Firstly, if it is possible to do something within the game which is not against its rules (for example hacking/glitching) and it gives you an edge, you should do it.austincharlesbond said:*facepalm*SL33TBL1ND said:This list should be empty. Hacking and glitching aren't tactics and all the other things are perfectly legitimate.
everyone knows that these "perfectly legitimate" tactics are universally hated, so if you do them, everyone you play will hate you![]()
Secondly, I'll just paste this here.
EDIT: But perhaps more importantly, I don't care if you hate me when I play. If you're not having fun, leave. I'm not going to make concessions for you just because you QQ'd.Owyn_Merrilin said:The answer for you is to find a server with other like minded individuals. In the last year or so, I've come to the realization that Sirlin is right, but that a lot of his fans misread his book; they take all the parts about playing to win, but forget about the parts which say "if the game is broken, it's not worth playing to win," and I'd add another qualifier to it; if you're playing to win and everyone else on the server is screwing around, you need to find another server. The reverse is also true; if you want to screw around while everyone else is playing seriously, do everyone a favor and find a server that matches up better to your goals.AhumbleKnight said:What if I am not playing to win. What if I am playing for a good time. What if I love dieing to skilled players more than I like pwning skilless ones.Calderon0311 said:Also, read this: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ ((Playing to Win)) and win at everything. What it comes down to is that is you want to win, use whatever it takes (within the rules and spirit of the game) to win. If camping and noob-tubing are the best tactics, then use it. If everyone is using the same tactics, find a new one that trumps them all.
Play to Win, but don't be a jerk about it. If you cannot grasp this topic, then expect to QQ at every game with a "cheap" tactic as it's used against you.
(PS. Hacks and Cheats are only allowed if agreed on before hand. Otherwise, don't use them. period.)
Alot of people play these games for a good time. Winning is not required. I try to play on servers with like minded people and we have a great time. Rarely will the objective be taken if there is still somebody on the other team trying to kill you. When ptw people join they can really suck the fun from the server.
I think there are a lot of potential issues that people can have in some FPS games that are fine in others. TF2 is my FPS of choice so most of these except number 5 and 6 are not relevant complaints. Just like there are weapons in TF2 that are unlike any other game so my complaints about them wont apply. I am yet to play a game where camping can not easily be countered though.
For anyone playing a console, and therefore lacking access to dedicated servers, I hate to say it, but this is very much a "sucks to be you" situation. Without any way to filter who you're playing against, you're SOL if your goals are different from the majority's.
OT: The only two things on the OP's list that are really off limits are the last two, glitching and hacking. Everything else is just playing the game as it was intended, and if you don't like that, you're better off finding a game that matches you than you are trying to change the rules of one which doesn't.
EDIT: Just so you know Owyn, I'm not talking to you, I'm just using your argument.