I'm sad you didn't show off the ghouls. First time I played FONV, I went west of Primm, past the drive in, and ran into some ghouls. I did alright against the feral ghouls and the roamers, but then I found out I aggroed a reaver or two. I died obviously. But I opened the Casino on my second playthrough. Really enjoying the playthrough, though. Never knew about Ghost though, I always just headed on through to Nipton, or sometimes bypassed it entirely.
[HEADING=1]Slightly Less Suicidal Shortcuts[/HEADING]
So, let's say you were speed running the game or something, and wanted to get to New Vegas as fast as possible. How would you go about doing it, with all of the Deathclaws around you and such? Well, there are two good routes to take if you really want to get there and they are the least crazy.
Before we start, I do want to point out that the Cazadore route back from the Suicidal Route update is actually quite possible to get through. If you get past that swarm, you are mostly home free. It's still quite the walk to New Vegas, but you'll definitely get there faster.
So we start out in front of Hiden Valley, a location slightly NE of the Powder Ganger Prison. Yes, you can get to this area an hour into the game.
Hidden Valley will have way more significance later in the game, right now it's little more than a collection of seemingly abandoned bunkers.
Oh look, a Bark Scorpion. They're weak and not much of an issue, but they're kind of like bees. Sure, one bee is just a nuisance, but get a whole swarm of them pissed off and you'll be in for a world of hurt.
There are a lot of scorpions up ahead, we going into an area called Scorpion Gulch, so at least the name is accurate.
I used dynamite on the scorpion. Why?
We have like 30 sticks of it, we have to get rid of them somehow.
That's a Giant Radscorpion. That means it's time to run like hell.
Cue Benny Hill music.
More scorpions down in that pit right there, we have to go through it believe it or not.
More on the left as well.
Oh shit. We can take about 3 or 4 hits from them before dying.
You don't want to fight them at all, stopping at any point in here is a bad idea, they will just swarm you.
Oh, a walkway. It should be safe up there.
Huh. This is a strange place for a grave. I wonder what is behind us?
Shit, keep running.
Once you keep going, you're let out right near HELIOS One. That means you're close to Novac, so you can pretty skip the whole Primm/Nipton nonsense in one go. If you're going to take a shortcut, this is the one to take.
So, what if we took a left at Scorpion Gulch instead of going straight?
Lots of angry giant radscorpions are still chasing us.
So we wound up at Black Mountain. This is one of the bad routes I showed you before, the place is filled with Super Mutants who will kill you extremely quickly.
Not only do we have to deal with the scorpions, but we have to deal with Evolved Centaurs. You remember Centaurs right, those really weird and annoying tentacle monsters that follow super mutants around everywhere. Well, now they come in bigger and nastier forms.
There is a heavily irradiated crater that is filled with more Centaurs, including a unique one by the name of Moe. Why is it named Moe? I have no idea.
Alright, a gate. Gates always lead to nice places, right?
Fuck, we're back in Super Mutant central. Erm, let's turn around now.
So now we're by the satellite towers.
Awesome another gate, let's check-
Actually, that's not a good idea at all.
Fuck it.
So, moral of the story is, don't go left at Scorpion Gulch.
Now here is the second much more dangerous route, if you can believe that. It's meant to be a shortcut, but is still very difficult to get through.
We have to follow the train track, but we come across all these Bighorners. You don't want to piss them off in big groups like this, they'll just charge you over and over.
This is where the traintracks lead. We don't keep following them, as they head south, but we take a left up a steep hill here.
We are already detected despite no monster in sight. Hmmm...
OH FUCK
"STOP SHOOTING ME, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HUG"
I don't know why it's called a blind deathclaw, it seems to be able to spot us from a mile away. In fact, they have a higher perception than normal deathclaws. What the fuck?
Might be a reference to the Deathclaw's weakness from Fallout 1, being shot in the eyes.
Of course, you can't aim for the eyes in these new fangled Fallouts. Nor the groin. A shame, really.
Let's try a different approach.
NOPE (We got killed after that, forgot to get a screen shot of it)
Fuck, even sneaking past it doesn't work. Just run. RUN
Haha, you can't get me down here Deathclaw!
Huh, wonder what's in here...
I stood by the door for about a minute in case the Deathclaw decided to come in.
We take a nap to heal up.
What's that, I can't see it due to the withdrawl effect-
HOLY FUCK THE DEATHCLAW IS IN THE HOUSE
(When capturing these screenshots, I actually screamed when I woke up to have the Deathclaw staring right at me. I swear, I'm not easily scared by games at all, but I was totally not expecting that. 300 or so hours of playtime, and nothing like that has happened before.)
We can still make it!
Great, now there are jackals shooting at us too.
(We died. Again.)
Reloaded an autosave, and this time, the Deathclaw didn't come charging out of the house.
Alright, these guys should be cake.
Alright, so we're just outside of Novac, so this shortcut didn't take us quite as far as the Scorpion Gulch one did. So, here is my recommendation:
Just take the long way around to Vegas. You get more XP, money and rewards for doing so anyways.
So, has anything in this game geniunely scared you? Either something purposefully in the game or some sort of random suprise or bizarre glitch?
[HEADING=1]Slightly Less Suicidal Shortcuts[/HEADING]
So, let's say you were speed running the game or something, and wanted to get to New Vegas as fast as possible. How would you go about doing it, with all of the Deathclaws around you and such? Well, there are two good routes to take if you really want to get there and they are the least crazy.
Before we start, I do want to point out that the Cazadore route back from the Suicidal Route update is actually quite possible to get through. If you get past that swarm, you are mostly home free. It's still quite the walk to New Vegas, but you'll definitely get there faster.
So we start out in front of Hiden Valley, a location slightly NE of the Powder Ganger Prison. Yes, you can get to this area an hour into the game.
Hidden Valley will have way more significance later in the game, right now it's little more than a collection of seemingly abandoned bunkers.
Oh look, a Bark Scorpion. They're weak and not much of an issue, but they're kind of like bees. Sure, one bee is just a nuisance, but get a whole swarm of them pissed off and you'll be in for a world of hurt.
There are a lot of scorpions up ahead, we going into an area called Scorpion Gulch, so at least the name is accurate.
I used dynamite on the scorpion. Why?
We have like 30 sticks of it, we have to get rid of them somehow.
That's a Giant Radscorpion. That means it's time to run like hell.
Cue Benny Hill music.
More scorpions down in that pit right there, we have to go through it believe it or not.
More on the left as well.
Oh shit. We can take about 3 or 4 hits from them before dying.
You don't want to fight them at all, stopping at any point in here is a bad idea, they will just swarm you.
Oh, a walkway. It should be safe up there.
Huh. This is a strange place for a grave. I wonder what is behind us?
Shit, keep running.
Once you keep going, you're let out right near HELIOS One. That means you're close to Novac, so you can pretty skip the whole Primm/Nipton nonsense in one go. If you're going to take a shortcut, this is the one to take.
So, what if we took a left at Scorpion Gulch instead of going straight?
Lots of angry giant radscorpions are still chasing us.
So we wound up at Black Mountain. This is one of the bad routes I showed you before, the place is filled with Super Mutants who will kill you extremely quickly.
Not only do we have to deal with the scorpions, but we have to deal with Evolved Centaurs. You remember Centaurs right, those really weird and annoying tentacle monsters that follow super mutants around everywhere. Well, now they come in bigger and nastier forms.
There is a heavily irradiated crater that is filled with more Centaurs, including a unique one by the name of Moe. Why is it named Moe? I have no idea.
Alright, a gate. Gates always lead to nice places, right?
Fuck, we're back in Super Mutant central. Erm, let's turn around now.
So now we're by the satellite towers.
Awesome another gate, let's check-
Actually, that's not a good idea at all.
Fuck it.
So, moral of the story is, don't go left at Scorpion Gulch.
Now here is the second much more dangerous route, if you can believe that. It's meant to be a shortcut, but is still very difficult to get through.
We have to follow the train track, but we come across all these Bighorners. You don't want to piss them off in big groups like this, they'll just charge you over and over.
This is where the traintracks lead. We don't keep following them, as they head south, but we take a left up a steep hill here.
We are already detected despite no monster in sight. Hmmm...
OH FUCK
"STOP SHOOTING ME, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HUG"
I don't know why it's called a blind deathclaw, it seems to be able to spot us from a mile away. In fact, they have a higher perception than normal deathclaws. What the fuck?
Might be a reference to the Deathclaw's weakness from Fallout 1, being shot in the eyes.
Of course, you can't aim for the eyes in these new fangled Fallouts. Nor the groin. A shame, really.
Let's try a different approach.
NOPE (We got killed after that, forgot to get a screen shot of it)
Fuck, even sneaking past it doesn't work. Just run. RUN
Haha, you can't get me down here Deathclaw!
Huh, wonder what's in here...
I stood by the door for about a minute in case the Deathclaw decided to come in.
We take a nap to heal up.
What's that, I can't see it due to the withdrawl effect-
HOLY FUCK THE DEATHCLAW IS IN THE HOUSE
(When capturing these screenshots, I actually screamed when I woke up to have the Deathclaw staring right at me. I swear, I'm not easily scared by games at all, but I was totally not expecting that. 300 or so hours of playtime, and nothing like that has happened before.)
We can still make it!
Great, now there are jackals shooting at us too.
(We died. Again.)
Reloaded an autosave, and this time, the Deathclaw didn't come charging out of the house.
Alright, these guys should be cake.
Alright, so we're just outside of Novac, so this shortcut didn't take us quite as far as the Scorpion Gulch one did. So, here is my recommendation:
Just take the long way around to Vegas. You get more XP, money and rewards for doing so anyways.
So, has anything in this game geniunely scared you? Either something purposefully in the game or some sort of random suprise or bizarre glitch?
The Deathclaw stalking inside the house reminds me of Jurassic Park.
Things scaring me? That's easy to do for me. The sound of Feral Ghouls unnerves me. The atmosphere of Dead Money did the same. But the one time I had a freak out moment was actually in Old World Blues. I think it's the research station where you find the Stealth Suit Mk II. The lowest level has some tunnels you can go through. You go to the end and find a room with some minor loot, then head back out the way you came. But then you start getting attacked by Nightstalkers. It caught me off guard and made me lose my shit for a moment.
[HEADING=1]How Did You Think It Would End?[/HEADING]
So, we're on a scouting mission to check out what's going on in Nipton. This isn't going to end well. Smoke is generally a bad sign and the game wouldn't send you to Nipton to just say "It's a false alarm, turns out you weren't need after all".
Heading back down the road again.
So we head towards Nipton. We probably won't be heading back towards the Primm/Goodsprings area for a long time.
Yep, nothing but a vast expanse of desert ahead of us. The placement of side locations in this game is rather weird. There are a lot around the edges of the map, but there are quite a few areas (Such as this one) where this it's rather empty.
I suppose since it's a desert it's rather excusable, but still it should be said that I don't like exploring as much in this game as Fallout 3. Don't know exactly why, maybe because the levels were designed better, we haven't ran into any nightmare mazes quite yet.
There is this carcass of a giant radscorpion on the road, wonder what took it down?
That is a big ant.
You know what this situation calls for...
That cleared them all out in one shot, not bad.
More random raiders nearby. Let's use more of this dynamite.
Oh yeah, I forgot to introduce it, I picked up a Caravan Shotgun awhile ago. This is one of my favorite weapons in the game, it's a shotgun with two shots per clip.
It does a good amount of damage and reloads quickly. It also looks pretty cool to boot.
For some reason I switch to the Cowboy Repeater to take this guy out real fast.
Let's take a short nap to heal up-
Of course, as soon as I do, 4 more jackals show up just out of sight.
I pull out the Service Rifle and switch to Armor Piercing ammo to take this guy with the Metal Armor down.
Okay, that should take care of all of them. Usually there is only like one group of 3-4 tops. This time we got two groups of 4, plus their leader who showed right up out of nowhere.
You can hear a gunfight already going on while approaching Nipton here.
You find these two people fighting. This is an interesting little encounter, and it will probably play out different usually. Usually, you'll get here and one of them will be already dead or running. Instinctively you'll probably shoot the person shooting, whether or not that was the right thing to actually do.
As I said, sometimes Tomas will be dead by the time you get here, so I don't often get this conversation.
"Any idea why?"
"No, none at all. We've been traveling together since I picked her up a few days ago, and she's been friendly this whole time. We'd actually began flirting a little when she suddenly pulled a gun out and began yelling at me to hand my caps over. Now that I think of it, though, she laughed when I threw her my money. I think what she really wanted was my lucky charm necklace."
"Lucky charm necklace?"
"Yeah, every once in a while you can find a cap with a blue star on it. They're pretty rare, so I started collecting them."
Obviously this is a call back to what that man told us earlier. People would seriously kill each other over these star caps.
"Once I had enough, I made a necklace out of them, since I thought they were lucky."
"[Speech 50] All sorts of nasty people are looking for caps like those. You'd be safer if you got rid of them."
"[SUCCEEDED] Really? I had no idea. And here I've been carrying them all this time, never knowing how dangerous they were."
To be fair, I doubt he went around shouting "HEY, LOOK AT MY BLUE STAR BOTTLE CAP NECKLACE!! NEAT, HUH?"
"What do you think I should do with them? Bury 'em or something?"
"I can hold onto them for you. I'm not worried about the people that are looking for them."
"They're all yours. I sincerely hope they work better for you than they did for me."
As far as I know, this is the only instance of someone being attacked for having the Star Bottle caps in the game. I don't believe anyone hunts you down for them if you have enough.
We get two more Star Bottle Caps from the body of the woman who was attacking him.
We're at Nipton now. Nipton is actually a real town by the way, I believe there a couple of towns in this game that actually exist in reality.
The Legion was here. Oh shit.
I hate this guy.
"Smell that air! Couldn't ya just drink it like booze!"
"Are you a Powder Ganger?"
"Powder Ganger? What? I mean, yeah, used to be, sure! But not no more! Powder Gang is small-time, man! I'm a winner! I won the motherfucking lottery!"
"What sort of lottery did you win?"
"What lottery? The lottery, that's what lottery! Are you stupid? Only lottery that matters! Oh my God smell that air!"
As you can probably tell, we're not going to get a lot of insight from this guy.
"Are you feeling all right?"
"Are you kidding me? Never felt better!"
Well, not for long.
...What? He was a Powder Ganger. Those guys are assholes anyways.
Most people kill him because he is one of the first NPC's with glasses on, which is useful if you picked the Four Eyes trait.
He has a lottery ticket on him.
Fuck.
Oh look, the other survivor is a Powder Ganger as well.
Another NPC that I hate, but I won't be killing him as he is important for a future sidequest we might be doing later.
"First I get my legs smashed, and then in walks the Powder Gangers' grim fucking reaper? What the fuck have you got against us, man?"
Well, to be fair, you were the ones that opened fire on us 90% of the time.
"Jesus fucking Christ, if you want me dead just gimme 15 Med-X and I'll fucking OD for ya, okay? Fuck!"
"What happened to this town?"
We can probably guess, but some more details would be helpful.
"The Legion happened. What the fuck's it look like?"
"How did you survive?"
"Luck, that's how! I'm just that fucking lucky! You're looking at the second place winner of the Nipton lottery! That asshole Swanick took first place, so him they let walk!"
He didn't walk very far.
"Tell me about the lottery."
"It ain't like we came to Nipton to play it! Me and my crew had it worked out to kidnap some NCR troopers who come to town to get laid. Had it all worked out with the scumbag mayor. We were gonna ransom them off, keep their weapons for ourselves, a nice score."
"How'd your plan go wrong?"
"We get in position and next thing we know, we're surrounded by those fucking Legion freaks. They dragged us and everybody else into the center of town. And that asshole with a dog on his head, he starts talking about how we're bad people!"
Well, you kind of are...
"He said we needed to be punished for what we did, not all of us, but some of us. And then he gives everyone a fucking lottery ticket..."
"What happened after everyone got lottery tickets?"
"What do you think? He started drawing tickets, and that's how people got punished. First up was the "lucky losers." They got decapitated - guess that's "lucky" because it's pretty quick. Then came the crucifixions. Goddamn but those went on and on and on... Third-place runners-up got enslaved. I got the fuck beat out of my legs, and the winner they let go free."
"What happened to the mayor?"
"Him? When his ticket came up, they burned him alive on a pile of tires."
Ouch.
"You said some people were enslaved?"
"Yeah, a bunch of those Legion fucks dragged them off right away. They was headed East, if you're feeling heroic."
"I'll do what I can to save them."
We'll get around to do that little sidequest later.
"Don't act like you'd be doing me a favor. I don't give a fuck."
"Why are you still here?"
Obvious question, but still needs to be asked.
"I dunno, I just love it here."
The scenery is quite nice, I agree.
"What the fuck do you think, asshole? Prize for second place was I got to live, but they beat my fucking legs with hammers. I'm fucking crippled, get it?"
How did you manage to drag yourself all the way to this chair then?
"I can spare some Med-x."
Just doing this to show how much of a dick he is even if you give him some Med-X.
"Then you're a fucking dream come true, ain't ya? How much you gonna give me?
"One dose."
"Big fucking deal. Hand it over."
Hmm, where would like the needle? In the throat, or in the eye?
"Time for me to go."
Let me show you something. I'm going to reload right afterwards, but look.
Crippled my ass.
There is a locked door in the store.
What is wrong with the windows here?
Speaking of windows, why didn't you actually make windows actually windows in the engine you made for Skyrim? Hell, I've seen mods for Fallout 3 that had real windows.
There is an unlocked safe. Not much else of note.
These people are technically still alive, but you can't help them. Presumably they'll just die if you let them all anyway.
Oh great. This is just getting better and better.
"I want you to witness the fate of the town of Nipton, to memorize every detail. And then, when you move on? I want you to teach everyone you meet the lesson that Caesar's Legion taught here, especially any NCR troops you run across."
"What "lessons" did you teach here?"
Picking the other two options means you miss out on more of the backstory of what the Legion actually did here.
"Where to begin? That they are weak, and we are strong? This much was known already. But the depths of their moral sickness, their dissolution? Nipton serves as the perfect object lesson."
"What exactly happened here?"
"Nipton was a wicked place, debased and corrupt. It served all comers, so long as they paid. Profligate troops, Powder Gangers, mean of the Legion such as myself - the people here didn't care. It was a town of whores. For a pittance, the town agreed to lead those it had sheltered into a trap. Only when I sprang it did they realize they were caught inside it, too."
"You captured everyone?"
"Yes, and herded them to the center of town. I told them their sins, the foremost being disloyalty. I told them that when the Legionaries are disloyal, some are punished, the others made to watch."
If you listen to the radio, you may have heard Mr. New Vegas talking about a Legion commander killing a commander of a disloyal force and 1/10th of their soldiers.
"And I announced the lottery. Each clutched his ticket, hoping it would set him free. Each did nothing, even when "loved ones" were dragged away to be killed."
"You slaughtered innocent civilians?"
"Innocent? Hardly."
It's a figure of speech.
"Cowardly, though. They outnumbered us, yet not once did they try to resist. They stood and watched as their fellows were butchered, crucified, and burned, one by one. They stood and hoped their turn would not come. Each cared only for himself."
"Your crimes are unforgivable."
There are only two options here. "Your crimes are unforgivable" or "I'll do as you ask". There is no seperate option for "Well, it was nice meeting you and everything but if you excuse me, I'm going to get the fuck out of here."
"As are all crimes. If you feel strongly about it, attack us, and soon you won't feel a thing."
Well... You're wearing a... Fucking dog on your head. How, do you feel about that, huh?
Yeaaah, we're not going to fight him. It's possible to beat him but:
A) We want to chat with him later
B) We don't want Legion Assassins on our ass this early into the game.
So that was our introduction to the Legion. Pretty effective, huh? This is why I believe the game really wants you to take this path to Vegas. Otherwise, you'll miss out on some some vital backstory and characterization to some of the games factions.
Well, Ranger Ghost said if anyone was alive, they would be in the Town Hall, right?
Nope, it's a massacre in here too.
The Legion left their dogs in here, and now they attack us on sight. They aren't too much of a threat, but they're still annoying.
It's pretty irresponsible as a pet owner to abandon your pets so that they attack random strangers.
TL;DR - We get attacked by dogs. Dogs get attacked by bullets.
It's a fairly nice looking location, but there is nothing of note until the very last room.
In fact, there really isn't much of interest in here either.
We level up unlocking that door.
Now we can lockpick average locks, and we almost have enough repair to go back to Primm and repair that robot in Nash's shop.
Pretty grand for a mayor's office. Wonder how that chandelier has stayed intact for so long?
Skill book and a skill magazine on his desk.
This is what the computer reads:
Tony was kind enough to build this terminal and set it up for me. All for 30 caps worth of Rosie. Ha!
The life of a Mayor suits me just fine. I'm glad I didn't go any further east. I'm making plenty of caps right here off Rosie and Sylvia, who attract plenty of interest from troops at the Mojave Outpost. (Guess you spend enough time standing around that backwater and you're ready to hop on something that looks like a Molerat and doesn't smell much better.) And the local "shops" are all giving me a percentage of sales to the troops because it's my girls who bring them in. Ha! They think they're shred negotiators for getting me to accept a 15% cut instead of 20%.
Another year in this dump, two at the most, and it's back to Hub for me. Maybe I'll run for office there! Ha!
Mayor Joseph B. Steyn
(Doesn't that look official!)
A promising development, if I do say so myself! It seems things went to hell at the NCR Correctional Facility north of here, and escaped prisoners are roaming free.
Sound like a bad thing - and would be, if not for the political acumen and interpersonal alchemy of yours truly, May Joseph B. Steyn, Esq. I sent the Jims out to make contact with the prisoners (or "Powder Gangers," rather - they insist on this name) to let them know Nipton's open for trade with free turns with the girls as door prizes.
Ha! You know they went for that deal. As sold by Little Jim, anyway. Big Jim, R.I.P.
I see a lot of potential here so long as I can keep the NCR troops and Powders (ridiculous name) from running into each other and shooting it out in the streets. Luckily, the troopers only come at night (double entendre), so if the Powders will only come during the day (again), I'll have them coming (third time, the charm) and going.
Yours in confidence.
Mayor Joseph B. Steyn, Esq.
I can hardly believe my luck. Literally. I'm agape.
Just now I was approached by a rather intense young man calling himself "Mr. Fox." (Yeah, right.) When we were alone in my office, he let it be known that he is a member of Caesar's Legion (!!!).
He knew that NCR troopers and Powder Gangers often spend time in Nipton. It turns out that the Legion hates and wishes to make an example of both groups, the NCR for obvious reasons, and the Powder Gangers for harassing Legion raiding parties on this side of the river.
I didn't have to think a moment about Mr. Fox's proposition before accepting it. All I have to do is convince the Powders to kidnap the NCR troops at night. When both groups are in town, the Legion boys will scoop everyone up. Ha!
For this simple task, I have been offered 8,000 CAPS!!! I could almost go back to the NCR right away... but who knows how much else I might make off this Legion lackey?
I'm going to start stockpiling some supplies in a safe house between here and the Mojave Outpost, just in case I decide to head back home in a hurry...
Very exciting!
Signed, with a steady hand,
(on the keyboard)
Super-Mayor Joseph B. Steyn, III Esq.
So yeah, the mayor is kind of a dick.
Also, a laser pistol. Not that nice of a find, they're kind of crappy in this game.
Behind a locked door is this room.
A new flavor of Nuka Cola, Nuka-Cola Victory. There is no collection quest for them in this game, the Star Bottle Cap quest has replaced it.
Laser Rifle on the other hand, that is a nice find. We probably won't be using it on this character, but the Laser Rifles in this game are still very handy to have.
On my way outside, I was ambushed by a random dog. I thought I killed them all.
Well, I suppose we could go after those survivors that the Legion took, and then maybe head back to Mojave Outpost to tell Ranger Ghost what had happened. There is nothing else to do in Nipton, it's pretty much a graveyard now.
What did you think of how the Legion was introduced in this game?
Oh yeah, I forgot to introduce it, I picked up a Caravan Shotgun awhile ago. This is one of my favorite weapons in the game, it's a shotgun with two shots per clip.
Common misconception, but a ?clip? is not used in this sort of weapon. Nor are clips and magazines the same thing. This is an Over/Under shotgun, so it has neither
What did you think of how the Legion was introduced in this game?
Seemed a bit harsh, but it did make them out to be a major player and worthy adversary.
However, what I did really like about it was the comparison between them and the NCR. When you first meet the NCR in Primm they're getting their asses kicked by a bunch of cut-off gangers with crappy equipment.
When you meet the Legion, they've cleared an entire town of gangers through both force and charismatic fear.
We'll get around to do that little sidequest later.
No, but I do have my Musashi Miyamoto pajamas [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100210145440/dynastywarriors/images/2/2f/Musashi-sw2.jpg].
[sub][sub][sub][sub]That's a character from Samurai Warriors 2. A lot of people like to joke about how his design looks like fluffy pajamas considering he is supposed to be a master swordsman.[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]
For an Obsidian game, the Legion is pretty clear-cut evil. What makes them interesting is that there is some merit to their method despite its evil-ness. They bring security to those who ally with them (unless you're a woman or a soldier). And in a world like Fallout's, I'm not so certain that a lot of people wouldn't forsake their morals for such security.
Even in my Legion playthrough, I played it as a guy who was more wanting that security than as one who identified with the Legion's views. Caesar became a better character to me in that run of the game, but still damn evil.
The first time I encountered the legion, though? Killed them. I was a higher level than the game intended because I sequence broke the game by going straight to New Vegas after Primm (though I backtracked to Goodspring and then made the pretty straight run to New Vegas from there. I mentioned this earlier in this thread, though). It was still pretty tough because I'm not a hoarder. I sell everything. So I had no dynamite, no mines, no grenades, nothing explosive. Just Driver Nephi's golf driver.
I wouldn't call it "clear-cut" due to the fact that they are reasonable, or at least both Caesar and Lanius are to some degree. And if you look at the head honchos of the NCR (Kimball, Moore, Oliver) they're pretty bone-headed and nigh movable in their claims.
What makes them interesting is that there is some merit to their method despite its evil-ness. They bring security to those who ally with them (unless you're a woman or a soldier). And in a world like Fallout's, I'm not so certain that a lot of people wouldn't forsake their morals for such security.
It's actually not that far from the truth in real life.
Now this isn't 100%, no doubt truth, but I recall some stories before and after the capture of Saddam that there were people who actually liked aspects of his regime, one being that some people felt safe as crime rates were low due to almost zero-tolerance. Even today in some cities such as Dubai they have zero tolerance for crime, which means less crime, which leads to more safety of civilians.
[sub][sub][sub]I shouldn't use real life examples when talking about a video game, but I can't help myself[/sub][/sub][/sub]
[sub][sub][sub]I've been waiting for this since the Fallout 3 LP[/sub][/sub][/sub]
I wouldn't call it "clear-cut" due to the fact that they are reasonable, or at least both Caesar and Lanius are to some degree. And if you look at the head honchos of the NCR (Kimball, Moore, Oliver) they're pretty bone-headed and nigh movable in their claims.
What makes them interesting is that there is some merit to their method despite its evil-ness. They bring security to those who ally with them (unless you're a woman or a soldier). And in a world like Fallout's, I'm not so certain that a lot of people wouldn't forsake their morals for such security.
It's actually not that far from the truth in real life.
Now this isn't 100%, no doubt truth, but I recall some stories before and after the capture of Saddam that there were people who actually liked aspects of his regime, one being that some people felt safe as crime rates were low due to almost zero-tolerance. Even today in some cities such as Dubai they have zero tolerance for crime, which means less crime, which leads to more safety of civilians.
[sub][sub][sub]I shouldn't use real life examples when talking about a video game, but I can't help myself[/sub][/sub][/sub]
[sub][sub][sub]I've been waiting for this since the Fallout 3 LP[/sub][/sub][/sub]
I know you're not a "fan" really. I just enjoy pointing out how you decimated me in a debate we had over that issue. (No, really. You trounced me. No two ways about it)
I know you're not a "fan" really. I just enjoy pointing out how you decimated me in a debate we had over that issue. (No, really. You trounced me. No two ways about it)
I know you're not a "fan" really. I just enjoy pointing out how you decimated me in a debate we had over that issue. (No, really. You trounced me. No two ways about it)
That's why I like these LP threads. It's a great way to make friends and have conversations about fun stuff. Like the morality of men who dress up as Romans and run around the wasteland enslaving ALL the people.
I know you're not a "fan" really. I just enjoy pointing out how you decimated me in a debate we had over that issue. (No, really. You trounced me. No two ways about it)
That's why I like these LP threads. It's a great way to make friends and have conversations about fun stuff. Like the morality of men who dress up as Romans and run around the wasteland enslaving ALL the people.
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