Looks like the Quickscopers are getting their way...

[Baron von Blitztank]

Is it me or has this been happening alot since they changed Cole McGrath's new look for Infamous 2?

 

[Jamieson 90]

On the other hand, they're focusing on THIS and not the spawn system?!

Almost every game's spawn system sucks now because noobs in the past complaining about getting spawn camped.

One team should spawn on one side of the map and the other team on the opposite side. If your team gets spawn camped in that setup, it's the team's fault for letting the enemy push them so far back. Also, I don't think any game does this except for Metal Gear Online, make it so when you spawn, you have about 5 seconds of invulnerability; however, once you do anything but move like aim, you lose the invulnerability. If it's some kind of mode where you take over bases or something, then you can spawn at the places your team has. The only online games this gen where I actually like the spawn system are Metal Gear Online, MAG, and Warhawk because none of those games features moving spawns.

If you are interested in spawn systems then you should look at Section 8 (PC). It had the best spawn system I have ever seen. You drop in from space and enter the atmosphere, not only that but you choose where to drop and how fast you dropped by deciding when to activate your air brake. It has the reverse effect basicly, people on the ground have to be careful because anyone respawning can drop in on them. It made defenders use Anti air guns to stop people dropping on their bases.

So you would start off by dropping outside the base outside the AA guns range. You then attack the base and take out the AA guns. once their down your teammates can drop in and help take out the base and take it over. You then build AA guns and try to stop the other team taking it back, pretty fun when you had 5 bases on a map. Shame the game had so many other problems.

 

[LightspeedJack]

Whats the point of Quickscoping? You can't do it in real life it's just a glitch that makes the game more annoying for those of us who would rather play the game properly.

 

[GWarface]

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It is that simple, theres it nothing to it. When I had a go I looked about about an inch to the left of the end of the barrel, thats kind of the kill zone.

After 5 or 6 matches you get okay at it, after that it's just more practice. I only ever used it when taken by suprise and had no time to weapon swap.

More on topic. I knew this would happen, all the bitchy little kids (who shouldn't have the game!) getting there own way.

I hate people.

I never played CoD so i didnt really know what quickscoping was all about...
Now i know... And now i really REALLY know why i dont play CoD...

That shit is just ridiculous...
Good if they removed it from Black Ops, but then they want to put it back in? Or am i missing something?
Im just shocked that anyone besides 12 year old kids would find that a fun way to play...

 

[omega 616]

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It is that simple, theres it nothing to it. When I had a go I looked about about an inch to the left of the end of the barrel, thats kind of the kill zone.

After 5 or 6 matches you get okay at it, after that it's just more practice. I only ever used it when taken by suprise and had no time to weapon swap.

More on topic. I knew this would happen, all the bitchy little kids (who shouldn't have the game!) getting there own way.

I hate people.

I never played CoD so i didnt really know what quickscoping was all about...
Now i know... And now i really REALLY know why i dont play CoD...

That shit is just ridiculous...
Good if they removed it from Black Ops, but then they want to put it back in? Or am i missing something?
Im just shocked that anyone besides 12 year old kids would find that a fun way to play...

Thats just the tip of the ice burg, click to pause when you hear the gun shot on the kill cam, it's about 17 seconds in.


The reticule isn't even over him, it's just the aim assist making up for it. Thats why people use it, gives you an advantage over just about everybody.

 

[GWarface]

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It is that simple, theres it nothing to it. When I had a go I looked about about an inch to the left of the end of the barrel, thats kind of the kill zone.

After 5 or 6 matches you get okay at it, after that it's just more practice. I only ever used it when taken by suprise and had no time to weapon swap.

More on topic. I knew this would happen, all the bitchy little kids (who shouldn't have the game!) getting there own way.

I hate people.

I never played CoD so i didnt really know what quickscoping was all about...
Now i know... And now i really REALLY know why i dont play CoD...

That shit is just ridiculous...
Good if they removed it from Black Ops, but then they want to put it back in? Or am i missing something?
Im just shocked that anyone besides 12 year old kids would find that a fun way to play...

Thats just the tip of the ice burg, click to pause when you hear the gun shot on the kill cam, it's about 17 seconds in.


The reticule isn't even over him, it's just the aim assist making up for it. Thats why people use it, gives you an advantage over just about everybody.

Aim Assist? I guess, and hope, that is only for consoles...
But seriously, who finds it fun to play a game that aims for you?
For me, Aim Assist is just a (plain stupid) way to fix fucked up controls and if you tell me the PC version also has it, then i have lost all hope for future FPS's...

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I really like your argument, and so far makes the most sense out of anything I have read. I would ask if you think that the need/usefullness of a sniper is any better in other games, like Battlefield:BC2? I gave up on COD when the numerous exploits/cheats were poping up for MW2. A friend got me into BF:BC2, and it seems to have a better place for a sniper than the COD franchise. The maps are LARGE and in the objective based games can have the tide of the battle turned by a well places sniper covering the objective. I don't remember if COD has this but BF has bullit drop, and shooting even 1/3 of the distance across the map will require bullit drop to be accounted for. Now this is not to say that the community playing BF:BC2 is any more mature/not-lone-gunman than in COD, but to your argument, I think the BF franchise has done a better job with the sniper class and creating and environment where a sniper can be justified (except for the mortar strike, that is just kinda cheep).

While Bad Company 2 still has a strange sniping related issue (which is, you can put a red dot sight on one of the semi-automatic sniper rifles getting a weapon more lethal than the M-14 that is easier to aim in short to medium range battles), very generally it does the job better because the class has a legitimate reason to exist.

The sniper rifle itself serves perfectly fine as a support weapon largely because the player is able to sit so very far away from the battle. They largely serve to remove static defenders and defenses but have been known to be useful if properly positioned to cover an armed crate. They also serve as one of the many methods of tank destruction though their method is, all said, probably the least effective. I know that it is rare that a mortar strike alone will take out a tank when I'm driving at least. On the defensive, they serve largely in the role of counter sniper and anti-vehicle.

 

[TerranReaper]

If they can implemented it where it is balanced, I'm not going to complain. Seems like no one here knows what actual balance is, where they think nerfing something to the point of being useless is what should be done to the overpowered weapon.

 

[omega 616]

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It is that simple, there's it nothing to it. When I had a go I looked about about an inch to the left of the end of the barrel, that's kind of the kill zone.

After 5 or 6 matches you get okay at it, after that it's just more practice. I only ever used it when taken by surprise and had no time to weapon swap.

More on topic. I knew this would happen, all the bitchy little kids (who shouldn't have the game!) getting there own way.

I hate people.

I never played CoD so i didn't really know what quickscoping was all about...
Now i know... And now i really REALLY know why i don't play CoD...

That shit is just ridiculous...
Good if they removed it from Black Ops, but then they want to put it back in? Or am i missing something?
Im just shocked that anyone besides 12 year old kids would find that a fun way to play...

That's just the tip of the ice burg, click to pause when you hear the gun shot on the kill cam, it's about 17 seconds in.


The reticule isn't even over him, it's just the aim assist making up for it. That's why people use it, gives you an advantage over just about everybody.

Aim Assist? I guess, and hope, that is only for consoles...
But seriously, who finds it fun to play a game that aims for you?
For me, Aim Assist is just a (plain stupid) way to fix fucked up controls and if you tell me the PC version also has it, then i have lost all hope for future FPS's...

I will go get my asbestos suit for this one.

This is just what I have heard, SOME pc games I HAVE HEARD, have aim assist to a much less severe degree.

Consoles need it like a fat kid needs cake, given enough time we would get used to it without aim assist, to keep all the super leet kiddies happy they keep it in so things like this happen and they get to call it skill/luck.

What they are too young to understand is there relying heavily on this feature.

They like it 'cos it's easy to do well and get the super cool kill streaks.

 

[Vrach]

This isn't giving in to quickscopers, it's fixing something utterly retarded (especially if it was shipped with the PC version considering it doesn't utilize auto-aim). Honestly, I am utterly amazed that they could've shipped snipers that would miss in the first few seconds without someone saying "hey guys, anyone else think this is a spectacularly stupid idea?".

Wanna fix quickscoping? Take off the auto aim and don't make the sniper rifle a one hit kill weapon.

In short, see BFBC2 ^^

 

[Something Amyss]

Seems like a reasonable compromise.

 

[GWarface]

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It is that simple, theres it nothing to it. When I had a go I looked about about an inch to the left of the end of the barrel, thats kind of the kill zone.

After 5 or 6 matches you get okay at it, after that it's just more practice. I only ever used it when taken by suprise and had no time to weapon swap.

More on topic. I knew this would happen, all the bitchy little kids (who shouldn't have the game!) getting there own way.

I hate people.

I never played CoD so i didnt really know what quickscoping was all about...
Now i know... And now i really REALLY know why i dont play CoD...

That shit is just ridiculous...
Good if they removed it from Black Ops, but then they want to put it back in? Or am i missing something?
Im just shocked that anyone besides 12 year old kids would find that a fun way to play...

Thats just the tip of the ice burg, click to pause when you hear the gun shot on the kill cam, it's about 17 seconds in.


The reticule isn't even over him, it's just the aim assist making up for it. Thats why people use it, gives you an advantage over just about everybody.

Aim Assist? I guess, and hope, that is only for consoles...
But seriously, who finds it fun to play a game that aims for you?
For me, Aim Assist is just a (plain stupid) way to fix fucked up controls and if you tell me the PC version also has it, then i have lost all hope for future FPS's...

I will go get my asbestos suit for this one.

This is just what I have heard, SOME pc games I HAVE HEARD, have aim assist to a much less sevre degree.

Consoles need it like a fat kid needs cake, given enough time we would get used to it without aim assist, to keep all the super leet kiddies happy they keep it in so things like this happen and they get to call it skill/luck.

What they are too young to understand is there relying heavily on this feature.

They like it 'cos it's easy to do well and get the super cool kill streaks.

The only PC games i can think of where i have seen an option for Aim Assist, was some Pre Steam Half-Life mods and thats a long time ago.. But then again, i havent played all games that exists...

My point is, i really cant understand why they would make a game for a platform with such obvious lack of proper controls... And then fixing it with something that would get you banned in any pc game. I just cant get my head around whats so fun about it...

But its propably just me, i have hated shooters on consoles ever sinces i tried GTA3 on playstation... It just doesnt have the same movement freedom you have with a keyboard and mouse...
I would rather train my skills like a madman, than playing a game that actively helps you play...
And when i rarely feel the urge to go on a wicked killstreak, i would always prefere to play CSS or Red Orchestra with some stupid ass bots... That way i dont ruin other peoples game either..

 

[Crazyjay]

who cares if they can quickscope, its been around for ages, and its not like anybody is good at it. the spawn system has been broken in CoD forever, there is almost no way to fix it.

 

[MR T3D]

This isn't giving in to quickscopers, it's fixing something utterly retarded (especially if it was shipped with the PC version considering it doesn't utilize auto-aim). Honestly, I am utterly amazed that they could've shipped snipers that would miss in the first few seconds without someone saying "hey guys, anyone else think this is a spectacularly stupid idea?".

Wanna fix quickscoping? Take off the auto aim and don't make the sniper rifle a one hit kill weapon.

In short, see BFBC2 ^^

no, because in BC2, the typicial engagement range is long enough that a aimed shot from a 1/4 mile away is more common for snipers.
for fun, I run the SV98 with the 4x, and that thing is a BEAST in closer range (IE typicial CoD range) fights, allowing for ridiculously silly antics. I think no one really minds because it means I'm also giving sensor BALLS OF STEEL and doing flag caps and (dis)arms on crates. making CoD snipers like BC2 would make q-scoping too damn easy.

While Bad Company 2 still has a strange sniping related issue (which is, you can put a red dot sight on one of the semi-automatic sniper rifles getting a weapon more lethal than the M-14 that is easier to aim in short to medium range battles), very generally it does the job better because the class has a legitimate reason to exist.

dude, the T88 and SVU are the same in firerate, damage as the M14/M1.
I'd argue that the M14 and M1 are better *because* they're not class limited, and don't take up slot 1 specialization to use closer-range. yeah, no optics, but the T88 and SVU need reason to exist.
I love to derail a thread to a better game!

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Seems like Treyarch are giving in and are going to make a compromise with the quickscopers.

My personal feeling on this is that I'm glad the Snipers won't suck as much, but I really hope it doesn't devolve into half the community going into games just to run around not playing objectives and screaming abuse at the 'hardscoping noobs', like in past COD games.

COD4 was pretty much a waste of time by the end due to half of every lobby just wanting to quickscope. I sometimes felt like I was the only one who remembered there were flags to cap.

I have no problem with people using quickscoping as it seems to require some skill (I certainly cannot do it), I just don't like when it's all they focus on at the expense of their team.

My wish? Give them their own playlist. Quickscopers only lobby. That way their spinning 360 ladder shots and ultra-1337 montage gameplay won't interfere with the majority of us who just want to play the game properly.

It's just plain bullshit that you had to wait about 3 seconds for your bullet to go where you are aiming. I've never played a game where I had to wait to shoot when I'm aiming at someone. I made the topic "Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops" and I don't even snipe and didn't even buy a CoD since CoD4 and I realized how stupid it was and how much of a noob that Treyarch dev was. The issue with quickscoping was the exploitation of aim-assist, not the actual quickscoping. The Treyarch fix was just retarded and the laziest way to fix the issue. It's not like quickscopers actually even had the best KDRs, the ARs and SMGs were still the better guns.

I just gave a peak at the Swastika CoD thread, why would you expect the community to actually be anything but crap? I read that lots of people were using Swastikas, penises, and bestiality pics, not even Metal Gear Online is that immature. The thing that would make CoD a much better online game and pretty much every online game with just matchmaking is allow the players to create rooms so you can kick all the assholes. I don't get why people put up with such awful experiences to play a devolved FPS in the first place.

So basically what you really want is dedicated servers or proper hosting? As that is what you seem to be looking for.

Sniper Rifles have no place in this game full stop. Games like Battlefield 1943 have HUGE maps and thats the point of a Sniper Rifle. Kills over tremendous distances. No CoD game as far as I can remember has had any map to rival a Battlefield game.

Treyarch, ditch the Snipers...They aren't fucking needed in your game
Either that or get some bigger maps
I'd take either as a solution

Not the same as Battlefield but maps like Brecourt and Big Red in CoD2 were mroe than big enough for snipers.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

he sounds like he doesn't want it to change. And neither do I. Some people stopped using snipers because they couldn't quickscope. They didn't want to use a sniper type weapon because they couldn't use it like a shotgun. When I get this, I'm sticking with bot and system link modes.

This is my plan as well. Don't forget the zombies! Everyone I know seems to forget about the zombies...

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I don't understand how anyone could view "going back to CoD4-style sniping" to be a bad thing. Sniping in CoD4 was perfect. Things started to get out of whack with WaW (hit detection problems) and MW2 (lol SoH Pro). If things were changed back to CoD4 settings, I think that's a win for everyone.

Also, please don't lump all of us snipers in with the 9 year olds who watch youtube videos then try to replicate them, to the detriment of their team. Some of us snipe while playing the objective, and understand that quick scoping is a tool, not a playstyle.

 

[BenzSmoke]

Spoiler: Great now those that can't quickscope will get to experience games like this again.

[small]I know this is technically Aimbot. But that's how it looks and feels to us.[/small]​

Once again players that just want to have fun will be brutally massacred by those that can exploit an unnecessary game mechanic.
Just when I was giving Call of Duty a chance too.