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Pipotchi post=18.75110.857649 said:
ffxfriek post=18.75110.857581 said:
. If you put a tax on people with income of 250k+ a year then no one will want to work and you can't expand the company.
This makes no sense, its not like Obama is going to take everything after your first $250,000, just a higher percentage than the government takes now.
Indeed... I stared at the $250,000+ line for a full minute before sighing.

Seriously, if you earn that much, you are still going to want more. Just because you get a higher preportion of you income above that taken doesn't meant you're going to turn around and say 'screw extra money, I don't want to pay the government more'...

It'd be interesting to see what percentage of the USA actually earns $250,000+. My guess would be less than 5%
 

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ffxfriek post=18.75110.858915 said:
nilcypher post=18.75110.858899 said:
long, unnecessary post trimmed away.
if its to help fix this economy then buying the mortages and then having the people pay them off with an easier payment plan is then good. its better then pumping paper into the economy just to watch it fall 500+ points in a day
You've missed my point but answered my question all the same. If it's to stimulate the economy, that's fine. If it's simple altruism, then no dice. Excellent, thanks for clearing that up.
 

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It would be a real shame in my opinion to see Mccain in charge, I think both parties are just as capable as getting through the economic crisis. I don't know or care much about oil prices and the more pressure to work on alternative energy sources for vechiles the better.

Speaking of Pro Life, I think it would be better to vote for Obama because he is less likely to start a new war and END LIVES. Don't want to get into an abortion argument but I do think its likely that Mccain will manage to go bomb the hell out of another country and Obama might do something very un-american and not start another war.

Obama promises to create jobs for people, to be honest, and i'm not a hippy, people with $250'00 dollars should be taxed more and people earning less should be taxed less, considering a lot of people in America earn an average wage, them being taxed less will mean they have more money to spend, if they have more money to spend then they will buy more, therefore benefiting the economy and making themselves happier. Hooray! Pancakes all round.

Thats why i'd vote for obama and not Mccain if I was American. But i'm not so all I can do is sit and watch as the fate of the world changes hands.
 

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I'd probably rather see Hitler up there than Palin.

Okay, that's a bit of a exageration.
Although if I did see Palin up there, I'd prepare myself for Holocaust II.
 

ffxfriek

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nilcypher post=18.75110.858956 said:
ffxfriek post=18.75110.858915 said:
nilcypher post=18.75110.858899 said:
long, unnecessary post trimmed away.
if its to help fix this economy then buying the mortages and then having the people pay them off with an easier payment plan is then good. its better then pumping paper into the economy just to watch it fall 500+ points in a day
You've missed my point but answered my question all the same. If it's to stimulate the economy, that's fine. If it's simple altruism, then no dice. Excellent, thanks for clearing that up.
no problem
 

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Pseudonym2 post=18.75110.857674 said:
ffxfriek post=18.75110.857581 said:
His views on energy are good. Drill offshore.

That's a terrible idea.

1 It will cost a lot money
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the oil companies pay for the development required for such an endeavor. So I'm not sure why "costing a lot of money" is a deterrent.
2 Remember all those hurricanes that keep hitting the gulf? Now imagine drills being there.
You don't really have to imagine it, since there are already drills there. Whether they belong to American companies or not, it will affect the price of oil.
3 It will take as much as decade to affect the gas prices.
Or as little as three years, depends on your source. However, this is moot. Even if it takes a decade, we'll still be using oil then. Perhaps not in as great a quantity, but we will.
4. The gas will belong to whoever drills it. Who ever drills it will sell it to the highest bidder, most likely China.
True, however regardless of whether or not we drill, it will get taken out of there. So, someone else can take it and sell it to the highest bidder, or an American company can take it out and sell it to the highest bidder, hopefully us, but if not, that's still tax money coming in either way.
5. It's a short term solution that doesn't help our addiction to oil.
I don't want to get too far into this one, but I will say this : There seems to be an ideology that in order to get rid of our "addiction to oil," we must abandon it altogether, and rather abruptly. I vehemently disagree. If we let it happen, alternatives will develop (as they already are) and eventually surpass our use of oil. But it's going to take time. For example, most electric-only cars get 25-40 miles to the charge. That's simply not practical (or as could be argued, possible) for most people. But the technology is there, and can be further developed. We still need oil to help us bridge the gap between then and now.

On taxes. The debt is at several trillion dollars with a multi billion dollar war going on. Whoever is elected will have to raise taxes. (Bush was the first leader in all of recorded human history to cut taxes and go to war at the same time)
Well, we could also cut some of the spending going on. But I digress.

Raising taxes is one thing. Raising taxes for one portion of the population, which already pays a higher tax rate, is another. The butting of heads that's going on right now is basically between people who believe that the wealthy are already paying their share of the taxes (in terms of percent) and those who believe that we should cut taxes for anyone who isn't wealthy, and raise the rates on those who are.

On the Iraq war. Most Americans are against it. Continuing it would be arrogant at best, criminal at worst.
Personally, I'm of the belief that to go into a country and remove the ruling powers, and then leave the innocents to suffer the consequences of the aftermath with no assistance, would be criminal.

I mean no offense by anything said in this post, it's merely a response to yours. If I portrayed hostility in any way it was unintended.
 

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Serious_Stalin post=18.75110.858957 said:
Obama promises to create jobs for people, to be honest, and i'm not a hippy, people with $250'00 dollars should be taxed more and people earning less should be taxed less, considering a lot of people in America earn an average wage, them being taxed less will mean they have more money to spend, if they have more money to spend then they will buy more, therefore benefiting the economy and making themselves happier. Hooray! Pancakes all round.
In response to this and the post above*, we have a progressive tax policy, which means that people who earn more money pay a higher percentage towards income tax. Also, people on the other extreme (making very little money) are able to file tax exemption.
 

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ffxfriek post=18.75110.857692 said:
lol i am from chicago...by midway airport....mayor daley tony rezko all corrupt and they from chicago lol
Must... Fight... Urge... to mock numerous intentional bad grammar mistakes...
 

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Riieckk- and you do realise that people who own businesses can basically write off every car, house, computer, dog, can of beans and strip-joint excursion they purchase to tax. And that since the poor outnumber the rich, they will always contribute more of the National Income.

Also- if you'vegot so many poor people that you can't tax them, then you need a different economy.

Also- the suicide rate is higher in America than it is in Scandanvia. Get over it.
 

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Fondant post=18.75110.859089 said:
Riieckk- and you do realise that people who own businesses can basically write off every car, house, computer, dog, can of beans and strip-joint excursion they purchase to tax. And that since the poor outnumber the rich, they will always contribute more of the National Income.

Also- if you'vegot so many poor people that you can't tax them, then you need a different economy.

Also- the suicide rate is higher in America than it is in Scandanvia. Get over it.
exactly we need to fix this
 

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(A) Chicago is the most corrupt city on earth, in my opinion as a former Illinoisan.

(B) Voting for McCain, but not because I don't like Obama. I'm just not convinced he really knows what he's talking about, since I've heard plenty on how he plans on fixing our economy, but I never actually heard WHAT that plan entails other than repeating the words "Hope", "Change", and "Bush/McCain failed policies" over and over.
 

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darrinwright post=18.75110.859531 said:
(A) Chicago is the most corrupt city on earth, in my opinion as a former Illinoisan.

(B) Voting for McCain, but not because I don't like Obama. I'm just not convinced he really knows what he's talking about, since I've heard plenty on how he plans on fixing our economy, but I never actually heard WHAT that plan entails other than repeating the words "Hope", "Change", and "Bush/McCain failed policies" over and over.
aagh so im not crazy all my friends who are for obama say hell fix it. i ask them how so? and they say i dont know if it wasnt for bush we wouldnt be in this mess.....
 

Shadow-Knight

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McCain always contradicts himself, I don't know how I feel about that. That and his Vice-Presidential candidate is beyond retarded.
 

ffxfriek

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Shadow-Knight post=18.75110.859605 said:
McCain always contradicts himself, I don't know how I feel about that. That and his Vice-Presidential candidate is beyond retarded.
ok why do you say that examples please?
 

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Alex_P post=18.75110.857720 said:
ffxfriek post=18.75110.857581 said:
If you put a tax on people with income of 250k+ a year then no one will want to work and you can't expand the company.
Umm, you remember the 90s? Because he's basically just putting the highest bracket's tax rate back to that level.

-- Alex
This is the absolute undeniable TRUTH. Obama only wants to roll back the tax cuts that Bush gave the wealthy people of America.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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I'm a moderate at heart, so no McCain love from me, he's too radical. And Sarah Palin can *comment omitted since I don't want to offend any women that aren't Sarah Palin*
 

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PedroSteckecilo post=18.75110.859775 said:
I'm a moderate at heart, so no McCain love from me, he's too radical. And Sarah Palin can *comment omitted since I don't want to offend any women that aren't Sarah Palin*

again radical on which/all of his ideas please explain
 

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>_>

The only thing I have to say is--

People that do more work already pay more taxes, it's a simple fact. Taxing is done via percentage, so if you make 100 dollars and get taxed 50 percent, you're paying 50 dollars in taxes. If you make 1000 dollars and get taxed 50 percent you're paying 500 dollars in taxes.

The problem with Obama's plan is he wants to double taxes for people over 250k a year. Trust me folks, 250k a year isn't a whole lot -- That's right in the middle of middle class -- and those people can't afford double the taxes. My family in particular will go bankrupt if that plan is approved and then we'll be living on wellfare, all because the people in the lower class don't want to work as hard as the people in the middle class.

I like Obama as a person, but his plans are far too idyllic to be usable. By the time he settled the national debt, millions of families would be bankrupt.
 

ffxfriek

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Lets ask Joe the Plumber how Obama would help....er destroy his soon business if Obama is elected.....
 

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All the things you put for Mccain as positive are things that I see as negative.

Pro-life is just pointless restriction of other peoples rights because of a religious objection.

Offshore Drilling is idiotic. It won't solve anything.

The Iraq war was a mistake and we need to get the hell out of there.

He's a Republican. 'nuff said.