Logic failures in video games.

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Doctor Robert

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Halo 3-You can watch hundreds of Scarabs being built in that Assembly level...so why do they send 3 after you in the whole game?
Team Fortress 2-How does the Sniper refill his Jarates so fast? How much can one man piss?
Left 4 Dead-Most of the characters never used guns before, so how do they reload so damn fast?
Gears of War-Dom has a big freakin' knife on his chest, so why do I punch enemies to melee half of the time?
It just goes on.
The only game I can't complain about is Katamari. Their isn't a grain of logic in the whole damn series.
 

TK421

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When I can SEE the effing arrow sticking out of the body of a rat or some such on Oblivion, but then I go to loot and get my arrow back, And it's not there.
 

Eclectic Dreck

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stinkychops said:
Thats due to the number of shots it can fire. A Deagle or even Barret often proves less effective at killing personnel and is essentially 'overkill' when it does.
Again, you are mistaken. It is not the number of shots that the M2HB fires that makes it staggeringly lethal - if that were the case it would hardly count as it features the lowest cycle rate of any machine gun currently in the US armory. Single .50 BMG rounds have sufficient energy to punch through an inch of armor grade steel at 200 yards - and in fact the M2 was commissioned originally as an anti-tank weapon. The energy present in the round is staggering - when I say single rounds turn people into hamburger I mean precisely that. It doesn't take multiple rounds to do the job - a single shot to the torso generally results with a substantial portion of the person's internal organs being displaced across the scenery. Yes there is certainly a degree of overkill present but this doesn't make it anything less than stupidly lethal. One does not simply get shot by such a weapon and shrug it off - no body armor in any nation's arsenel comes close to halting the round and a relatively minor wound for such a weapon generally involves partial amputation.

The .50 AE round - the very round fired by the Desert Eagle, is certainly less powerful. The round itself is lighter and it sports a much lower muzzle velocity. That said, it still ranks very high in terms of muzzle energy present and represents an excellent manstopping round. The reason why the round and indeed the weapon is seen as something of a failure is simply because the sheer size of the round makes it prone to jamming and the energy present makes it somewhat uncomfortable to shoot and difficult to apply follow up shots with.

The Barret, by which I assume you mean weapons like the M95 are not "sniper rifles" by any stretch and are instead classified as anti-material rifles. They feature much longer range and dramatically increased stopping power over the M24 (the current US sniper rifle, which is a heavily modified Remington 700). So, why exactly would one use an M24 if the M95 exists? It boils down to a fairly complex answer. First, the M95 is large an unwieldy and a combat load consiting of only the weapon and ammunition is well over 40 lbs. The second reason is the more important one. Why would a sniper choose to carry this monstorous weapon when they are more than capable of killing a man at impossible ranges with a much lighter one? That isn't to say that the M95 and similar weapons cannot or are not used in sniper roles, it simply means that this was not the intention of such weapons. The M95 is used to destroy crucial bits of machinery, and fills a battlefield role generally similar to that of any of a variety of guided missiles.
 

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benbenthegamerman said:
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Also, in Arkham Asylum, the joker goes on a killing spree, whether it be guards or his own henchman, yet BATMAN, somebody who beats the joker every time, cant kill somebody from beating the everloving crap out of them.
Wonder how many henchmen batman`s left braindead or crippled during his lifetime?
probably why theres an asylum in gotham in the first place.
Yeah, I mean...based on what I've seen in the game Batman has a bad tendency to kick/punch people right on the top of the head - which is way more likely to cause a concussion. And then he just leaves them there instead of calling in an ambulance. He might as well just stab them with a batarang while they're down and save them from life in a wheelchair. Or a life as a vegetable.
 

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How Samus loses all of her weaponry at the beginning of a game, but if something exactly the same/similar happens later in the game, she'll be fine with the exception of whatever damage she takes.
 

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maeson said:
Fallout3, I can't disguise myself by wearing appropriate clothing. I.E. Even full sets such as power armor that hide EVERYTHING. And quite honestly, in all the big and wide Raider encampments, you'd think that I'd have a chance of stealthy approach by quietly snuffing some dude, maybe even from an another camp, taking his armor, changing clothes, using some mud. And voila!
I don't know if anyone has already brought it up to you, but you see, that's why you need to play the PC version with mods! Someone already fixed this so it can happen.
 

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Charli said:
The fatal flaw here my friend is you have placed the word 'Logic' and the term 'Video games' in a single sentence.


... that being said the gravity in alot of final fantasy games of late is simply trippy.
So true, and the more video games try to be logical(or realistic) the more I hate it!

For instance, in Uncharted 2, how the fuck are you supposed to jump from one rooftop of a train to the other while the train is going at 70km an hour? But trying to make it realistic would make it frustrating and annoying, thus I am not complaining.
 

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Painkiller can gtfo.

Stationary Headshots from 50 cal and they live and I see that stupid pill icon. grrr.
 

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Magnalian said:
blue heartless said:
jobobob said:
Why dont people just send in an army instead of an elite team of 1 person and 3 stupid gorrilas? (Most FPS)
Well, it's not entirely illogical. A cell of 4 guys are less likely to be noticed than say, a few thousand infantrymen.
True, but if the job requires a few thousand infantrymen, a nuke will suffice in most cases.
Yeah, but then you'd have to deal with the nuclear winter, and nobody's going to want to go out and shovel all that snow.
 

Mighty Lighty

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In assasins creed 2 where the guards recognise A MAN IN WHITE FRILLY CLOTHING sitting on a bench or in the middle if a group eben though he`s the only man in italy to wear WHITE FRILLY CLOTHING
 

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stinkychops said:
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My problem with the cars in Fallout 3 is that if there was a nuclear apocalypse, wouldn't the first survivors siphon the fuel out of those cars. I'm sure gasoline is worth something in a wasteland.
The cars use fusion/fisson reactors (It's never specified) to power an electric engine, not a combustion engine. The reactors use nuclear fuel such as uranium, not petrol.
Although this is all academic, since according to one MikaelGrizzly & Wikipedia, nuclear reactors do not explode. They can become exposed & release huge amounts of radiation into the surrounding area & the boiler can explode, but no mushroom-cloud explosion would occur.

ScaredCougar said:
No, no, no..the biggest problem I thought was you could take a combat shotgun to the face and sleep it off.
And yes, this is something we've hitherto overlooked.
Untrue, if in shooting it you somehow removed the control substance, and then the reactor began, as contrived as this is, it could easily result in a nuclear blast.
actually, reactors use U238, an isotope of uranium that does not have runaway reactions like
weapons grade uranium, namely U235, does. It will explode from massive heat creating a dirty bomb, but will not explode in the same way hiroshima did.
Oh, so it would explode as a standard explosive charge does and spread the pollutant radiants around?
Works along the lines of what the other chap was saying.
Eclectic Dreck said:
stinkychops said:
I always knew it would prove to be a turd in reality, and standard games like to use so many explosions they have to render them pathetic. So we're really just arguing over which logical failure the dev's have made, I guess I'll just say both. Even the unexploded nuke in megaton doesent have a large enough blast in my rather uniformed opinion.
Video games, in general, do a terrible job of replicating just how fantastically lethal the modern battlefield is. It doesn't take nuclear weapons to neutralize a square kilometer of space - a single divisional artillery group can do the job inside of 20 seconds. People don't shrug off .50 caliber machine gun (or rifle for that matter) fire - rounds from such a weapon turn people into hamburger in single shots. Hell - MW2 has an excellent example in multiplayer. When one calls in a flight of stealth bombers, they find that the total payload of the plane is sufficient only to kill people in a strip less than a dozen meters wide and less than 100 meters long. In reality, there is enough firepower packed into that plane to reduce any given map in the game to gravel.
I always found it funny that they used .50 cals on standard enemy personel. Those weapons are designed against armour, or perhaps in strong winds. They actually prove less effective when it comes to killing a person, unless you can insure that you'll hit a vital spot.

Lower rounds ricochet, get imbedded or break apart inside the body. This proves more fatal (while less demoralising, and taking more time) than the .50 calibre shots.
Shit I`m learning stuff now I need to smash my face into a wall to make me forget it
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
Prototype.
The military is on the lookout for a man who can morph, glide through the air and has superhuman strength. But their not the least bit suspecious about one of their own men running up the Empire State building with a fucking Taxi?
Ha, I remember laughing at this aswell.
"Look up there sir, a flying dude just dismantled a cadillac! He's our man, sir!!"
"Is he wearing a hoodie? No, no he's not. You need to pay more attention, son. That's why I'm a Captain, and you're still a Sergeant. Let's call of the choppers."
 

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dietpeachsnapple said:
.22s, in the simplest explanation have far less mass. This equates to less energy as it hits your body.

What we are talking about, specifically, is stopping power. Shotguns and bigger bullets (the AK-47 if we are talking regular combat, the .50 Barret if we are talking sheer power) have the most stopping power. Arguable, as the opposite in dimension, the .22 has the least stopping power.

Different vests care for varying amounts of damage. If you are wearing a type IV tactical vest, you can stop a regular .50 round. You are going to wish you were dead, but you will have stopped the round. Putting that against a .22, however, you will probably be quite immune.

As a general statement - count on a good vest to save your life - but do not expect it to spare you the pain.
Aye... he was in the guards and they are not exactly the best equiped of units, though sadly that can be said for the regular military as well. Yeah... you can tell I'm not just the little bit jaded over troops having to 'armour up' on their own dime even though I could kick Bush in the balls over the whole Iraq war thing for using them so badly to begin with. Sort of a double insult to people who deserve to be looked after the most by the government, those that might have be called on by the state to give their lives.

In any case I was trying to show a real life example where even one of the smallest calibre put someone flat on their arse while wearing a vest. You don't just shake off being shot even when the vest catches the bullet. You bruise, you break bones, tear muscles and just the shock of being shot alone can drop you. But hey, you don't have any holes.