Love for Mccain

[Graustein]

Yeah, actually outlawing abortion does reduce the number of abortions. That's like saying keeping marijuana illegal doesn't affect the amount of it in circulation. Any pot smoker will tell you horror stories of multi-month dry spells they've gone through - we're going through one right now and I haven't been able to find any weed for over 2 months now because of a huge pot bust in our state. You have a point about abstinence education, but to say that we should continue to practice a legal form of (what some consider) murder because people are going to illegally murder anyway is absolutely nonsensical.

Let's put things in perspective. In Australia (New South Wales at least), prostitution is legal. Whores need to be registered and have regular STD tests. I can't think of a single instance in human history where banning prostitution has made one iota of difference. Because it's illegal, a whore can be subject to abuse, STDs, rape, have atrocious pay, and have no recourse because it's a crime. If prostitution is legal but regulated, the risks to her are drastically reduced, because now she has the right to fair pay, the right to seek recourse if she's abused, and so on.

It's a similar situation for abortion. Making it illegal might discourage a few, but there will always be people who want an abortion, and where there's a will, there's a way. If that way is not legal, there is no quality control, no way to ensure the abortion that these people go through is anything more than inventive use of a coathanger, which puts her life at massive risk. Banning abortions doesn't stop abortions, it just makes it more dangerous.

 

[Wolfy01]

I stopped reading this post about 2 sentences into it... I couldn't make heads or tails of it. Can you please use punctuation in something that's meant to be an intelligent argument?

 

[Mr.Pandah]

I read the first few posts and don't fool yourselves. Alternate energy sources are available out there. It is only because of the huge corporations that you are not seeing mass production of Electric cars and what not. A guy over in Italy made a car that runs on air for christ sakes. It is always about money, and how the big whiny corporations can ween themselves off of their oil bottle and finally get their ass in gear and mass produce the electric cars.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Yeah, actually outlawing abortion does reduce the number of abortions.

wrong, it will outlaw the amount of legal ones with certified doctors with oversight performing them, you don't think women won't go to backalley clinics or hop across the border to get one?

That's like saying keeping marijuana illegal doesn't affect the amount of it in circulation. Any pot smoker will tell you horror stories of multi-month dry spells they've gone through - we're going through one right now and I haven't been able to find any weed for over 2 months now because of a huge pot bust in our state.

all that proves is you have bad connection. i've never run out of pot during "dry" spells when the heat's on and there's lots of busts

you can always find pot, just have to know who to talk to

You have a point about abstinence education, but to say that we should continue to practice a legal form of (what some consider) murder because people are going to illegally murder anyway is absolutely nonsensical.

well they'll have a LOT harder time making it illegal again, there's already a lot of precedent about abortion being illegal

Yeah, actually outlawing abortion does reduce the number of abortions. That's like saying keeping marijuana illegal doesn't affect the amount of it in circulation. Any pot smoker will tell you horror stories of multi-month dry spells they've gone through - we're going through one right now and I haven't been able to find any weed for over 2 months now because of a huge pot bust in our state. You have a point about abstinence education, but to say that we should continue to practice a legal form of (what some consider) murder because people are going to illegally murder anyway is absolutely nonsensical.

Let's put things in perspective. In Australia (New South Wales at least), prostitution is legal. Whores need to be registered and have regular STD tests. I can't think of a single instance in human history where banning prostitution has made one iota of difference. Because it's illegal, a whore can be subject to abuse, STDs, rape, have atrocious pay, and have no recourse because it's a crime. If prostitution is legal but regulated, the risks to her are drastically reduced, because now she has the right to fair pay, the right to seek recourse if she's abused, and so on.

actually the act of selling sex isn't illegal, being a prostitute is totally legal. what is illegal is soliciting for the purposes and living off the proceeds of

there are legal brothels in the states, nevada has legal brothels

 

[black lincon]

what was said already

I'm going to throw a quote at you, so get ready
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."-George Santayana
oh and I'll throw this one in for good measure,
"One faces the future with one's past."-Pearl S. Buck

 

[Pseudonym2]

His views on energy are good. Drill offshore.

That's a terrible idea.

1 It will cost a lot money
2 Remember all those hurricanes that keep hitting the gulf? Now imagine drills being there.
3 It will take as much as decade to affect the gas prices.
4. The gas will belong to whoever drills it. Who ever drills it will sell it to the highest bidder, most likely China.
5. It's a short term solution that doesn't help our addiction to oil.

but it helps to ease it as we work on alternative energy sources i.e. solar and wind

Look back at points three and four.

Also Palin is not immune to corruption as she still wanted the "bridge to nowhere" before she realized how unpopular it was. When she opposed the bridge she still kept some of the money anyway.

You claim that a reason to support Palin is feminism (apologies if I'm putting words in your mouth). She charged women for their own rape kits and she opposes mandatory equal pay. Her church in notoriously sexist with the whole "women are supposed to be subservient to men thing."

funny u mention that obamas anti- white people and anti-america pastor is no better....and ive never heard of the sexist church and unfair payment?? can ya get me some proof of that please. and ive heard of the bridge to nowhere but i didnt hear she kept some of the money...again please can ya get me some info on this. this thread is finally getting interesting. thanks

First, try to use proper grammar. Second with the benefit of hindsight, sect would have been a better word.

On equal pay she opposes the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. They the laws the laws are now make it so that if women is paid unequally she only six months to file a lawsuit or else she's stuck with the bad pay. Palin claimed that making so women can't sue if they have been paid less for twenty years a just started asking other people what their salaries are.

She claims that it would be a boon for trial lawyers. (Punishing someone for knowingly braking the law twenty years? Yeah, that would make a good case in court.)

Here's the double speak interview. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490788.shtml

The road to nowhere is at http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-bridge19-2008sep19,0,5316609.story?page=2

Palin's Anti American Lunatic is at http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php

Her church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Council_of_the_Assemblies_of_God_USA (to learn more you would probably have to look it up with a more reliable source)

 

[Graustein]

actually the act of selling sex isn't illegal, being a prostitute is totally legal. what is illegal is soliciting for the purposes and living off the proceeds of

there are legal brothels in the states, nevada has legal brothels

Oh? Damn, that kinda kills my argument somewhat. I knew that it was legal in Nevada, but I was under the impression that elsewhere in the States, selling sex was completely illegal.

 

[ffxfriek]

His views on energy are good. Drill offshore.

That's a terrible idea.

1 It will cost a lot money
2 Remember all those hurricanes that keep hitting the gulf? Now imagine drills being there.
3 It will take as much as decade to affect the gas prices.
4. The gas will belong to whoever drills it. Who ever drills it will sell it to the highest bidder, most likely China.
5. It's a short term solution that doesn't help our addiction to oil.

but it helps to ease it as we work on alternative energy sources i.e. solar and wind

Look back at points three and four.

Also Palin is not immune to corruption as she still wanted the "bridge to nowhere" before she realized how unpopular it was. When she opposed the bridge she still kept some of the money anyway.

You claim that a reason to support Palin is feminism (apologies if I'm putting words in your mouth). She charged women for their own rape kits and she opposes mandatory equal pay. Her church in notoriously sexist with the whole "women are supposed to be subservient to men thing."

funny u mention that obamas anti- white people and anti-america pastor is no better....and ive never heard of the sexist church and unfair payment?? can ya get me some proof of that please. and ive heard of the bridge to nowhere but i didnt hear she kept some of the money...again please can ya get me some info on this. this thread is finally getting interesting. thanks

First, try to use proper grammar. Second with the benefit of hindsight, sect would have been a better word.

On equal pay she opposes the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. They the laws the laws are now make it so that if women is paid unequally she only six months to file a lawsuit or else she's stuck with the bad pay. Palin claimed that making so women can't sue if they have been paid less for twenty years a just started asking other people what their salaries are.

She claims that it would be a boon for trial lawyers. (Punishing someone for knowingly braking the law twenty years? Yeah, that would make a good case in court.)

Here's the double speak interview. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490788.shtml

The road to nowhere is at http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-bridge19-2008sep19,0,5316609.story?page=2

Palin's Anti American Lunatic is at http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php

Her church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Council_of_the_Assemblies_of_God_USA (to learn more you would probably have to look it up with a more reliable source)

thanks

 

[ffxfriek]

this is truly interesting althuogh most of the stuff i read isnt true.....

 

[poleboy]

He is from Chicago. Chicago means corrupt.

I've always suspected that everyone in Chichgo wears filt hats, shoots tommyguns while hanging from the side of a 40's car and breaks prohibition on a daily basis. Thanks for confirming my crazy suspicions.

 

[ffxfriek]

He is from Chicago. Chicago means corrupt.

I've always suspected that everyone in Chichgo wears filt hats, shoots tommyguns while hanging from the side of a 40's car and breaks prohibition on a daily basis. Thanks for confirming my crazy suspicions.

not tommy guns but other guns....and instead of prohibition its drugs...and anytime

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

I'm voting for Mccain because he's black.

 

[ffxfriek]

I'm voting for Mccain because he's black.

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[Onyx Oblivion]

I'm voting for Mccain because he's black.

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What? Do I have my facts wrong? Sorry, you want the truth. I'm voting for McCain because it would help to drill here. Not an immediate effect. But it will.

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

*edit*

You know what, no. It's Monday, I've got a mountain of crap to do...just not getting into this.

 

[DeadpanLunatic]

I have removed my words from this site.

 

[Ruffythepirate]

O yeah shit. Taxes. I come from Denmark, and here we have to pay almost 50% of our income to the government. Strangely that haven't destroyed our economy. Maybe if you tried looking beyond your own borders and see what works there before rambling on about how taxes is a deadly poison.
When it comes to Palin, I think McCain did something smart there. I mean, if McCain dies then she becomes the president. Thats assassin insurance baby! Not even the Joker would be crazy enough to kill McCain because then we would have that crazy christian. I'm not sexist or anything, I'd love a female president, just not that particular female president.
But from what we hear in the news over here Obama has a big lead, so what am I whining about?
Also you wouldn't have to increase taxes if you just got your asses out of Iraq and spent the money on something else.

 

[Elurindel]

Where is the love for Mccain as mediocre as he is he's still good and better then Obama. He is from Chicago. Chicago means corrupt. If you higher taxes you destroy jobs. If you put a tax on people with income of 250k+ a year then no one will want to work and you can't expand the company. Plus poverty will continue to rise because no one wants to work because the government will take their money. There's no such thing as free healthcare because the tax payers pay for it. On my final note about how bad Obama is he is pro-choice.

Now McCain on the other hand is pro-life. You can't start a war to end when it gets expensive. Yes the war should've ended a many years ago but no one wanted to get their hands dirty. Lowering taxes creates jobs and you have more money to expand the company. People are always complaining no woman is in the government. Well now Palin is the vice-president candidate and she is a woman and not exposed to corruption. She is pro-life and a good pick overall. Sure I was hoping for maybe Romney or Huckabee but what the heck I like Palin just as well.

I'm curious why would you vote for who. Please no he's better then the other really get into the issues on why. I searched for a thread like this but found none so sorry if its a repeat.

as for me I'm for McCain. His views on energy are good. Drill offshore. I also like how the government would buy bad mortgages and work out a payment plan for people to easily pay them.

You know, for a moment I thought that was satire.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

...If you put a tax on people with income of 250k+ a year then no one will want to work and you can't expand the company. Plus poverty will continue to rise because no one wants to work because the government will take their money...

...You can't start a war to end when it gets expensive. Yes the war should've ended a many years ago but no one wanted to get their hands dirty...

...I also like how the government would buy bad mortgages and work out a payment plan for people to easily pay them...

I'll be honest, I'm not much of political person, I can never seem to muster up the energy to look into it properly, but a few points in your post caught my eye. I've cherry picked them out so I can reply.

Firstly, the idea that people will not want to work because they will pay more tax on their earning when they earn over $250,00 dollars seems a little off to . I'm trying to imagine the sceanrio:

Jim: Hey John, Tracey told me you got that job you went for! A quarter of a million dollars a year! Pretty Sweet!
John: Nah, I turned it down.
Jim: What?! Why'd you do that?
John: Taxes, man, taxes.
Jim: Good point, what are you going to do now?
John: Dunno, panhandle I guess.

Secondly, hands dirty with what? Invading sovereign nations on the flimsiest of pretexts? It's no wonder that no other nation was interested, that almost sounds illegal!

On the last point, I'm perplexed. Helping people with healthcare is bad, but helping them with mortgages is good?

 

[ffxfriek]

...If you put a tax on people with income of 250k+ a year then no one will want to work and you can't expand the company. Plus poverty will continue to rise because no one wants to work because the government will take their money...

...You can't start a war to end when it gets expensive. Yes the war should've ended a many years ago but no one wanted to get their hands dirty...

...I also like how the government would buy bad mortgages and work out a payment plan for people to easily pay them...

I'll be honest, I'm not much of political person, I can never seem to muster up the energy to look into it properly, but a few points in your post caught my eye. I've cherry picked them out so I can reply.


Firstly, the idea that people will not want to work because they will pay more tax on their earning when they earn over $250,00 dollars seems a little off to . I'm trying to imagine the sceanrio:

Jim: Hey John, Tracey told me you got that job you went for! A quarter of a million dollars a year! Pretty Sweet!
John: Nah, I turned it down.
Jim: What?! Why'd you do that?
John: Taxes, man, taxes.
Jim: Good point, what are you going to do now?
John: Dunno, panhandle I guess.

Secondly, hands dirty with what? Invading sovereign nations on the flimsiest of pretexts? It's no wonder that no other nation was interested, that almost sounds illegal!

On the last point, I'm perplexed. Helping people with healthcare is bad, but helping them with mortgages is good?

if its to help fix this economy then buying the mortages and then having the people pay them off with an easier payment plan is then good. its better then pumping paper into the economy just to watch it fall 500+ points in a day