Let?s Get Off the Xbone Hate-Train Already
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The family share plan that some fans seem to believe it in is the only possible benefit to the system as originally proposed. And I don't see what the big deal for that was. Even the most optimistically read statement from someone currently employed by m$ is that 1 person from a "family" of 10 people could use your games at any given moment. Nice I guess, sort of like having the ability to take a guest with you to the gym. But hardly an even trade for all the other crap.
But whats so great about that? If you have a full 10 family members listed how often would any of them be able to play anything? Its like have 1 bathroom in a house with ten people. Someone is always in there.
This is a great feature if you have like 1 friend who always borrows your game. Or maybe you know someone else who buys a bunch of games you don't want to actually buy but would be interested in trying. But it wasn't going to be you only need to buy 1 copy of a game per 10 people.
Of course I really doubt it was even that. Given how widely varying all the details from M$ where on the initial features and employees questioned about the feature even said it was still being worked on.
But whats so great about that? If you have a full 10 family members listed how often would any of them be able to play anything? Its like have 1 bathroom in a house with ten people. Someone is always in there.
This is a great feature if you have like 1 friend who always borrows your game. Or maybe you know someone else who buys a bunch of games you don't want to actually buy but would be interested in trying. But it wasn't going to be you only need to buy 1 copy of a game per 10 people.
Of course I really doubt it was even that. Given how widely varying all the details from M$ where on the initial features and employees questioned about the feature even said it was still being worked on.
I'm not on a "hate train". That implies I only dislike Microsoft because it's what everyone else is doing.
They are a bad company, with bad policies ect...It's a completely legitimate dislike I have for them. And I was the biggest Xbox fanboy you ever saw until a few years ago.
All the "reversals" they've done as far as DRM is concerned is little more than window dressing. They will reverse again and put everything back, I guarantee it. "Family Sharing" is the only thing that sounds mildly interesting but if what I'm told is accurate, it's little more than a glorified demo service.
Forced to use a peripheral that I don't want? No thanks. Sure, it ensures to developers that everyone will have a Kinect but that doesn't stop me from not wanting to use it. I don't want to jump around and shout at my tv to do completely menial tasks, I want nothing to do with it and considering the link between Microsoft and the NSA...Yeah, It's a completely valid reason not to want an always on camera.
Also, forced to view targeted advertising? Even if you are paying a premium for the "gold" service? Sorry but that's just insulting. If you are paying a subscription to anyone then you should not be forced to get ads, no exceptions.
It's nothing more than a "media box" that happens to also play games, I have zero interest in it and I'm thoroughly loving all the helpless flopping around that Microsoft has been doing in the past few weeks in their desperate scramble to win people back.
They are a bad company, with bad policies ect...It's a completely legitimate dislike I have for them. And I was the biggest Xbox fanboy you ever saw until a few years ago.
All the "reversals" they've done as far as DRM is concerned is little more than window dressing. They will reverse again and put everything back, I guarantee it. "Family Sharing" is the only thing that sounds mildly interesting but if what I'm told is accurate, it's little more than a glorified demo service.
Forced to use a peripheral that I don't want? No thanks. Sure, it ensures to developers that everyone will have a Kinect but that doesn't stop me from not wanting to use it. I don't want to jump around and shout at my tv to do completely menial tasks, I want nothing to do with it and considering the link between Microsoft and the NSA...Yeah, It's a completely valid reason not to want an always on camera.
Also, forced to view targeted advertising? Even if you are paying a premium for the "gold" service? Sorry but that's just insulting. If you are paying a subscription to anyone then you should not be forced to get ads, no exceptions.
It's nothing more than a "media box" that happens to also play games, I have zero interest in it and I'm thoroughly loving all the helpless flopping around that Microsoft has been doing in the past few weeks in their desperate scramble to win people back.
I'm going to assume I'm not the only one who'd point out that this thread is the first thing talking about any Xbox One hate for awhile.Zelgon said:
...quick question, in case you don't read the rest. When you said 'Your Solutions' about the whole check-in, does that mean you yourself don't have a very strong Internet connection?
Second, for the love of Pete, Sony did not announce that they are using 3.5GB. Digital Foundary is assuring us that an anonymous developer is assuring THEM that this happened, but Sony hasn't released a number. The only statement they released was to clarify the different between the types of memory. Now, maybe it will turn out to be 3.5GB, maybe not, but there is no confirmation either way.
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DRM/Family Share
You know what innovation would have been? A console with no disc-based media whatsoever. Digital only games. I'm serious, think about it; if it's all digital-only, then clearly those with strong Internet connections would be the only ones who would be able to use it. There might be some grumbling, sure, but it would die down pretty quickly cause... well... dere's no DISC DRIVE, whaddya gonna do? You can have Family Share, cloud uploading whatchamajigs, all that fun stuff, and the only downside is that you wouldn't be able to buy a game at the game store. This would have been true innovation, a pioneering spirit to push games forward into the Digital Age.
It also would have been an unmitigated disaster. Though I've heard plenty of people insist that disc-based games are dying, they're nowhere near dead yet. Every single person who didn't have an unlimited data cap, or a slow connection speed, etc, would just have gone to the competition. Folks with poor Internet would never have been able to play a single game on it. You yourself have said you enjoy physical disc copies, so this would have disadvantaged you, but this isn't about you or me, this is about innovation and moving the industry forward!
But instead, Microsoft decided to insist that digital was the future, that the Cloud was the future, and discs were there just out of some nostalgic optional generosity. But that wasn't it; Microsoft would never have willingly ceded the physical media market to Sony or Nintendo, not in a billion years, because that slice of the market is still sizable.
And therein lies the rub. Microsoft wasn't Ahead Of Its Time, it was trying to MAKE the Time come faster. If they succeeded in making digital media more appealing to a larger market, then more and more people would have been inclined to skip the Gamestop altogether and purchase directly from Microsoft. But they did it backwards. Instead of making digital media MORE attractive, say by making it cheaper than physical, they instead just decided to 'nerf' physical media by attaching to it the same restrictions as digital, and then touting a Family Share program that was supposed to be better.
And even this Family Share program has some doubts, simply because Microsoft avoided the press like the plague, and never gave us an opportunity to ask some hard questions that could have made it a lot more solid, and potentially appealing. Examples;
"Would I be able to play any of the DLC my friend bought, or just the core game?"
"How about multiplayer, can I access that?"
"Are Publishers able to opt-out of this program, or is every company that signs on required to make all their games available with Family Share?"
"Does this apply to indie titles, or only Triple-A games?"
And so on. The most information we heard about Family Share came after they CANCELLED it, and it's still got gaping holes left unanswered. Now, if they'd only stuck it to digital media, I agree, it would have been better, but this wasn't about making digital media better. This was about prying people away from discs.
As for the check-in, the problem wasn't that it was there, the problem was that there was no CHOICE. I personally don't need to share games with random people- anyone I game with, we game together anyway, therefore need our own copies- and so this perk wouldn't have outweighed a requirement that would have made the console useless for a long trip to the cabin with friends. No Internet, but hark! Electricity! So PS4 won in my book, hands-down, even though I have excellent Internet at home. If Microsoft had made it an opt-in feature, (one you weren't allowed to opt-out of afterwards, even, or with restrictions on it,) giving you a choice on the check-in and the goodies it apparently required, then it might have been taken with a little less hostility.
But instead, it was 'Our Way Or The Highway.' So more than a few of us just chirped 'Highway It Is, Then!'
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Kinect 2.0
Actually, it has been well-established that it can be 'completely turned off.' But the one thing that hasn't been established, to my knowledge, is why it has to remain connected in the first place. The 'It encourages developers' excuse doesn't work, because I'm not talking about having to BUY it with the console, I'm talking about requiring a physical connection, every minute you play, regardless of whether you've turned it off. Why? The closest answer I have found, which is more a rumor, is 'They installed the controller's receptors in the Kinect.' In which case... WHY? Why design it like that?
Bottom line is, the requirement could just be an example of shoddy design on Microsoft's part- and, I'm sorry, if there aren't any nefarious purposes, then it IS shoddy design to brick the system if the Kinect isn't connected- but Microsoft has not been straightforward as to why the camera must be connected. And in the absence of fact, what else can arise but rumor and speculation?
As for why it got out of hand... well... PRISM much? The timing of Snowden's revelations were devastating, because even as Microsoft was telling us 'We would never release your personal information without a warrant!' there came news of a government program that allowed the release of personal information without a warrant, in which Microsoft was a part, among many others. The added revelation that it applied only to non-American citizens has given the U.S. the image of a great big bully on the international stage, and has made the Xbox One's chances in the wider world market significantly smaller.
What is funny about it is I was around when PRISM was still just leaked documents, before the government actually confirmed the program's existence. The Xbox One defenders just laughed and laughed and called those talking about it Tinfoil Hat people... and when news came out that it was REAL, that the tinfoil hat people were RIGHT? "....Pffft, I don't care if I get spied on! Why should I worry?" Not so much as a '...sorry, man, you were right,' they just switched defensive tactics.
If Microsoft wants to be trusted, they need to take steps that aren't just TELLING us we can trust them. Because recent events have already proven we can't take their word for much, and even if there's a tiny chance the camera would be used as some sort of surveillance tool... well... plenty of people wouldn't need to be certain, they might just decide not to take the chance.
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The games are entirely subjective, so Imma not bother. x3
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Anyway! tl;dr. You of course have the right to make your purchase decision as you see fit, according to what you believe best suits your personal needs. But the mistake here seems to be that you've decided those who oppose it are wrong to do so, or perhaps wrong for voicing it; but how are you any better, in writing this thread? To put it another way... would it be wrong for me to tell you to shut up and stop supporting the system?
On another note, methinks you're slightly overplaying just how 'innovative' Microsoft was trying to be. When it came to changes that actually benefited the game development industry, as opposed to major publishers, they've been steadily one step behind everyone else.
I fully agree with the OP.
Get off the hate train.
Join me on the apathy train of not giving a shit about the XBone. You get all the benefits of the hate train, like not spending money on a crappy console, without any of the downsides, like increased blood pressure.
It's a much better place to be.
Hurry up! Because the apathy train is departing, since we don't really care to be in this thread anyway.
Get off the hate train.
Join me on the apathy train of not giving a shit about the XBone. You get all the benefits of the hate train, like not spending money on a crappy console, without any of the downsides, like increased blood pressure.
It's a much better place to be.
Hurry up! Because the apathy train is departing, since we don't really care to be in this thread anyway.
I'm still solidly in the 'not buying an Xbone' camp, although I wouldn't say I hate it at this point. There are still many things wrong with the system that the PS4 appears to be avoiding, such as:
1. Mandatory Kinect. I don't believe Microsoft will spy on me with the Kinect, although with the NSA stuff that came out I can't blame people for being suspicious. I just don't want to pay $100 more for a less powerful system because of a piece of hardware that I won't use.
2. Xbox Live Gold. I'm still a little bitter about Sony putting multiplayer behind PS Plus, but at least they aren't putting free to play games or media services behind it. I shouldn't have to pay more to access Netflix on my Xbox when I can watch it for no additional charge on any other device.
3. Ads. The Xbox 360 has a ton of ads, which is bullshit for a system with so much behind a subscription. The Xbone is continuing this practice, and it is still bullshit. Now, Sony could add in ads in the PS4, so I'm not immediately giving it a free pass, but they also haven't said the system was built from the ground up with advertising in mind.
4. The exclusives. In my opinion, the exclusives shown are either look like soulless paint by numbers games (Dead Rising 3, Ryse: Son of Rome, Forza Motorsport 5), games that look cool but could very easily suck (Project Spark, Killer Instinct [due to the developer behind it]), Kinect games (Kinect Sports Rivals, Zumba Party Fitness, Rabids Invasion), or games that we just don't know much about (D4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo Sequel). In fairness, I don't think the PS4 lineup is much better, but since it's $100 cheaper it can rely more on the multi-platform releases.
Edit: Unlike a lot of people, I don't believe Microsoft will reverse their policies back later down the line. If that happened I would guarantee there would be lawsuits, ones that Microsoft would loose. In addition, the PR blow would be even worse then if they had those policies in there to begin with. Now for the Xbox after the Xbone, well, we'll have to wait and see.
1. Mandatory Kinect. I don't believe Microsoft will spy on me with the Kinect, although with the NSA stuff that came out I can't blame people for being suspicious. I just don't want to pay $100 more for a less powerful system because of a piece of hardware that I won't use.
2. Xbox Live Gold. I'm still a little bitter about Sony putting multiplayer behind PS Plus, but at least they aren't putting free to play games or media services behind it. I shouldn't have to pay more to access Netflix on my Xbox when I can watch it for no additional charge on any other device.
3. Ads. The Xbox 360 has a ton of ads, which is bullshit for a system with so much behind a subscription. The Xbone is continuing this practice, and it is still bullshit. Now, Sony could add in ads in the PS4, so I'm not immediately giving it a free pass, but they also haven't said the system was built from the ground up with advertising in mind.
4. The exclusives. In my opinion, the exclusives shown are either look like soulless paint by numbers games (Dead Rising 3, Ryse: Son of Rome, Forza Motorsport 5), games that look cool but could very easily suck (Project Spark, Killer Instinct [due to the developer behind it]), Kinect games (Kinect Sports Rivals, Zumba Party Fitness, Rabids Invasion), or games that we just don't know much about (D4, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo Sequel). In fairness, I don't think the PS4 lineup is much better, but since it's $100 cheaper it can rely more on the multi-platform releases.
Edit: Unlike a lot of people, I don't believe Microsoft will reverse their policies back later down the line. If that happened I would guarantee there would be lawsuits, ones that Microsoft would loose. In addition, the PR blow would be even worse then if they had those policies in there to begin with. Now for the Xbox after the Xbone, well, we'll have to wait and see.
When you have to specify "Not an xbox fanboy" this is normally a good sign that you are, indeed, a fanboy.
Otherwise excuse the retarded DRM (And that's what it is) all you want, but your little rant isn't going to stop me from buying anything that isn't the Xbone and hoping deep down that it fails hard.
Otherwise excuse the retarded DRM (And that's what it is) all you want, but your little rant isn't going to stop me from buying anything that isn't the Xbone and hoping deep down that it fails hard.
tl;dr
A hate train would imply that Microsoft didn't do anything to deserve the bile and criticism they received. While I doubt they sat behind their desks twirling their mustaches, yes even the women, monologuing about how they're going to get those nasty consumers and their little dogs too, they still showed that they're out to make a product that benefits publishers over consumers.
The Xbone is still a pretty crappy console, in my opinion, so I'll continue to criticize it and not plan on buying it.
A hate train would imply that Microsoft didn't do anything to deserve the bile and criticism they received. While I doubt they sat behind their desks twirling their mustaches, yes even the women, monologuing about how they're going to get those nasty consumers and their little dogs too, they still showed that they're out to make a product that benefits publishers over consumers.
The Xbone is still a pretty crappy console, in my opinion, so I'll continue to criticize it and not plan on buying it.
I don't trust them, to me, they showed their true colors and it's something I won't forget anytime soon. They were also saying F^%$ YOU to people in countries like mine where the net isn't the best, and is quite expensive.
They're in damage control mode now, and throwing free* games at us with games for gold, like Crackdown, which was released in 2006 isn't winning me over. Anyone who wanted those old games they have been giving away, would already have them, plus each game is like an 8 gig download, so it's not something a lot of people can just casually grab.
I love my Xbox 360, was the first of the three this gen that I got, but the Xbox 1, I won't be touching that, not with a ten foot pole.
The DRM restrictions never made sense, to someone with spotty net like me, it's a deal breaker. Why are you wasting your time trying to convert people you refer to as "haters" when they have already made their mind up. Never mind that a lot of these "haters" had legitimate reasons to dislike the machine after E3.
Just buy what you're going to buy, there's no need to justify it to anyone else but yourself.
They're in damage control mode now, and throwing free* games at us with games for gold, like Crackdown, which was released in 2006 isn't winning me over. Anyone who wanted those old games they have been giving away, would already have them, plus each game is like an 8 gig download, so it's not something a lot of people can just casually grab.
I love my Xbox 360, was the first of the three this gen that I got, but the Xbox 1, I won't be touching that, not with a ten foot pole.
The DRM restrictions never made sense, to someone with spotty net like me, it's a deal breaker. Why are you wasting your time trying to convert people you refer to as "haters" when they have already made their mind up. Never mind that a lot of these "haters" had legitimate reasons to dislike the machine after E3.
Just buy what you're going to buy, there's no need to justify it to anyone else but yourself.
Day one. As in, the first day out of at least 5 years of video games. I'm glad you are psyched by those games, Dead Rising is a good series, true. However, what about the long run? All of the games mentioned are just some of the first year games. Who knows what will come out later? I hardly think that the number of games you can buy when a console first comes out should factor into your decision when it will last a long, long time.Zelgon said:
I'm not going to forgive my rapist just because he says sorry. /hyperbole
Seriously, Microsoft tried to pull a lot of shit, and they didn't relent because they thought we were right, they did it because they were scared about losing sales. There is no doubt in my mind they are currently regrouping and planning a way they can sneak the DRM back in further down the road; disguised as one of those 'features' they love talking about so much.
I haven't had faith in Microsoft for a long time --having watched them systematically destroy all their properties, (MSN, Hotmail, Office, Windows in general...fucking hell, they've even broken MSPaint and Image Viewer!)-- but I have stuck with most of those products because I have no real alternatives.
With the Xbone, I do have alternatives. Several. So I will not be purchasing an Xbone, and I will not be giving Microsoft any more of my gaming custom.
It's that simple.
Seriously, Microsoft tried to pull a lot of shit, and they didn't relent because they thought we were right, they did it because they were scared about losing sales. There is no doubt in my mind they are currently regrouping and planning a way they can sneak the DRM back in further down the road; disguised as one of those 'features' they love talking about so much.
I haven't had faith in Microsoft for a long time --having watched them systematically destroy all their properties, (MSN, Hotmail, Office, Windows in general...fucking hell, they've even broken MSPaint and Image Viewer!)-- but I have stuck with most of those products because I have no real alternatives.
With the Xbone, I do have alternatives. Several. So I will not be purchasing an Xbone, and I will not be giving Microsoft any more of my gaming custom.
It's that simple.
I do not like the direction Microsoft is going plain and simple, and it's not just with the Xbox it's with everything.
There are two ultimate future of gaming possibilities.
1. Is Simulation, basically the holodeck from Star Trek, people actually play out their games themselves in a virtual environment that responds to their body and actions.
2. Is Mental Control, basically you plug your mind into the game and then play it. Sort of like games now except the player character will literally acts how the player thinks.
Personally I want Option 2.
Microsoft is heading for Option 1 and they are doing it with everything. Touch screen, smartglass, voice control, motion capture and control they are putting these as mandatory into everything. It only leads down one path.
It is not a path I want to go down.
I agree Simulation would be a good path for certain things, but not for long term gaming.
There are two ultimate future of gaming possibilities.
1. Is Simulation, basically the holodeck from Star Trek, people actually play out their games themselves in a virtual environment that responds to their body and actions.
2. Is Mental Control, basically you plug your mind into the game and then play it. Sort of like games now except the player character will literally acts how the player thinks.
Personally I want Option 2.
Microsoft is heading for Option 1 and they are doing it with everything. Touch screen, smartglass, voice control, motion capture and control they are putting these as mandatory into everything. It only leads down one path.
It is not a path I want to go down.
I agree Simulation would be a good path for certain things, but not for long term gaming.
Sorry my friend, but that's just plain wrong.Zelgon said:
You do realize that you're contradicting yourself with your argument of "DRM is a necessity because the companies are constantly battling piracy" then go on to explain how piracy works by ripping off other people's games and just not taking your console online and the assertion that the Family Sharing Program would allow people to have 100% complete unrestricted access to the games, right? Don't you see how that's essentially allowing 10 people on everyone's friends list to "legally pirate" those games? If they can play them any time they want for however long they want, it's just the same as them owning the game without having to pay for it.......how is that not the same as what pirates do? Do you honestly think MS (and game companies, for that matter) would be perfectly fine with a system that promotes millions of players not having to pay for games?
When it's mentioned that the Family Sharing Program would allow unrestricted access to the full version of the game, it was for a limited time only before they'd be prompted to buy the game for themselves. While a demo will keep certain features locked out, the Family Sharing would indeed allow complete access to the full game: meaning there would be no features locked out. MS itself said that they were still kicking around ideas on how it would work, most likely giving those who were "borrowing" the game 45 minutes to an hour to play the game before being prompted to buy it (the source being an article on this website that I've searched for 3 times and can't seem to find otherwise I'd link it).
And when you think about it, unless they want 10 people on everyone's friends list getting free access to games they haven't bought for themselves, that's the only way it COULD work: let them play it for a while before telling them to buy it for themselves.
With regards to DRM:
Everyone has known about and hated the restrictions of DRM since long before the Xbox One declared that it would be using it, so people hating the Xbox One for using it shouldn't come as any surprise. It's not an argument you're going to win. Everyone knows it's about anti-piracy, but everyone also knows that means your ability to play the games you bought and paid for is dependent entirely upon your internet connection and the stability of the servers. If the servers go down: you're boned. Your internet connection goes down: you're boned. One needs only look at the disasters that were SimCity and Diablo III to see why all the hate for it is well-deserved. Just saying it's a necessary evil isn't going to change anyone's hearts on that matter.
With regards to the Kinect:
Beyond the fact that it's just plain creepy, the fact remains that it was a failed product when MS first tried it on the 360. Did Sony come out and say "The Playstation Move controllers are now the mandatory controllers for the PS4!"? Nope. They learned their lesson: motion capture just isn't popular. No need to stuff it down people's throats. MS, on the other hand, said "Screw consumer's opinion on the matter, we're going to charge and extra $100 and force this thing "no one"(exaggerating) asked for onto EVERYONE!" The reason developers didn't make games for the Kinect was because relatively few people bought the thing, so there was no point in investing in it. Why did only a relative few people buy it? Because the majority of people didn't want it. Shipping it with every Xbox One isn't going to change the fact that many people don't want to dance around like a Loony Toon in their living rooms to play a game. And once again you contradict yourself. Sure, people can completely turn it off if they want to, but if more games are developed with Kinect features shoehorned in, they'll have to keep it turned on. And then we're right back to all the audio/visual/biometric spying that creeped people out about it in the first place.
With regards to the games coming out at launch:
Well what games are good and what games aren't is entirely opinion based. Though I will say that quantity does not equate to quality.
In summation: I'm not an MS hater, I've just looked at what they brought to the table and said "Nope, not interested". No amount of spin from you or MS is going to change the fact that I just don't want an Xbox One. I'm not particularly interested in a PS4, for that matter, either...so at the moment it looks like I'll likely be signing up for the genetic enhancements needed to join the PC Master Race when all is said and done.
WOW! DRM isn't a problem for you? That's good it really is congratulations on that, but guess what? There's A LOT of people (like me) whose internet connection is about as stable as my happy, sad, angry, bipolar ass during Baclofen withdrawals (no seriously look that shit up). We should not stop hating on the XBOX ONE, it should always be a black mark against the company who tried to put publishers above consumers. We should remind Microsoft every chance we get of its colossal fuck up as a warning to all others. Oh and $100 not breaking the bank? Are you shitting me!? My jaw is on the floor at the insulting audacity of that claim. Hell if it weren't for a single windfall and steam, GOG, and used games I wouldn't be gaming. And yes the Steam DRM is infuriating, but at least there's an offline mode.
That always rides me. The mentality that it's okay for you, so everyone else should shut up.shrekfan246 said:
Additionally, no explanation from Microsoft was going to make this appealing to the populace. I can't believe anyone would buy that.
Just thought I'd point out that calling the XBox One the "XBone" isn't hating any more than calling the Super Nintendo Entertainment System the "SNES" or calling the Playstation the "PSX". It's just an abbreviation. Now calling it the "180" is perhaps hating a bit.Evonisia said:
Anyway, my only disapproval for the console as it stands is the mandatory inclusion of the Kinect. That said, the console that was presented at E3 was an abomination, and Microsoft's initial response to the backlash was enough that I don't trust them much right now. Now maybe Don Mattrick is just a douche, and maybe his departure from the company is a positive sign, but for now I am firmly entrenched in wary mode.
Microsoft has to earn back that trust.
I went to half a dozen different retailers about a month ago, with the intent to fully pay off a PS4 pre-order, 3 games and buy a PS Vita with Persona 4 Golden. Everyone said they were sold out, and no more consoles would be available until 2014.
So I ordered an Xbox One instead.
It was always a split decision about what to buy. All the PS4 games I wanted were 3rd party anyway. The only first party game I wanted was Infamous (but even then, I absolutely loved the first one, but disliked the second). Xbox has TitanFall as well. Yes, my PC is more than capable of playing TitanFall, but sometimes I want to play a game hooked into the surround sound, on a massive TV in my reclining sofa chair.
Also.. lol at the poster above me railing on DRM, but then says that Steam is one reason he games. Irony much?
So I ordered an Xbox One instead.
It was always a split decision about what to buy. All the PS4 games I wanted were 3rd party anyway. The only first party game I wanted was Infamous (but even then, I absolutely loved the first one, but disliked the second). Xbox has TitanFall as well. Yes, my PC is more than capable of playing TitanFall, but sometimes I want to play a game hooked into the surround sound, on a massive TV in my reclining sofa chair.
Also.. lol at the poster above me railing on DRM, but then says that Steam is one reason he games. Irony much?