LilithSlave teaches you about the one true religion: Touhou

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I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
 

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370999 said:
I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
I hate to be that guy but I don't know Japanese.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
I hate to be that guy but I don't know Japanese.
I thought if you knew hentai(pervert/erotica) you would know comic-books and porn.

I don't know Japanese either I just thought you would know

Sorry!
 

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Carsus Tyrell said:
Christ on a bread bin you guys are delicate little snowflakes aren't you? "Waah you insulted us all!" "Waah stop talking about things I don't like" "Waah stop saying bad things about what I do like" "You're a troll!" "No you're a troll!" yadda yadda etc. I've seen less tears at a first time anal convention.

I've finally cracked the code, the Escapist forums (cause sweeping statements are kewl) is /v/ with a thesaurus and some kind of complex about "objectively" proving things wrong.
You've been to a first time anal convention!? I didn't know they had such a thing...
 

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Matthew94 said:
Why do you complain about media that is male dominated but have no problem playing games like this where there is only one "active humanoid male character in the Touhou series." who "is also one of the few characters who seem to have no fighting ability.".
Lol, I love when guys get butthurt about things like this.

The reason there's no problem with games with only female characters is that we need more of them. Since western male gamers are too sexist to handle female characters in "guy games", it stands to reason that the female characters needed to have a reasonable gender balance are in games without dudes. Which we need more of. A lot more.

Butthurt about this? Tough shit. Maybe reconsider crying emo tears next time a female character appears in a game whiny dudes think shouldn't have female characters in it.

Example: Risen 2 fans, and the ignorant sexism from these gamer "males" who think female pirates didn't exist (or were "unrealistic" - actual quote used by someone here on the escapist), and who thought medival society didn't have female blacksmiths (both proven wrong by, you know, facts - 25% of London's blacksmiths were female in 1400 for example)


Touhou has issues, this one isn't it.

Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
No, it's not. Even I know it, after all.
 

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370999 said:
Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
I hate to be that guy but I don't know Japanese.
I thought if you knew hentai(pervert/erotica) you would know comic-books and porn.

I don't know Japanese either I just thought you would know

Sorry!
It is alright. I know of Hentai I just watch regular porn instead. I know my favourite actresses and oh why am I telling the world this!
 

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Trillovinum said:
Carsus Tyrell said:
Christ on a bread bin you guys are delicate little snowflakes aren't you? "Waah you insulted us all!" "Waah stop talking about things I don't like" "Waah stop saying bad things about what I do like" "You're a troll!" "No you're a troll!" yadda yadda etc. I've seen less tears at a first time anal convention.

I've finally cracked the code, the Escapist forums (cause sweeping statements are kewl) is /v/ with a thesaurus and some kind of complex about "objectively" proving things wrong.
You've been to a first time anal convention!? I didn't know they had such a thing...
They exist, but they're a pain in the arse to find.
 

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Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
I hate to be that guy but I don't know Japanese.
I thought if you knew hentai(pervert/erotica) you would know comic-books and porn.

I don't know Japanese either I just thought you would know

Sorry!
It is alright. I know of Hentai I just watch regular porn instead. I know my favourite actresses and oh why am I telling the world this!
Wow this is awkward

Back to discussing little Japanese girls taking piping hot streams of energy to the face...
 

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Obnoxious amounts of shit on screen and music playing over the top.


zefiris said:
What a fucking joke: I'm pretty sure Risen 2 doesn't have any fans.

On a more serious note, a better answer would be to have games with a normal wealth of characters of both genders. Not some childish, "well they've only got blokes so we'll only have girls, nur nur nur".
 

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Elmoth said:
Also, Magical Girls are a cheap ploy to abuse the viewer's liking of submissive sexualized females.
So magical girls are a cheap ploy, but muscular dudes are not?

Yeah, no. That's a bad justification for one's taste and desires. The Touhou games do not sexualize the females at all. And while I'm one of the users who has decried the sexualization of women as anyone. I don't really consider favoring testosterone laden male characters and leaving women less present. I have believe I have claimed that fanservice isn't even really a bad thing, but that women in the industry, when they do exist, are almost always sexualized and many people in the industry have responded to that by saying things like "we do this because we don't think that people want to play as a female character unless they're made to be sexy". Removing them altogether is not an improvement.

In fact, I think I'd rather see ZUN make fanservice characters to himself because he'd rather play as girl happen a lot, than to gaming dominated by dudes. Having an adoration of cuteness or female character or even magical girls is not a bad thing. And "magical girls" are primarily made as a genre for a girl audience. Most magical girl stuff is considered in the "shoujo" genre. It is just that, just like with My Little Pony, there is an overlapping demographic between girls and men. And people have all sorts of reasons for that. Yes, I have some problems with those communities, from guys who like magical girl anime, to My Little Pony, to Touhou, and some of the things some of the members of these communities support. That doesn't make Touhou bad. Or any of these things, for that matter.

I find it ironic that apparently I'm a "living feminist flamewar" that people crack jokes as soon as I enter a thread. And that I'm just prudish and anti-porn and sex and stuff. But when something like Touhou features a bunch of girls, you know, like how a bunch of games contain dude casts, it's "ewww Magical are pandering. I object to this because it is so sexist towards women.". Oh please.

There's nothing to be berated about Touhou's all female cast. It certainly isn't any worse than Team Fortress 2's all male cast.
 

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370999 said:
Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
Evil Smurf said:
370999 said:
I'm amazed people don't know about Touhou. Really? I'm pretty ignorant but even I know about it. It's like not knowing about say Metro 2023

Evil Smurf said:
Dr Pussymagnet said:
Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
Damn you! Now I can't help think of Squids! D:
to be more serious, no but Touhou does produce a large amount of doujinshi's. Which then naturally leads to eroge.
I hate to be that guy but I don't know Japanese.
I thought if you knew hentai(pervert/erotica) you would know comic-books and porn.

I don't know Japanese either I just thought you would know

Sorry!
It is alright. I know of Hentai I just watch regular porn instead. I know my favourite actresses and oh why am I telling the world this!
Wow this is awkward

Back to discussing little Japanese girls taking piping hot streams of energy to the face...
Life giving energy?
 

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Elmoth said:
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Elmoth said:
Innovation, iteration. . . I just want to know if it has something to make it better than many 10 year old games, which it seems to look exactly like except with less enemies and more 'bullets' and with. . magical girls.
Well, chess hasn't changed significantly in the last few centuries. The various incarnations of Tetris haven't change significantly, either. When a genre has the simplicity of: "here are some things, dodge them," I don't really see how much the gameplay can be refined beyond giving the player interesting patterns of things to dodge.
Allow the player to change direction ie more movement than up down left right, have the player go trough actual environments, camera changes, a progression system, more than one attack button, shooting in a different direction than just foward i.e. with the mouse. . . and I could go on and on and on.
I'm pretty sure shumps have had most of those for about a decade. They're not all in every game because they don't make sense in every game, but quite a few of those (environment variation, for instance, and progression systems) I remember being in the one or two shumps I played in elementary school.
 

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josemlopes said:
Here we go again.

You complaint about us that we are intolerant to anime and that we say stuff like:

"Its anime so its shit"

I would defend your right to like anime but after the multitude of threads created by you that are filled with anime and that are written in an way that completely dismisses everything else in favor of praising what you like, I just can't.

Your mind is incredibly narrow in the way that you treat everyone that is diferent then you like a dick. Why would you post this knowing that barely anyone knows about it (and is interested in it) here in the Escapist?

If you want to let people know about it dont say "This is the best thing ever and you are an idiot if you never played it", just say "I have been playing this game and loving it, what other games have you been playing lately and loving?". Notice the question? That is important to start a thread, let people also spread a bit of what they like and if they happen to like what you like then great, if they don't then move on.


You, for what you do here in the forums, are a door-to-door religious guy. This is our reaction to what you do:

Yes, thank you.

LilithSlave said:
Elmoth said:
Also, Magical Girls are a cheap ploy to abuse the viewer's liking of submissive sexualized females.
So magical girls are a cheap ploy, but muscular dudes are not?

Yeah, no. That's a bad justification for one's taste and desires. The Touhou games do not sexualize the females at all.
Really? Not at all huh? From the same dudes who made a game about capturing little girls into balls and using them to fight each other has no symbolism about a dude being powerful enough to capture females of their tastes. Pokemon had symbolism about how illegal-animal-fights if you looked at it from the perspective that illegal-animal-fighting was just allowed there. Also, there are a few sexualized girls in Tohou, but its not how they act as more of their general looks. Honestly, if I dived in looking for the one or two in question I would never come out.

While here, they did not say that Muscular Dudes were not or are a ploy at all therefore coping out with "Magic girls are a ploy, but muscular dudes are not?" is just using assumptions to your better.

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Lillith, while I'm here, I'm going to confess something. The very first time me and you had a chat resulted in you essentially calling me a dumb-fuck for disliking something that you liked, which just isn't right. And it wasn't like you gave a decent reason for it aside from "just because" sure you put up a few straws but my tank ran through those straws leading to "just because" and I had reasons for disliking it that were more objective then subjective. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, but its just it was rude and you pull another rude move so to prevent people from treating you like a prick in the future, please make sure you don't tell everyone that they are ignorant for not agreeing with you.

On topic, saying Tohou is big is a overstatement. Proof of this is that most of the games have been only fan-translated and not translated by the actual team for these games. While some were very interesting for just the odd-ball act such as Tohouvania and tohou-mon, most of the top down shooter ones are very stale from one another and aren't that fun to play due to instant kill moves being thrown out like roses at a wedding and bad story combined with just hard to play gameplay, but if you get over that its solid at least.

Ikaruga is simple, but hard, it doesn't extend past BLOCK X BULLET, SHOOT DIFFERENT COLORED BULLET AT Y while Tohou doesn't have any real lee-way in combat. While Ikaruga gave you a slight chance at surviving anything, there are just a few things in Tohou you can't avoid first time through. Granted that can be said for most bullet-hells but most are fair enough to give you a warning before hand.

Another kick in the balls in metaphorical speak is the actual cast, while it varies, are not much beyond 2-D cut-outs of different personalities. Sure there are a-lot of personalities, but they don't extend past it, they don't have depth or motivation past what their personality is. Maria, for example, when questioned in the Defense Attorney Tohou game doesn't have much defense for her recklessness besides "Blowing things up is fun!" The characters aren't deep or have interesting motivation, they are just different personalities missing the depth.

While I'll give Tohou credit for creating a fucking massive universe with a ton of continuity between them, it just is to much and at points can get rather confusing where this character fits in with this very obscure character and is just hard to follow. It almost gets to Metal Gear Solid levels of hard-to-follow at points. Also the stories aren't that well written.

My final complaint is on character design. Its just that these feel so Anime that I don't think Otacon could possibly look at them

In conclusion, the shooting is slightly solid but is very cheap when it comes to one hit kills and unseeable death, resulting in many retries. Convoluted story and there just being to many to keep track of. The characters are card-board cut outs and just dress way to anime in style.
 

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what the fuck
right you were the person who made a minecraft Touhou thread a while back if i remember correctly

i will treat this like any other religious conversion
by that i mean get property and i have interest in what your selling

i fear the fan works of touhou considering the characters look like little girls(aka loli)
shudders

that aside i have played this bullet hell game
http://www.kongregate.com/games/kupo707/bullet-heaven
and had fun
 

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Elmoth said:
-It has a simple shoot/dodge gameplay style (with the occasional shield/freeze/powerup etc gimmick) that a lot of sidescrolling shooters from a decade and older employed. It's stagnant.
All genres have their own rules and tendencies.

How are scrolling shooters any more limited or the same than first person shooters?
Elmoth said:
-It doesn't have an established and unique aesthethic. It looks dull.
If you look more into Touhou, you'll find that is has a very established and unique aesthetic.

Team Shanghai Alice and Cave look very different from each other.
TizzytheTormentor said:
If it's so popular, how come I never heard of it
That's interesting logic. I had never even heard of portal until late 2011. Does that make it not big?

There's a lot of diversity in what is popular. Most of the video games you think are big and most people have heard of, my parents would say they've never heard of before. And most of my real life friends have never heard of Team Fortress 2.

Not trying to insult anyone for having heard of it, or reviving dumb old debates. Also, the Escapist apparently has its own culture. People aren't just "normal folks" and stuff they don't like isn't the weird stuff. The Escapist is one tiny fraction of the gaming community, with their own biases and things they like that they are in the minority about. Even if most of the Escapist hasn't heard of something, that doesn't make it not big. That just means it isn't big in the Escapist culture and community.

So neither your anecdotal or any claim about what most of the Escapist has heard of, proves whether something is popular or not. Again, the Escapist is one culture with its own biases that is not representative of the gaming culture as a whole. I think one problem of the Escapist, is the tendency to think of itself as being the norm.

I tried to make that message sound as not insulting and not rude as possible. And not belittle anyone at all for not having heard of Touhou.
Elmoth said:
Teh noez I must bow down to your superiour tastes!

To be frank this game series is too juvenile, simple and uninteresting to warrant either good discussion or trying to get people to like it.
So, you blame me of being elitist.

But then you claim something that isn't to your tastes as unworthy of discussion based upon this.
 

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zefiris said:
Matthew94 said:
Why do you complain about media that is male dominated but have no problem playing games like this where there is only one "active humanoid male character in the Touhou series." who "is also one of the few characters who seem to have no fighting ability.".
Lol, I love when guys get butthurt about things like this.

The reason there's no problem with games with only female characters is that we need more of them. Since western male gamers are too sexist to handle female characters in "guy games", it stands to reason that the female characters needed to have a reasonable gender balance are in games without dudes. Which we need more of. A lot more.

Butthurt about this? Tough shit. Maybe reconsider crying emo tears next time a female character appears in a game whiny dudes think shouldn't have female characters in it.

Example: Risen 2 fans, and the ignorant sexism from these gamer "males" who think female pirates didn't exist (or were "unrealistic" - actual quote used by someone here on the escapist), and who thought medival society didn't have female blacksmiths (both proven wrong by, you know, facts - 25% of London's blacksmiths were female in 1400 for example)


Touhou has issues, this one isn't it.

Wait, you're telling me Touhou's not a hentai?
No, it's not. Even I know it, after all.
Just thought I'd point out that that is a pretty major generalization you just did there. There are plenty of male gamers that don't give two shits about whether the games protagonist is a male or a female etc.