Let's Play Fallout: New Vegas [The Servant]

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liamlemon7 said:
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You forgot to repair the generator in Sloan. (Though it does need a certain Repair skill, I forget how much.) It gives a small amount of NCR fame, just like mending Snuffle's leg.

About the Powder Gangers; how do they know that you're an enemy?
I mean, none of the attackers survived the Goodsprings shootout, and made it back to the NCRCF or any of their camps, to report in.
How do they know we aren't a friend to them?
Even If you Help Cobb, The Powder Gangers you see at the camps pretty much attack you and everyone who isn't a Powder Ganger on sight, it's what they do to get supplies and stuff.To them everyone is a target. So until they are told by the other Powder Gangers at the NCRCF that you are a friend, to the ones at the camps you are a target just like everyone else.
They won't attack you if you help out the group at the prison. Though having a high rep with the Powder Gangers is hardly rewarding. They're a bunch of assholes, they don't give you good loot, and aligning with them pits you against the NCR, who are pretty tough early in the game. Plus, Powder Gangers are just above Mole Rats as the least threatening enemy in the game. It's not even good for the later quest dealing with the Gangers in the Vault, since they're a different faction.
 

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DustyDrB said:
liamlemon7 said:
TopazFusion said:
AlternatePFG said:
You forgot to repair the generator in Sloan. (Though it does need a certain Repair skill, I forget how much.) It gives a small amount of NCR fame, just like mending Snuffle's leg.

About the Powder Gangers; how do they know that you're an enemy?
I mean, none of the attackers survived the Goodsprings shootout, and made it back to the NCRCF or any of their camps, to report in.
How do they know we aren't a friend to them?
Even If you Help Cobb, The Powder Gangers you see at the camps pretty much attack you and everyone who isn't a Powder Ganger on sight, it's what they do to get supplies and stuff.To them everyone is a target. So until they are told by the other Powder Gangers at the NCRCF that you are a friend, to the ones at the camps you are a target just like everyone else.
They won't attack you if you help out the group at the prison. Though having a high rep with the Powder Gangers is hardly rewarding. They're a bunch of assholes, they don't give you good loot, and aligning with them pits you against the NCR, who are pretty tough early in the game. Plus, Powder Gangers are just above Mole Rats as the least threatening enemy in the game. It's not even good for the later quest dealing with the Gangers in the Vault, since they're a different faction.
I think you can help out The Powder Gangers without pissing off any other factions. Side with Goodsprings in the Ghost Town Gunfight quest but don't shoot any Powder Gangers. Go to the prison and help them out and when it comes time to pick between them and the NCR I think you can choose either side and again just not shoot anyone so you don't lose reputation.
 

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If you don't kill any of the powder gangers in Ghost Town Gunfight, then you'll just be shunned, so they won't attack you, if you throw on some powder ganger stuff, you can even go to the NCRCF and do the quests there without getting attacked.
 

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[HEADING=1]Toothpicks and Butter Knives[/HEADING]​
So, going north through Sloan is pretty much a no go, so we head back towards the split in the road and go the other direction. Hopefully, we will get further this way. It's quite the detour, I mean if we somehow could get past those invisible walls mountains to the north, we could get to Vegas in no time at all.

Ah well, I'm sure it won't take us that long to get there.


We can see Primm already vaguely in the distance. All that is really noticeable at this point is the rollercoaster.


More Powder Gangers. I would be complaining, but they are extremely easy caps/ammo, so I'll let it go.


You can use this campfire like the one in the survival tutorial with Sunny. We won't be using survival much at all this playthrough, but eventually we'll get to it.


Come on, it's not stealing when they're dead!

...

Okay, that would sound bad out of context. They're Powder Gangers though, they're kind of assholes anyway.

The way the game gives karma is less fucked than Fallout 3, but it has its moments. Less karma given through more ambiguous choices throughout the plotline, but there are some hostile NPC's that attack you on sight that will give you good karma for killing them. So trying to maintain an evil karma can be a pain in the ass.

Of course, karma isn't quite as important as it is in Fallout 3. Really, all it changes is the flavor of ending you get in the epilogue.


Just saying it in advance, I love the Vikki and Vance Casino. The story of Vikki and Vance is quite hilarious, in my opinion. More on that later.


Obviously we aren't getting anywhere near Los Angeles (Which is currently the Boneyard from Fallout 1, it's mentioned briefly in New Vegas), but we will be visiting Nipton a bit later on.


That rollercoaster better be functioning.


This will probably be your first encounter with the NCR in New Vegas.


This trooper warns us of the Powder Gangers currently besieging Primm. I fail to see the crisis here. They're Powder Gangers, not fucking Super Mutants.


This half of Primm is mostly rubble and a NCR camp.


This is the NCR camp. Pretty... unimpressive.


There is a grand total of like three people at the camp anyway.


"What are you doing here?"

"We were sent out here to hold back the tide of convicts from the correctional facility. As you can probably tell, we aren't doing the kind of job we could be doing."

No, you're not considering the convicts have besieged the town that's literally feet away from where you are right now.

"What's the problem with your mission?"

"The mission isn't a problem. The problem is with supplies. The convicts are better armed and organized than our intel initially suggested."

They're really not well armed at all. Their guns are kind of shit and their armor is pretty subpar too.

I guess they assumed they were just armed with toothpicks and maybe the rare butterknife.

"I'm trying to get some reinforcements here, maybe some guns with some firepower, but... shit... things are just going slow."

We can help them out, but it's rather unintuitive. We would have to have helped out the Powder Gangers in Goodsprings (Or just ignore the sidequest altogether) and then do their questline. At the end of the questline we would betray the Powder Gangers to the NCR, then we would get to storm the prison. We can't do that now, however.

Definitely will show it off on a later playthrough though.

"Tell me about the correctional facility."

"Most people just call it NCRCF. That's NCR Correctional Facility. A little bit ago the convicts there staged a coup, killed the guards that weren't able to escape, and have been ransacking the area since then."

"Do you have any information on the convicts?"

"Not much. They've taken to calling themselves Powder Gangers. Mostly because they've taken to using the explosives meant to clear boulders as weapons. They got organized faster than I would have thought, most of them at least. Thankfully the small group in town here seem to have split off from the main force, so they aren't getting anything in the way of support."

The small group in town is three people guarding the outside. It's really silly that the people of Primm plus the NCR could not at least take the town back by themselves.

Welp, let's go see what's up in town.


It's across this bridge. However, the NCR doesn't warn us that there are mines on it, so we have to disarm them ourselves.


There really is no reason to go sneaking into the town, as the Powder Gangers are pathetic anyways, but it's a habit of mine.


There are some shacks on the side that are the homes of the Deputy and the Sheriff. There is not much of interest in the Deputy's house, but let's check out the Sheriff's.



As soon as you walk inside you'll probably hear the sound that happens when a limb explodes or someone is gibbed...


The sheriff and his wife were killed by the Powder Gangers, but what is interesting is that for some reason the engine doesn't have them gibbed in advance, so it happens as soon as you walk through the door.

There is a Cowboy Repeater under that bed. It's nearly broken, but we take it anyway. It may be useful in the future, even if that just means bashing a ghoul in the face with it or something.


They have a reloading bench in here as well.


Well, fuck stealth.


The 9mm pistol is fairly useful at this point in the game. I'm not using the Weathered 10mm pistol as I'm saving up the ammo and the gun is pretty powerful anyway.



This Powder Ganger tried to flee into the Mojave Express building, but we gun him down before he gets inside.


There is some ammo and a skill magazine up here.


All of the people of Primm are holed up in the Vikki and Vance casino. This is Johnson Nash, he runs the Mojave Express and he is probably the most important NPC in the town.

"Who are you?"

"Johnson Nash's my name. Husband to Ruby Nash. Lived in Primm going on eight years now, thick and thin. I'm a trader primarily, for what it's worth with things like they are. I also run the local Mojave Express outpost."

Right now, that doesn't mean anything to us but the Courier knows about it, obviously.

"I'm a courirer with the Mojave Express."

"Well, I don't got any work right now, sorry to say."

"I lost a package I was supposed to deliver."

"I'll tell you whatever I can. Do you have a delivery order you can show me?"

"What can you tell me about this job?"

This is where things get interesting.

"Oh, so you're talking about one of them packages. That job had strange written all over it."

So already we know there wasn't anything ordinary about the package we were running.

"But we couldn't turn down the caps."

"What was strange about it?"

"That cowboy robot had us hire six couriers."

So Victor isn't as innocuous as was first let on...

"Each was carrying something a little different. A pair of dice, a chess piece, that kind of stuff. Last word I had from the office, it looked like payment had been received for the other five jobs. Guess it was just your chip that didn't make it. First deadbeat we hired to do the job canceled. Hope a storm from the Divide skins him alive. Well, that's where you came in."

What seemed to be a few incidental lines of dialogue turned into an entire DLC.

"He canceled?"

"Yeah, got this look when he saw you next down on the Courier list. His expression turned right around, asked me if your name was for real. I said, sure as lack of rain, you were still kicking. Then he turned down the job, just like that, I asked if he was sure, it was good money. No, let "Courier Six" carry the package, that's what he said - like the Mojave'd sort you out or something. Then he just up and walked out."

"Do you know who he was? Where he went?"

"No idea. Sounds like you two had a history for him to act like that. And turn down the money, too. Hope he didn't see any trouble in that package of yours. Maybe he thought your name was bad luck. Not for me to say."

Hrm, sounds like quite the character. I wonder if we will meet this person later in our travels.

"Cowboy robot? You mean the one over there?"

Apparently there is another cowboy robot, Primm Slim. Can't see him right now, he's in the middle of the casino.

"Nope. Different fella. Bigger. Had himself a face on a screen, and he talked more like you or me."

Yup, it's Victor. I don't believe we can go back to Goodsprings and talk to him about it, as he has probably moved on by now.

Not that that is the last we will see of Victor. Far from it.

"Some men stole my package. A man in a checkered suit and some thugs. Did they pass this way?"

"Well, now that you mention it, a few nights back one of the townies was out scavenging for supplies. He said he saw a fella with a daisy suit come through with some of them Great Khan misfits. They was talking about a chip."

"One of those men shot me. I need to know the best way to get to them."

You know, now that I think about it, this seems a bit ill-advised. Wouldn't you want to avoid people who shoot at you?

"Well for that your best bet is going to be talking to Deputy Beagle. Since they came to town he was keeping a good bit of notes on them, and he was slinking around Bison Steve when your pretty-boy frined came through. He may have heard where they were going."


Well, let's go save the Deputy.


Here is a better look at the Vikki and Vance Casino. It isn't open right now, and actually getting it open is rather confusing. Like I said before, I like the backstory behind the casino, but we can get to that after the casino offically opens.


Now we're entering the Bison Steve Casino, which is connected to the rollercoaster. The Powder Gangers are holed up inside there, let's take care of them.


Place is kind of run down, I see why they don't use it anymore.


Like all the other Powder Gangers, these guys go down without any difficulty.



The lobby is alright though.


Let's sneak through this maintenace door so that we avoid fighting the Powder Gangers head on.


Of course, we're not extremely sneaky, so they'll notice us anyways. Oh well.


Even before we were in their line of sight, they attacked us.




I use VATS a lot less in this game for two reasons. The first being that there are ironsights now, so accurately aiming isn't too difficult. Second, you are no longer practically invinicible during VATS. The 90% VATS damage resistance is gone, meaning that you're vulernable while using it. Not saying that it can't be hideously overpowered in this game as well, but much less so than Fallout 3.



There is only two Powder Gangers left in the main room. These Powder Gangers actually heard the gunshots and came over here to fight us, which is unusual in this game. I mean, the AI is still terrible, but that was a nice little trick.


Even though I complain about how much the Varmint Rifle sucks (Less so modded, but still rather subpar) the Powder Gangers go down in like 2 or 3 hits from it depending on where you hit them.


This is the leader of this particular group of Powder Gangers. He has an Incinerator, and he is rather dangerous. However, I switch to the Weathered 10mm Pistol and take him down quite easily.


It's pretty damn strong, I have to say.



Oooh, Sunset Sarsaparilla. Wait, wasn't there a deputy we had to save?


Oh, there you are. Right where I left you.


This is Deputy Beagle. He is kind of a prick.

"You must be Deputy Beagle."

"Why, yes I am. It's a pleasure to meet you. I'm in a bit of a predicament here. I'd be most appreciative if you'd set me free."

"I hear you may have information on some Khans that came through here with a guy in a checkered suit."

"Indeed I do good sir, and I would be thrilled to share that information with you as soon as I am released from captivity."

"I'll set you free now."

"Oh that's just marvelous. I think I'll be making my way outisde now. The air's a little close in here."

"Sure, run away. You don't look like you'd be much help."

He really isn't, he dies pretty much instantly.

"Then I'll defer to your superior appraisal of character and prowess in contests of arms and see you outside!"'

While we cleared out the bottom floor of the hotel, there are still more enemies in the upper levels.


There are still Nuka-Cola machines of course. I don't believe they randomly give Quantums anymore, however.


There are a lot of Powder Gangers up here, but as was shown before, Powder Gangers aren't very smart. They just kind of run at you, guns blazing, right into your line of fire.


Oh look, medical supplies. I'll take that-


Cut that out! Can't you see I'm trying to steal stimpaks over here?


Dynamite is like a weaker frag grenade. We don't have a very good explosives skill, but it should prove useful anyways.



The dynamite hardly hurts them, so let's finish the job.




Half the time I miss the possibel screen caps in which someone gets gibbed by the Single Shotgun, because the reloading animation blocks out the view.


You notice how all the Powder Gangers decided to fight me in this room. I think the large majority of Powder Gangers in this area came in here to fight me, and that certainly was not a bright idea.


Just let the bodies pile up.


In the middle of all that, we level up.


Put the obligatory points into Lockpick (Forgot to mention that there are two hard locks earlier in the Bison Steve Hotel. We'll come back for the stuff there later) and some points into Guns.


The more skill points, the better.


Oh yeah, we can repair this elevator too. Not really much of a point.



This is what I was talking about earlier, the gun kind of gets in the way...


Most of the rooms are boarded up.


Past a very easy locked door (You can get a key off a Powder Ganger as well) is this room.


There is still some enviromental storytelling in this game, but not as much as Fallout 3 had. To compensate for that, the actual story and characters are much better than Fallout 3's.

I know that isn't saying much.


Another Powder Ganger comes wandering into that room.



There are still a couple Powder Gangers left outside. They're on the rollercoaster, which sadly, is non functioning.


Well, at least we get to walk on it.


You know, it probably wasn't a smart idea for this guy to hang out on the rollercoaster. You don't have any cover, and it's not like you can just jump off the tracks without hurting yourself on the ground.



We cripple his leg, but suddenly turns right around and legs it in the other direction.


He doesn't get far of course.


Huh, I've never climbed this hill on the rollercoaster before.


Quite pretty up here.


I was too distracted by the scenery to notice the missing section of track ahead and...



Whoops. Well, let's go back to the Vikki and Vance Casino and chat with the Deputy now that the Powder Ganger problem is sorted.



Here he is.


Oh fuck you.

"Breaking myself out of a hostage situation - not to diminish your role in it, of course - but it was quite thrilling. Problem is, there's still no law in Primm. What're we to do the next time ruffians menace us and hold us hostage?"

"What are you talking about? You're the sheriff now!"

"Oh no! I'm just the deputy. And I can't be a deputy without a sheriff. It's called chain of command."

Erm, I don't think you get how this works. Though, putting this guy in charge of the safety of the town is probably not a very smart idea in retrospect.

"What are the qualifications for a Sheriff?"

No, we can't become sheriff. This isn't like Skyrim where you become leader of a faction just after doing a few chores for them. (Hyperbole)

"It should be someone brave like you, but more of a homebody. Someone who'll settle down and watch over us. I heard the Powder Gangers talking about someone in the prison named Meyers who has some experience as a sheriff. He may be a good choice."

We'll we're not getting into the prison without being shot at, so let's think of the alternative.

"Also, with the NCR so close by, you may be able to get them to take over the town. Not sure why they haven't helped out already."

Guess we're going with getting shot at by convicts.

"I'll help bring law and order back to Primm."

The sidequests in this game usually flow much better than they do in Fallout 3. There is an actual logical reason to do them and they usually don't feel completely random.

"You will? That's just marvelous! I'll start thinking up questions for the interview! The sheriff that was incarcerated up at NCRCF may be a good choice."

There is really no reason not to go with the sheriff at NCRCF, unless you're doing a pro-NCR run or roleplaying. You get the best ending for Primm with him and you get a discount at Nash's store.

"You also may be able to convince that NCR guy across the road to take the town under his wing, although martial law doesn't sound so fun."

Well, looks like we're going to have to find the town a sheriff. I know we can get the info on the people who shot us regardless of helping him or not, but there are some benefits to doing this sidequest after all.
 

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Yay! I had stopped checking the Escapist for a while and guess what? This LP started back up.
 

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Or you could make the robot sheriff.
it'll be a fitting sign of things to come.

Though it is kind of silly I admit.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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Huh, I tend to always choose Primm Slim as the new sheriff.

His ending seems like the best one to me.
He's that robot, right?

By the way, I found a helpful resource that you might like
link [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas]

It contains a list of New Vegas firearms and their real-life counterpart. As I thought, the Silenced .22 is based off the Ruger 22/45, which is one of my favorite guns.
 

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I usually go with Primm Slim as sheriff but my favourite outcome was in my first playthrough. I didn't know you could disarm mines so I took a long way round into town so I didn't blow them up. I saved the deputy, started the sheriff quest and got the NCR to take over. I was quite happy with myself until I saw the Primm residents walking over the bridge towards the NCR camp. I almost felt bad for laughing when they blew to smithereens. Almost.
 

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Gah, I'm off my game. Completely forgot about turning Primm Slim back on. Although, if I remember correctly, it takes a lot of science to bring him on and at this point, we don't have much points in any skills.
 

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AlternatePFG said:
Gah, I'm off my game. Completely forgot about turning Primm Slim back on. Although, if I remember correctly, it takes a lot of science to bring him on and at this point, we don't have much points in any skills.
I think you only need 30 science.

By the way, this was the result of the Bethesda vs Interplay litigation [http://www.bethblog.com/2012/01/09/press-release-fallout-mmo-rights-restored-to-bethesda-softworks-in-interplay-litigation/]. Who'd a thunk it?
 

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TopazFusion said:
xXxJessicaxXx said:
AlternatePFG said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but what is the ui mod you are using?
I googled, but couldn't see one that looked similar.
Here's the link to the UI mod. The OP linked to it two pages back.

OT: I really hate giving Primm over to the NCR. No one in town really likes military rule, it seems. And the robot option is just silly.
So the guy at NCRCF is always my choice too.
Thanks, sorry I was really tired when I was checking this thread out. :p I shouldn't have been so lazy lol.
 

ChupathingyX

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CM156 said:
I think you only need 30 science.

By the way, this was the result of the Bethesda vs Interplay litigation [http://www.bethblog.com/2012/01/09/press-release-fallout-mmo-rights-restored-to-bethesda-softworks-in-interplay-litigation/]. Who'd a thunk it?
I can't really say I'm particulary happy with this whole endeavor, then again I never really supported either side of the case.

Interplay haven't done anything good in a long time and they are not the same Interplay they were years ago. That, and I'm not the biggest fan of Bethesda, to be honest the thing I like most about them is that they allowed Obsidian to make New Vegas.

But, the ending does surprise me because from following this case for a long while it actually seemed like Interplay were winning most of the time and every time Bethesda tried to win they failed.

Oh well, no matter who won it wouldn't have elicited much from me.
 

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ChupathingyX said:
CM156 said:
I think you only need 30 science.

By the way, this was the result of the Bethesda vs Interplay litigation [http://www.bethblog.com/2012/01/09/press-release-fallout-mmo-rights-restored-to-bethesda-softworks-in-interplay-litigation/]. Who'd a thunk it?
I can't really say I'm particulary happy with this whole endeavor, then again I never really supported either side of the case.

Interplay haven't done anything good in a long time and they are not the same Interplay they were years ago. That, and I'm not the biggest fan of Bethesda, to be honest the thing I like most about them is that they allowed Obsidian to make New Vegas.

But, the ending does surprise me because from following this case for a long while it actually seemed like Interplay were winning most of the time and every time Bethesda tried to win they failed.

Oh well, no matter who won it wouldn't have elicited much from me.
Actually, I asked a few of my law school friends about the issue. Their conclusion was that Bethesda would likely win. What Interplay was winning were preventing injunctions, which I would call fairly common. Oh well.
 

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Actually, I asked a few of my law school friends about the issue. Their conclusion was that Bethesda would likely win. What Interplay was winning were preventing injunctions, which I would call fairly common. Oh well.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, I'm not good with this "law language".
 

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CM156 said:
Actually, I asked a few of my law school friends about the issue. Their conclusion was that Bethesda would likely win. What Interplay was winning were preventing injunctions, which I would call fairly common. Oh well.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, I'm not good with this "law language".
Quite alright. Bethesda had asked for an injunction to prevent them from working on the game till the litigation was settled. That's a bit far for such a case as this, so it was denied. If they had won that, it would have only meant that they couldn't work on the game until the case was decided. I think.
 

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CM156 said:
ChupathingyX said:
CM156 said:
Actually, I asked a few of my law school friends about the issue. Their conclusion was that Bethesda would likely win. What Interplay was winning were preventing injunctions, which I would call fairly common. Oh well.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up, I'm not good with this "law language".
Quite alright. Bethesda had asked for an injunction to prevent them from working on the game till the litigation was settled. That's a bit far for such a case as this, so it was denied. If they had won that, it would have only meant that they couldn't work on the game until the case was decided. I think.
Bethesda did probably have the legal right from the start here, but it still bums be out a bit.

Interplay had to cut off its own arm to save their lives when they laid of Black Isle, their critically acclaimed golden boys, and they seemed to just linger in purgatory for a few years after that. Selling the Fallout rights to Bethesda wasn't a bad idea, but it was still a desperate move. Interplay knew they couldn't continue the series, so they passed it to some guys with open world RPG history, only to get a (critically acclaimed) buggy open world RPG with a plot hole ridden narrative that didn't bring back the great dialogue, humor, and player choice people loved the series for.

Then, they couldn't keep up with the MMO Bethesda let them produce, so they lost the rights for good. And now they can't even sell the games they originally produced? Ice cold. I do not think Interplay is long for this world.

Boy, I can sure get wistful over a series that launched when I was teething and just played last year.
 

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Nah, Interplay still holds some rights to some decent game series. They were a huge publisher back in the day, you have to remember. Hell, GoG did a Interplay sale a few months ago, and there were a hell of a lot of games on sale.

Earthworm Jim, MDK and Descent are both games with a fairly devoted cult following and they could probably get a bit of cash from re-releases. Hell, they re-released MDK2 and Earthworm Jim in HD last year and they sold fairly well if I remember correctly. That's also counting sales from GoG, Steam and other distributors, which means they're getting a steady trickle of cash, as a lot of their games are considered classics. Even if they lose Fallout, they still have other things to fall back on.

I think it was smart of them to sell of the Fallout MMO rights in some ways. They were probably losing money in court and Bethesda could have maybe won the lawsuit against them and then they would really be hurting. This lets them get away with a bit of extra money in their pockets, so that they might be able to tackle other projects.

I think they can keep afloat for maybe a few more years, but they need to release new stuff soon. Accoridng to Wikipedia, they're working on sequels for pretty much all their major franchises but it's pretty obvious the company doesn't have enough people to make all the things they're planning.

Not that I have any particular fondness for modern Interplay, but I find it fascinating that they've managed to stay alive (Even in this zombie-like state) for so long.