sniper rifles. ooh look! you can shoot me, an unsuspecting player, from a large distance when i dont know your there! oh yeah, buddy, that TOTALLY makes you a badass...
spawn killing anyone?
spawn killing anyone?
List of Unfair and Game-Breaking FPS Tactics
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List of FPS game designer stupidity that makes me *facepalm*
1. Killstreaks help the only guy who's actually good, debalance the whole game. - remember when getting a multi-kill and rampage only netted you a badge and XP, well now it's used of changing the balance up.
2.Instant knife kills - In some games, going for a knife kill requires stealth, in some it means that if you're against more than 1 opponent, the other guy will shoot your face of while you try to show-off and go melee them. And some games have this half-second kinfe kill, which can be barely seen.
3.A weapon which in real life could fit both a grenade launcher, a scope and a custom magazine has only 1 at a time. What's even the logic behind that? I can understand that you can't have 2 scopes (though IRL it is possible), but come on.
4. Unlocking the same type of upgrade for every gun separately - I mean seriously, if I like a certain scope and suddenly I have a better gun, I'll still be running around with the old one, cause the better gun can't fit all the custom parts yet.
5. Unlocks being tied to both XP and in-game currency - I don't really think this warrants an explanation. I'm looking at you Black Ops, what the hell?
6. Silences weapons don't appear on the damage reticule - cause when you're shot with a silenced gun, you can't tell which way the bullet hits you?
7. Place sensitive grenades - a grenade 5 feet away kills 1) no one - outdoors or 2)everyone indoors
1. Killstreaks help the only guy who's actually good, debalance the whole game. - remember when getting a multi-kill and rampage only netted you a badge and XP, well now it's used of changing the balance up.
2.Instant knife kills - In some games, going for a knife kill requires stealth, in some it means that if you're against more than 1 opponent, the other guy will shoot your face of while you try to show-off and go melee them. And some games have this half-second kinfe kill, which can be barely seen.
3.A weapon which in real life could fit both a grenade launcher, a scope and a custom magazine has only 1 at a time. What's even the logic behind that? I can understand that you can't have 2 scopes (though IRL it is possible), but come on.
4. Unlocking the same type of upgrade for every gun separately - I mean seriously, if I like a certain scope and suddenly I have a better gun, I'll still be running around with the old one, cause the better gun can't fit all the custom parts yet.
5. Unlocks being tied to both XP and in-game currency - I don't really think this warrants an explanation. I'm looking at you Black Ops, what the hell?
6. Silences weapons don't appear on the damage reticule - cause when you're shot with a silenced gun, you can't tell which way the bullet hits you?
7. Place sensitive grenades - a grenade 5 feet away kills 1) no one - outdoors or 2)everyone indoors
So using a rocket or grenade launcher in COD, Halo or any other MP-FPSs is noobish since they are overpowered and not balanced damage wise? I'm sorry but aren't they meant to powerful? I mean if they were to be balanced with all the other weapons then they would better off shooting burning confetti then actual live ammunition. Note that I only use rocket launchers and the like when it gives a tactical advantage or pisses off the guy that has been getting a large killstreak and was trashtalking everyone.
Also, read this: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ ((Playing to Win)) and win at everything. What it comes down to is that is you want to win, use whatever it takes (within the rules and spirit of the game) to win. If camping and noob-tubing are the best tactics, then use it. If everyone is using the same tactics, find a new one that trumps them all.
Play to Win, but don't be a jerk about it. If you cannot grasp this topic, then expect to QQ at every game with a "cheap" tactic as it's used against you.
(PS. Hacks and Cheats are only allowed if agreed on before hand. Otherwise, don't use them. period.)
Play to Win, but don't be a jerk about it. If you cannot grasp this topic, then expect to QQ at every game with a "cheap" tactic as it's used against you.
(PS. Hacks and Cheats are only allowed if agreed on before hand. Otherwise, don't use them. period.)
But if I'm supposed to do whatever it takes to win, why can't I use hacks and cheats? I mean, the game developers must have put/left them in for a reason right?
Alright. Some of those are right. Cheaters need to fuck off, and the people who make the hacks to allow the cheaters to do so, need to be made to pay for property damage. Somehow...Ninjat_126 said:
Overpowered weapons. This is a tough one. Most of the time, it's just a good gun. Personally, I think that when a weapon isn't high-tier, is INSANELY powerful, can kill ANYONE, and can be used by ANYONE, with questionable, to devastating effect, it's truly overpowered. Only thing I can think of, off of the top of my head, is the Glock 17 for MW2 (Technically, it's actually a Glock 17. Glock 18 would have a port thing on the top, a barrel break (I think.), and a fire selector. These are just G17s, with an automatic sear, and extended mags (Which means, technically, you can have a weapon with FOUR attachments at the same time. Full-auto, extended mags, RDS (Red Dot Sight), and a silencer!).), which is a real mauler in the field, and used by anyone who isn't using a shotgun, handgun for quick-swapping, or tac-knife, M93r for sniping, or launcher. Yes, that's a majority of the weapons in the sidearm slot, but still. Unless they think Shotguns are Just Better, they're using the Glock for their sidearm.
Camping? Yeah, that's actually a strategy. Now, newb tactic, it also is. Want me to elaborate? Sure!
When a newbie uses it, they're just sitting down. Maybe they need to take a breather, maybe they need to review their controls, maybe they don't think they're awesome enough to go rush in. They sit back, and when they see an enemy, they shoot. They still probably won't get a kill, but at least they stood a chance, this time.
When a noob uses it, they sit somewhere, where they have little to no chance of being seen, with a very powerful, fast-striking weapon, like a shotgun, and blindside everyone that passes by.
When me, or someone else that has some to a lot of skill uses it, they kill everyone. EVERYONE. They actually have a LOT of combat skill, and they sit down to take control of a choke point, or fire into a well-traveled path. Sneaking up behind/next to them doesn't work; they have situational awareness, and mines behind them. Grenades don't work, either. They just throw them back, or guard against them. Flash and stuns won't work, either. Flashes they can guard against, and still be able to see. Stuns they can't, but they CAN still shoot at you, they just can't turn very well. Rushing them gets a bullet. They have situational awareness, so they know you're coming, potentially before you do. And they have combat skill, so they can kill you, easy. Killing them from where they're watching doesn't work, for obvious reasons. They're nigh untouchable. This, my friends, is a dick move. A legitimized dick move, but the move of a dick, none-the-less.
Quick/no-scoping. Argh, I hate these guys. They either suck, and make me feel bad for killing them so hard, or they cheat, because they're just playing on a console, and using the aim-assist. And they're all, ALL, complete douches. And they all act like dicks, in the worst possible ways. They say "gg" every time they win, and only when they win. When they don't? Expect an earful, to be called gay, or a rage-quit, and you now "own" that server. Any variation, combination, or all of the above. Potentially in that order. Now, no-scopers are just really, really lucky. Even if you're playing CoD, using an assault sniper, and have Steady Aim, you have to have luck to kill with any regularity. Generally, these people aren't complete assholes, since nothing about what they're doing, has any promise about a higher K/Dr. They're generally playing for fun, and trying to no-scope for the hell of it. That last part generally only applies to those that try to no-scope with bolt-actions, though. Assault sniper no-scopers are like SMG spray 'n' prayers, with a one hit kill gun. Not cool.
Glitch exploitation? Yeah. Fuck 'em. Fuck them straight up their reproductive organ hole with a very sharp, very cold, very rough, very rusty object. Unless that "glitch" simply allows you access to more of the map (Unless by "More of the map" you mean "On tp of tht 10-stori bulding so I cn inst-kil evry1 els n teh map with mah Ay-double-u-pee, lolz".), which is permissible. Say, in this one map in CoD4, there's a dumpster you can jump on, which lets you climb on top of a small building, which you can then jump to a few others, from. That isn't cheap; since you're just as vulnerable as you are on the ground, it's just a shooting platform, or surprise attack base. If it lets you out of map, or on top of an irresponsibly large object, which overlooks the rest of the map, that's just poor level design. Expect both any known ways up there to be destroyed, and the place in question to be invisiwalled off.
Dropshotting. Proning as soon as you see someone, is a dick move. A slightly valid dick move, but still a dick move. Leaping through the air, is an Action Man stunt, and can be ignored. Great fun, by the way. Perhaps you should try it sometime, instead of whining so much, yes? (Not aimed at you, specifically. Just a bad joke, about how many people complain about a base part of the game, being used as intended (OMG, he/she used the AIM/JUMP key/button! BURN HIS/HER PENIS/BREASTS OFF WITH A LIGHTER!).).
Now, proning, then standing, then either jumping, then proning again, or just proning again, and repeating as long as there are enemies (If you've ever even HEARD of Warrock, please facepalm for me. Thank you!), that is a noob tactic.
What if I am not playing to win. What if I am playing for a good time. What if I love dieing to skilled players more than I like pwning skilless ones.Calderon0311 said:
Alot of people play these games for a good time. Winning is not required. I try to play on servers with like minded people and we have a great time. Rarely will the objective be taken if there is still somebody on the other team trying to kill you. When ptw people join they can really suck the fun from the server.
I think there are a lot of potential issues that people can have in some FPS games that are fine in others. TF2 is my FPS of choice so most of these except number 5 and 6 are not relevant complaints. Just like there are weapons in TF2 that are unlike any other game so my complaints about them wont apply. I am yet to play a game where camping can not easily be countered though.
The only stuff on that list I consider cheating, is well...the things that are cheating, like hacking and glitching.
All the other things are legitimate strategies and all have a way to beat.
All the other things are legitimate strategies and all have a way to beat.
I'm hoping that Sirlin wirtes a bit about the design of TF2 (Class wise) but otherwise, the point of the book is playing to win at higher levels of enjoyment. As a TF2 player, I know what you mean as most of the servers I join are very relaxed play, but as fun as a Heavy Sandvich party is, sometimes you need a good round to feel like a boss. Playing to win isn't about steamrolling weak players, but it's about enjoying a game at a higher level. Not just a higher level of play, but going beyond the game into Yomi. Yomi is that Zen where you're trading rocket blows against another Solly who you concider your rival. Where even more enjoyment is ment to be found inside and outside of every game.AhumbleKnight said:
You may yet be saved, just keep reading to understand.
Final Score 75/100
Glitches are allowable if both sides have access to them at any time, and if they're not gamebreaking. Rocket Jumpping was originally a physics glitch for example, and super Piston jumpping in Unreal Tournament 99 Required a second person to initiate the sequence. Developevers never intend to "leave" in glitches, they just appear and get squashed eventually. Sometimes though, a new game will appear with that "glitch" the mechanic itself though.Salad Is Murder said:
Hacks on the other hand are 3rd party tools. To say that "developers left them in for a reason" just docked your score by 80% due to failing to read in context.
Final Score: D--
Glitches are allowable if both sides have access to them at any time, and if they're not gamebreaking. Rocket Jumpping was originally a physics glitch for example, and super Piston jumpping in Unreal Tournament 99 Required a second person to initiate the sequence. Developevers never intend to "leave" in glitches, they just appear and get squashed eventually. Sometimes though, a new game will appear with that "glitch" the mechanic itself though.Salad Is Murder said:
Hacks on the other hand are 3rd party tools. To say that "developers left them in for a reason" just docked your score by 80% due to failing to read in context.
Final Score: D--
I see it as a compliment if you're that high value of a target that someone has to use their iWin button to make sure you die. KKalezian said:
means nothing when the team wins, but if they win due to the enemy's use of strikes to take out "one" valuable person, then the losing team deserved that loss.Final Score: Reset Cooldowns unlocked.
The only tactics that bother me are the ones that exploit game mechanics: no-scoping, dolphin diving, hacking and glitching. Camping doesn't bother me at all, neither does the use of 'noob' weapons. They're ligitimate tactics and easily countered.
The answer for you is to find a server with other like minded individuals. In the last year or so, I've come to the realization that Sirlin is right, but that a lot of his fans misread his book; they take all the parts about playing to win, but forget about the parts which say "if the game is broken, it's not worth playing to win," and I'd add another qualifier to it; if you're playing to win and everyone else on the server is screwing around, you need to find another server. The reverse is also true; if you want to screw around while everyone else is playing seriously, do everyone a favor and find a server that matches up better to your goals.AhumbleKnight said:
For anyone playing a console, and therefore lacking access to dedicated servers, I hate to say it, but this is very much a "sucks to be you" situation. Without any way to filter who you're playing against, you're SOL if your goals are different from the majority's.
OT: The only two things on the OP's list that are really off limits are the last two, glitching and hacking. Everything else is just playing the game as it was intended, and if you don't like that, you're better off finding a game that matches you than you are trying to change the rules of one which doesn't.
This list should be empty. Hacking and glitching aren't tactics and all the other things are perfectly legitimate.
Not universally; if the game is well balanced, there's ways around all of them, and if you're playing with the right people, they don't mind. It's why I like the servers run by teamplayergaming.com; I'm not always in the mood for a serious, competitive game, but when I am, those servers deliver. To give an idea of how little they care about "cheap" tactics, their Battlefield servers have no rule against attacking uncaps; they consider it a legitimate tactic which is used to end the game more quickly, and if the losing team can break out, good, if not, better luck next time.austincharlesbond said:*facepalm*SL33TBL1ND said:
everyone knows that these "perfectly legitimate" tactics are universally hated, so if you do them, everyone you play will hate you