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Kogarian

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I just finished A Clockwork Orange last night. Very good book, I have to say. My friend is letting me borrow Slaughter House Five tomorrow. I have this rather broad list of more well-known books I want to read, and I'm making pretty good progress.

But I'm waiting for Bernard Cornwell to come out with his next book.
 

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Labyrinth said:
urprobablyright said:
Anachronism said:
No love for Sam Vimes, though? As far as well-rounded characters go, he's definitely one of, if not the best in the series. I will always have a soft spot for Detritus, though. Got to love the Piecemaker.

As far as favourite books go, as I said before, Going Postal is definitely up there. Night Watch is one of my favourites too. I didn't particularly enjoy Equal Rites, though. I'm not really sure why; I think it's just that I don't particularly enjoy novels where the main character is a child, particularly when they're of the extremely dense variety that Esk was.
Oh well, I like Vimes alot. He's probably 5th on my list (CMOT Dibbler is probably #4 lol - or Ridcully [wiz]) But he just wasn't as dynamic as the other characters, it seemed to me. His plots came through his navigating the city, and dealing with social issues (i guess he's pratchet's tool for when he wants to write that kind of novel) as opposed to stuff like Rincewind's trip to the upside-down dragon mount...

I also didn't think Equal Rights was so hot. It took me a while to read it, I hardly remember the ending anymore. I think the best Weatherwax book was either Carpe Jugulum or Lords and Ladies. Both dealt with ideas of social outcasts/social rank divides, and I think that's something that suits Granny as she is a character who transcends and neutralises said class rifts.
I feel it's about time to mention The Sweeper and Susan. They've got to be two of my favourite characters, Lu Tze because he's just so funny and Susan well.. who doesn't love the badass teacher who just happens to be Death's granddaughter? Hell, I'd be her if I could for the hell of it.
Have to agree there, Laby. Apart from Moist and Vimesy, Susan and Lu Tze are my favourites by far :) I mean, a Sweeper whose wisdom comes from the great Mrs Cosmopolite has to be a good thing, and Susan's great too. Plus, she kicks Auditor ass...

And chews bubblegum. And she's all out of gum... but strangely enough well stocked up on chocolate :s
 

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elricik said:
I just finished "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy and now am on "A Canticle for Lebowitz."
The Road is amazing, I can't wait for the movie in the fall. I've heard A Canticle for Liebowitz is good, too, let us know what you think.

In the post-apocalypse vein, I'm soon going to start a book called Riddley Walker [http://www.amazon.com/Riddley-Walker-Expanded-Afterword-Glossary/dp/0253212340/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242701366&sr=1-1] by Russel Hoban. It's written in a made-up dialect (ie instead of "particles" it's "party-cools") so it's probably not going to be a breezy read, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I'll write more when I'm finished.

(and I'll shamelessly take any opportunity to plug my favorite band, Clutch: this is The Rapture of Riddley Walker [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMA2fAAFUs4], inspired by the book, and actually how I first heard of it)
 

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I've been reading The Pilgrim's Progress, and well...don't take this the wrong way, as there's a lot of similar literature to this that I enjoy, but I absolutely hate this book.

Mechanically, the book is not separated in any way, shape, or form. There are no chapters, sections, or such. There are just long paragraphs and a Part One and Part Two, and then that's it! There is rarely anyway to punctually or contextually tell whether who's speaking and how dialogue is transitioned. The narrative is rambling and repetitive.

Style-wise, it is quite possibly the most preachy, uninhibited, self-important writing I've ever encountered. The character is an unfiltered Gary Sue, who starts out somewhat sympathetic but becomes increasingly dull and unlikable as the story descends (irony, haha) into black-and-white conceptualization. There is practically zero subtlety in the presentation, as the whole thing is basically one extended slideshow of metaphors and allusions. Characters are named Pliable and Hypocrisy and Hategood, and what they like, personality-wise? Pliable! Hypocritical! Hates Good! John Bunyan, you just blew my mind.

It's old and supposed to be profound, but I found little actual substance in it, in terms of theology or the idea of salvation. It consistently regurgitates old ideas, dressing them up in thinly-veiled imagery and symbolism. It's antagonistic and challenging, often without backing up its arguments sufficiently.

To think that it's the second most read book in the world boggles the mind. Maybe I'm missing something, but my diagnosis of it is that it's just boring, difficult, and very self-righteous, even for a Christian book. Keep in mind that I thoroughly enjoy Dante's Inferno. But The Pilgrim's Progress? Skip it.
 

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Labyrinth said:
Recommended, and read it alongside Animal Farm (Orwell) and Brave New World (Huxley).
And We (Zamyatin), an attack on regimented communistic utopian ideals, probably the first work to be banned by Soviet censors. I'm not going to talk about it at length because, well, you already know a lot about it just from having me mention the theme. Just remember that it's written in 1921, so many of the things that seems like jabs at the USSR are actually also prescient jabs at the future USSR.

Plus, Orwell claimed that Huxley ripped off We and denied it, so how can you not read it just on that basis alone?

-- Alex
 

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I thought Snow Crash was clever and unique a must for any Sci-fi reader. Also Machiavelli's "The Prince" is amazing for anybody who likes the Renaissance era
 

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Sifting through the stacks of books currently occupying my floorspace I came across something I haven't seen in years.

Brian Jacques was one of my favourite childhood authors. His anthropomorphic tales of a world inhabited by sentient creatures encouraged many hours of fascination. The Redwall Abbey series are based in a forest around a monastery called, believe it or not, Redwall. Many of the books revolve around the period in which Redwall was established while others come much later.

The writing style of the series is very apt for a childhood audience. It's not the sort of thing I'd read now unless I was badly in need of a deus-ex-machina happy ending but they're good anyway.
 

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Everyone knows (and most people adore) George Orwell's 1984 or Animal Farm, but has anyone else read a book of his called Down and Out in Paris and London?

It's a semi-autobiographical account of being a kitchen worker in Paris and living the life of a tramp in London. While the book was written quite a while ago (it was Orwell's first novel, I think), it's really depressing to realize how little has been done to try and end poverty.

While it's not the masterpiece that is 1984, I thought it was a very interesting and sobering read; one that still manages to be relevant after all this time.
 

Labyrinth

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zoozilla said:
Everyone knows (and most people adore) George Orwell's 1984 or Animal Farm, but has anyone else read a book of his called Down and Out in Paris and London?

It's a semi-autobiographical account of being a kitchen worker in Paris and living the life of a tramp in London. While the book was written quite a while ago (it was Orwell's first novel, I think), it's really depressing to realize how little has been done to try and end poverty.

While it's not the masterpiece that is 1984, I thought it was a very interesting and sobering read; one that still manages to be relevant after all this time.
My English teacher keeps nudging me towards this as a revealing look at the world of poverty. I've added it to my Grand List of books I need to read at some point. Chances are it's somewhere in my house.
 

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ThaBenMan said:
elricik said:
I just finished "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy and now am on "A Canticle for Lebowitz."
The Road is amazing, I can't wait for the movie in the fall. I've heard A Canticle for Liebowitz is good, too, let us know what you think.

In the post-apocalypse vein, I'm soon going to start a book called Riddley Walker [http://www.amazon.com/Riddley-Walker-Expanded-Afterword-Glossary/dp/0253212340/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242701366&sr=1-1] by Russel Hoban. It's written in a made-up dialect (ie instead of "particles" it's "party-cools") so it's probably not going to be a breezy read, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I'll write more when I'm finished.

(and I'll shamelessly take any opportunity to plug my favorite band, Clutch: this is The Rapture of Riddley Walker [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMA2fAAFUs4], inspired by the book, and actually how I first heard of it)
I'm about half way through "A Canticle for Lebowitz" and as post apocalyptic novels go "The Road" is pretty much the polar opposite of Lebowitz. But I will probable finish it in a few days, but I really do love the post apocalyptic setting, so I might look up "Riddley Walker".
 

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I haven't seen any references to Mary Shelley yet. I was completely blown away by the book Frankenstein when I read it in high school. The creature is totally portrayed falsely in modern media and cinema. It does an incredible job at portraying how a man's obsession can be his downfall and that just because you have the abliity to create something doesn't mean you should. For me it reflected the fate and nature of humanity as a whole.
 

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Labyrinth said:
Sifting through the stacks of books currently occupying my floorspace I came across something I haven't seen in years.

Brian Jacques was one of my favourite childhood authors. His anthropomorphic tales of a world inhabited by sentient creatures encouraged many hours of fascination. The Redwall Abbey series are based in a forest around a monastery called, believe it or not, Redwall. Many of the books revolve around the period in which Redwall was established while others come much later.

The writing style of the series is very apt for a childhood audience. It's not the sort of thing I'd read now unless I was badly in need of a deus-ex-machina happy ending but they're good anyway.
Hell I'm 20 yrs old and still enjoy them, though the most recent books (not including THE most recent books) don't seem to reference the older novels enough for my liking. I loved reading Redwall and then the prequel Mossflower and recognising locations events and characters that influence events in the future.
 

ThaBenMan

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Frankenstein is indeed awesome, pretty much the only book that I was assigned for school that I actually completely read and enjoyed.
 

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urprobablyright said:
Crime and Punishment is a book that I'd recommend to anyone interested in psychology and criminology. It's an adventure into the mind of one Raskolnikov, and into the results of the things he does in St. Petersburg, leading to his downfall. I've got the Pevear and Volokhonsky English translation, and it seems to be fantastic enough to carry the original weight.

I would describe Raskolnikov as a tragic hero in the manner of his psychological progression. Once he has killed the pawn broker and started on the mental journey, his mistake quickly leads to a downward spiral of logical judgement, and numerable fits and periods of illness which are the reason that the detectives find him out.

It was the 'perfect' murder in the sense that not only did Raskolnikov manage to hide the evidence, but he also had the fortune of another person coming under the delusion that they committed the crime, saving him for a while. Despite this, his tragedy continued with the suffering of his sister and mother weighing him down.

Eventually, Raskolnikov gives himself up to end the mental punishment he has been putting himself through since the crime was in fact committed. His penal servitude brings out a number of other mental characteristics which intrigue a psychological mindset.

Well written for the most part, Dostoevsky threw in the occasional slow section of text, but it is impossible to skip more than a paragraph or two without losing the plot entirely. There is simply so much to this story.
 

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My favorite authors are S.D. Perry, who wrote the Resident Evil book series, and Stephen King who just writes good books.

I guess I will give a rundown on the RE book series.

The first book, of course takes place at and about the area of Raccoon city. The second book focuses on a different renegade S.T.A.R.S. group who is also trying to stop Umbrella. The third, (and in my opinion the best) is about the zombification of Raccoon city, following the events after book one. Book four, is about the renegade group from book two and the original group from book one attempting to prevent the creation of a new tyrant monster. Book five, is about Jill and her desperate attempts to escape Raccoon city.

Overall: me, I personally loved the books and highly suggest that fans and newcomers alike read the series. But the books do not follow the same line as the games, so expect a couple of confusing moments.

Sorry, it seems I have given a short review, but there is no other way I can think of to talk about the best series I ever read. Anyhow, does anyone know where I can find the book Atlas Shrugged? I have wanted to read that since Bioshock came out.=/

As for best solitary book I have read, I loved the Hearts in Atlantis book. It gave a good visual and idea of what it was like back in the 60s, with a Stephen King twist or two. Loved it, and now I want to see if the movie is any good.
 

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I'm currently reading the short stories of James Tiptree Jr. (Alice Sheldon). Her work stands well as both science fiction and literature.

I think Tiptree very much represents the best of "New Wave" science fiction -- stylistic experimentation, taboo-breaking, sexually and politically charged writing -- without becoming mired in the New Wave's own tropes or its tendency towards arrogance. Her work also helped lay the groundwork for sci-fi's next bit of counterculture (cyberpunk).

Death is big in Tiptree's writing. Not only the death of the body but the death of the spirit, the death of cultures and peoples. For Tiptree, our lives and our selves are fragile, and all too readily we stride forward, confident and oblivious, to meet our own demise. Scientific over-confidence will destroy us. The conglomeration of media will destroy us. Curiosity and wanderlust will destroy us. Xenophilia will destroy us. Sexual aggression will destroy us. One man's love of nature will destroy us. One man's simple desire for home will destroy us.

-- Alex
 

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urprobablyright said:
The long bits are fine when they are more than just tension-building.. and building.. and building. A problem is that if you skim-read them you miss bits of the plot you don't realise you've missed until much later. My usual reading habits can be problematic in that kind of situation. Alas.