerful, it all depends in the end on who has the money to make their own, which-surprise, surprise-a good many people cannot afford.
Warning! Anecdotes. I know how much you guys love anecdotes.
Inconvenience - I've only ever had one inconvenience with a game outside the mean problems (Fallout 3 & co's glitchiness across all platforms for example), and that was with a problem with Bioshock when I first got it a long time ago. And this was when I didn't even know what a driver was, which ended up being the problem. Easy fix. Otherwise, I've never had an issue with any game that has been more than a minor hassle (downloading a patch, etc. *This is even more pronounced and slow on consoles, so...*)
I've never had a problem with a Steam CD key, the only probems on that front I've had are with Battlefield 3, which was on Origin, which I now boycott due to how shockingly convoluted and user-unfriendly it is.
Gaming PC - Top end gaming rigs are $1100-1200 at most. A good rig that can play everything up to Battlefield 3 & Witcher 2 smoothly will cost you $600-700 tops. And remember, it's replacing your existing computer, which will have cost you a pretty penny anyway, so it's likely even cheaper than outright buying a console. And the games tend to be large fractions cheaper too.
Hyperbole - This ain't nothin' near one, cap'n, all solid logic and sense on this ship.
Next on the agenda...
Father Time said:
Sanat said:
And just so that you're aware, if you're not already:
Consoles are the cause for all the bad things in the industry. Not for the industry mind you, but in the industry. What we game-playing folk want.
You mean like DRM, and always-online hassles? How about install limits and piracy (yeah there's piracy for console games but the difference between them is like a river vs. an ocean)?
How about Skinner Box social games and MMOs? Was that the consoles?
Oh and how about putting graphics ahead of everything else, surely that would be less of a problem for graphically superior PCs (in bizarro world).
Consoles gave us motion controls and the kinect. You can not like them but they're trying something new.
Oh and how can you blame consoles or PCs for stuff like online passes?
DRM - See Xbox Live, and Microsoft's hard pushing of all things DRM for the last few years, front-lining and trialing new management techniques with the Xbox/Xbox 360 as the test platform.
Skinner Box & MMOs Wait, having a variety of genres is a bad thing now? The general, daft populous likes to waste their time. Skinner Box games give them that ability. And MMOs... They're an entire, successful and (opinions, oh no) rather awesome genre that has opened many worlds to many people. PC exclusive.
Graphics - As much as consoles help benchmark graphics levels and cause (more like force) developers to increase the efficiency of making games look good, they cause a huge bottleneck. The resources that those developers could be using to push the forefront of graphics quality and quantity overall is being squandered (comparatively) on outdated hardware and platforms.
Motion Controls and the Kinect - This is a good point for consoles, and a nice front of techological advancement. I won't give my opinion on the types of games they generate (particularly Kinect) however, it's rather biased.
Whee~
Whiskey 041 said:
Wow, way to personify the original post. I'd never get a gaming computer. Firstly, I like controllers better. Secondly, my favorite franchise, Halo, is a X-box exclusive for the most part. And thirdly, I'm just not enough of a Tech guy to know what I'm doing, so why go through the money and hassle when I could just buy a system once every half decade optimized for gaming and all the franchises I enjoy are on it.
Controllers - Xbox 360 controllers and Playstation 3 controllers are both compatable with any PC that has a USB port. A variety of other controllers are also available, as well as myriad other inputs (wheels, etc.).
Exclusives - Now this is a hard one. I've fallen into the exclusives trap myself. Halo 2, in fact, is still my second favourite game of all time. It's a fantastic piece of work. I also love Halo 3. I did own Halo 2, but it was an Xbox game however, and I believe that that generation of consoles is only vaguely related to this debate, due to its vintage.
Continuing with Xbox games, I got Forza Motorsport for the original Xbox when it came out. That was/is a fantastic game, and I finished it fully, and most probably have a couple of hundred hours or more of gameplay on it. I'm a fairly avid car person, and my addiction to Forza still remains. This is why I have an Xbox 360. I purchased it second hand from EB Games a while ago, solely for Forza 2. I now have Forza 3 and 4 as well, and these remain my only Xbox 360 games, bar Viva Pinata, which came free with the console.
Another peeve related to exclusives I have is console ports. They're very often badly done, and ruinous to the gameplay. They also have hugely constricted and dumbed down graphics options. There've been some terrible examples of this, which is a great shame (A good recent example is Dark Souls). If the game was designed for PC on the other hand...
PC tech experience - Getting to the level of experience and understanding you need to build your own PC is a fun learning experience and really doesn't take much time at all.
A couple of hours of research, a couple of hands-on experiences, a good guide to what to buy, and you're basically set. It's not hard, and it's good knowledge to have.
Also, it's "Fuck PCs", not "PC's".
Fin~
I probably missed someone, but oh well.
And as a TL;DR to my wall of text here, this kind fellow summed it up well for me:
K1CKER said:
Despite your pony avatar I completely agree with everything written in your post.
Consoles just cater to peoples` stupidity and laziness and can be used as a metaphor for everything wrong in the world.
Yeah, go ahead and keep thinking that. Take offense to the supportive words I sent toward the OP for dealing with negative comments that he shouldn't have to, I don't care. None of that is going to change the stereotype that Xbox users are a bunch of drunk, racist frat-boys looking to take down "dem terrorists". Just because you and the OP are exceptions doesn't break the rule.
It's a fact that consoles cater to the lowest common denominator, so trying to pretend otherwise is just disingenuous. I don't doubt you have some counter examples lined up, but unless you think you can name off roughly 1/3rd of the games market under the heading of that list, you're just going to be lying to yourself. "LCD" games can still be fun, but when that is all there is to play in the whole market, gamers who want more than that start to get edgy. Everyone else is happy just picking up their next copy of Call of Duty year after year like it's the Madden franchise. I didn't pull out my SNES this weekend because I needed a hefty dose of nostalgia, gameplay design may have been more brutal than most people have patience for, but it also was far more rewarding and enjoyable to play.
Phrase it how you like, the attitude demonstrated in your posts is exactly the, "Hurr durr console tards PC gaming master race," way of thinking that the OP was calling out.
I bolded stereotype in your post, because that's exactly what you're doing, stereotyping a group of people to fit your preconceived ideas. Unless you have some evidence that the majority of console gamers fit your description, you're being a textbook example of a PC elitist.
Does anyone feel the same? (likely its a majority of PC gamers on this site)
Does anyone completely and utterly disagree with me?
This isn't an angry rant just an observation that ticks me off a little.
I do. I also tend to see it as PC Gamers being insecure. Anyone that needs to proudly display their elitism on forums realizes deep down that they are not.
I remember a time when PC Gamers simply did not give a shit about consoles. They did not engage in conversations with Console gamers. They did not care.
Now, not caring about something means you do not respond, you do not acknowledge its existence. You do not even have to find meaningless ways to prove superiority. You do not care and move on with your lives.
Yes, both for the reason that the vast majority isn't PC exclusive players and for the reason that it makes way more sense to use PCs. They are more efficient in every way, and the more people who use them the more efficient they will become. And because the PC is basically run on an open format they will become better in every way. Consoles however are run on a very specific set of guidelines for what they are supposed to be doing, and thus if we favor them over PCs they will only become more powerful in very restricted and limited ways.
It likely will never happen that people will switch to PCs though. Companies get more money with consoles both from their customers(the more competition in one sector the lower the prices become more people are making hardware/games for that typeset) and from developers(you have to buy a license to develop for something like xbox or PS3, whereas PC is free to develop for.) So as long as people keep buying it there is an economic incentive for those companies that control the consoles to keep people using them at the expense of the consumer and of developers.
VeneratedWulfen93 said:
My home PC is downstairs and I'd have to build one myself...which isn't gonna happen because I play 40k and that is ridiculously expensive.
Pretty much everyone is going to own a PC anyways. Piggybacking on that initial cost to simply get some better hardware actually makes it the cheaper option than owning a run of the mill PC and a console. Also if you only play warhammer with friends(which is what I do) you might try just cutting up pieces of paper into squares(or circles) and labeling them. That's what I do because I'm super ghetto and didn't want to buy the overpriced models.
VeneratedWulfen93 said:
Is that the plan? Beat down console gamers until they can't take it and buy PC?
fair enough...what if after your bills, your payments to the government and whatnot...you dont' have enough money to buy a pc?
Thus is my problem, and the main reason I dislike PC's and PC elitists. Simply put I do not have the money nor the patience to get a PC. The games I want are on the xbox, and quite frankly: I do not care which one is more powerful. What I care about is if I am having fun.
I dunno man, I'm really surprised that people make fun of your console when you play Warhammer. I mean there is nerdy and then there is... Yeah, Warhammer is one of those things that is a huge red flag to girls. Seriously.
having read through (and responded to) a few posts, I'm going to add my two cents.
the PC gamers we have on here are, for the most part, a bunch of jerks.
The thing is that some people don't have the time and money to sink into a PC, and it isn't just the PC itself but all the other software that comes with it quickly makes teh damn thing very very expensive.
you build your PC for...oh...let's say around 700 dollars. Then add on top the different programs you need to buy to help it run or stay protected: and at least some of them are going to have monthly fee's that go along with it.
Congratulations! You are already 3 times more expensive then my console, and I haven't even bought a game yet.
Then you ahve the problem of people hacking your PC, the various viruses and bugs that come along with it and the general unpleasantness of the PC community.
And the funny thing is about this whole discussion is that half of the PC gamers on here are proving the OP's point: PC Gamers are Elitists.
I do not care how powerful your system is, I do not care how pretty your graphics are, I do not care about your PC exclusives and I do not care about your complaining about the inferior ports.
Someone I care about has offered to buy me a PC for gaming and I have reluctantly agreed, it's simply so we can play Guild Wars II together and that's it really.
But even when I get that, I'm still going to be a console gamer. Because it's fun, because it's simple and because I frankly couldn't care less about PC gaming.
If you're happy up in your ivory tower PC gamers, then fine: I'm happy for you. Stay up there.
Seriously though... i don't give a fuck what you play, what console you play it on wether it's your phone or your etcha sketch.
You game, lets talk about it, have a smoke, and find out what it is we like about the games we play and why.
Stop hating and being evangelical about a piece of plastic or tin and learn to value others joy in their choice of gaming consoles, is it really that hard?
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