Major Mass Effect 3 Ending Content Cut out Kotor 2 style (spoilers)

[airrazor7]

I used to aspire to be a writer for video games. Not anymore. I know all parts of life comes with BS but this seems like crap I'd rather not deal with.

I'm guessing that all the controversy over changing the endings of "creative" properties and some of the stuff notable game critics have said over it can all just be thrown out the window now. You know there really is a problem when the people in charge of the creative direction are saying "What the heck is going on here and what happened to all that content I spent months working on?"

There are actually company guidelines that forbid WWE employees from using the word 'wrestling' to describe the product.

This, does not surprise me...

 

[Vault101]

How is this surprising? Considering the ending thats in the game was NEVER the actual ending! It surprises me that people forget that the original ending was leaked before the christmas so EA made Bioware change the ending! Casey Hudson locked himself in a roon with no input from the wrting staff and came up with the crap that we have in the game!
I hate it when people talk about artistic integrity when there's none to begin with! Really wish I had read the original leak! Most likeyl I would have been more staisfied with that one!

i find it hard to belive anyone could be that retarded..if ANY old would be "game critc" on the internet can make a list miles long on what is wrong with the ending...

how can somone be so fucking insane?

then again......george lucas.....

I think somone has just taken the crown

 

[LetalisK]

Cool shit was cut because of pressure to meet deadlines from EA.

Is anyone surprised by this? Did anyone honestly believe this wouldn't happen before the game came out?

Making a deal with EA is like making a deal the devil. They'll give you short-term rewards, but fuck you in the end.

EA held it back from Christmas release, Bioware wanted more time why not just ask for more if then ending was sub-par?

I'm going to go with "You can only ask for so much". Considering Bioware's previous reputation, I have a difficult time imagining they got a wild hair up their ass on their own and find it easier to believe that EA had something to do with it, if not all of it. But I could be wrong.

 

[Palmerama]

How is this surprising? Considering the ending thats in the game was NEVER the actual ending! It surprises me that people forget that the original ending was leaked before the christmas so EA made Bioware change the ending! Casey Hudson locked himself in a roon with no input from the wrting staff and came up with the crap that we have in the game!
I hate it when people talk about artistic integrity when there's none to begin with! Really wish I had read the original leak! Most likeyl I would have been more staisfied with that one!

i find it hard to belive anyone could be that retarded..if ANY old would be "game critc" on the internet can make a list miles long on what is wrong with the ending...

how can somone be so fucking insane?

then again......george lucas.....

I think somone has just taken the crown

Well prepare to believe! This is an expert from soomeone on the Mass Effect writing team! Though he says it was Casey & the lead writer! However im guessing its not the original lead writer Drew Karpyshyn as he left Bioware before this happened (hence why the fourth book wasn't written by him)! Im basing this on the fact that Drew Karpyshyn created Mass Effect and considering how well written his books are aswell, he wouldn't have written that tripe!

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-writer-distance-himself-from-game-ending-blames-casey-hudson/

 

[CATS FTW]

Oh, for the love of...

Just when I was about ready to move on to the acceptance stage, and just wait for the extended cut to hopefully salvage what little that could be saved, stuff like this comes up.

Seriously, they devoted resources to put shameless pandering like Jessia Chobot and useless filler like the MechDog into the game, but good stuff like this is left out?

What the hell went wrong?!

I know what you mean, looking over all of it is like one of the rouge VI missions in masseffect where you head on in to a shwanky crazy advanced facility that could have provided many scientific advancements but because of some unknown blunder everyone was killed.

 

[Vault101]

Oh, for the love of...

Just when I was about ready to move on to the acceptance stage, and just wait for the extended cut to hopefully salvage what little that could be saved, stuff like this comes up.

Seriously, they devoted resources to put shameless pandering like Jessia Chobot and useless filler like the MechDog into the game, but good stuff like this is left out?

What the hell went wrong?!

there IS no acceptance stage....

hey there freind...have you heard of indoctrination theory? its denial of the best kind!

 

[RatRace123]

Not surprising, I have some suspicions that the game was rushed, and having cut content like this seems to serve as evidence.

Shame too, the final mission in ME3 was really lacking, especially compared to how awesome the second game's ending was.

 

[survivor686]

So...apparently no one at Bioware thought of subjecting the endings to an external, unbiased review?

 

[Zhukov]

The only thing worse than something shit is something shit that could have been good.

Again with the hate for the ending. Come on people, it wasn't bad! Sure, it left some questions unanswered, but how many other games/books/movies do that all the time? It doesn't mean that they are bad. The only reason there is so much hate for this ending is because no matter what ending Bioware would've put in there, it could have never satisfied the ridiculously high expectation of all the fanboys out there. People probably spent hours visualizing the "perfect" ending in their heads, and are now pissed off because it didn't match up with their fantasy. Maybe it wasn't what most people were expecting, but that doesn't make it bad.

Bullshit.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Bullshit.

You've probably seen this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs] being linked around these forums. If you haven't watched it already, do so. It explains in detail exactly why ME3's ending sucked on every level.

If you don't want to spend 40 minutes on a youtube video, then here's my own list of reasons the ending sucked, copy-pasted from elsewhere and spoilered for length.

Spoiler

H'okay then.

I shall endeavour to keep this relatively free of bile and rage, but it will be longwinded and nerdy. Also, spoilers.

So, without further ado... Problems with ME3's ending:

1 - The endings do not take into account the many choices made throughout the series. In the final ten minutes you are given a choice between three corridors to walk down with vague descriptions of what each one will cause to happen. Then you are given a cutscene. Here is a link [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA] with all the ending cutscenes side-by-side. They're practically identical. Even your final last-minute choice has almost no effect.

2 - There is no closure. You never get to see what becomes of the various races. You never find out if the Wrex headbutts the Krogan into a new renaissance or if their violent history tragically repeats itself. You never learn if the Geth manage to become part of the galactic society. You never see if humanity manages to rebuild on earth or is forced to find a new home.

3 - Same goes for the characters. (At this point it is worth noting that over the years a lot of people have become hugely attached to those characters.) You never find out if Tali gets to build her house on her homeworld. You never get to see if Liara and Javick write that book. You never learn if Garrus gets to retire on a beach like he was planning. Instead, you just see them all crash-landing the Normandy on an unidentified jungle planet and facing an uncertain fate.

4 - It introduces new plot elements in the final ten minutes. The most prominent of these elements is that the Citadel (a giant space station that acts like a galactic capital city) turns out to be inhabited by a glowing space child who explains everything (poorly). I wish I was kidding.

5 - The Reaper's motives are revealed... and make absolutely no sense. Turns out they are an army of synthetic life forms who destroy all advanced organic life every 50,000 years in order to prevent organic life from being destroyed by synthetics. Yeah. The circular logic may be intentional, but if so then Shepard (and the player) never gets to call them out on this.

6 - All endings involve the mass relays being destroyed for reasons that are not made clear. If you are not familiar with the setting then it will be difficult to explain the ramifications of that. Basically, nobody will be able to travel across the galaxy. Nobody will ever get to see their homes again or even find out if their families are still alive. A lot of people will be trapped on planets where they can't eat the food.

7 - There are glaring inconstancies, the most obvious being that sometimes characters that are dead are shown alive.

8 - Lastly, it is worth noting that some people are annoyed because, no matter what, Shepard dies in the end (although one ending can result in a bullshit last second "or did he" hook) and is irrevocably separated from his friends, lovers and crew. These people are annoyed that they can't get a little-blue-children-and-beers-on-the-beech-with-Garrus ending. I do not fall into this camp myself, but I can see why they feel that way.

...

Yeah, that about sums it up.

That's a bad ending no matter how you care to look at it. It was bad according to any standard of storytelling or story resolution that you can think of.

Stop trying to pass this off as the angry delusions of disappointed fanboys. Has it made a lot of fanboys disappointed? Sure, but that's because fan and fanboy alike were expecting something that wasn't a miserable pile of bandicoot shit.

 

[tendaji]

Oh, for the love of...

Just when I was about ready to move on to the acceptance stage, and just wait for the extended cut to hopefully salvage what little that could be saved, stuff like this comes up.

Seriously, they devoted resources to put shameless pandering like Jessia Chobot and useless filler like the MechDog into the game, but good stuff like this is left out?

What the hell went wrong?!

there IS no acceptance stage....

hey there freind...have you heard of indoctrination theory? its denial of the best kind!

A new angle on the indoctrination theory is that Marauder Shields is actually Garrus but you perceive him as a Marauder, and just kill him

 

[Vault101]

A new angle on the indoctrination theory is that Marauder Shields is actually Garrus but you perceive him as a Marauder, and just kill him

whoa...thats pretty cool (or perhaps you didnt actually kill him..just thourght you did)

the marauder sehilds comic (which is amazing by the way..Id encourage anyone to check it out http://koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery)

implies that marauder sheilds is Nighlus...doesnt make sense (since nighlus likley got a proper burial) but its AWSOME!

 

[Zen Toombs]

Please don't use "retarded" as a pejorative, especially in regards to EA - it insults the mentally disabled everywhere.

Retarded [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded] (adj)
-slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress

Because I'm obviously targeting the mentally disabled here. No wait, no I'm not. I think EA is a tad on the slow side, like I said.

-They're just words, don't let them own you.​

1: mostly a joke. note the bold text.
2: stepping off of my joking horse and on to my high horse, I don't see how using "retarded" as an insult is any different from using "gay" as an insult. [sub]Or using race, [sub]or gender, [sub]or political affiliation [sub]or religion [sub]or hat size[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub] repeat ad nausium. They're all bad reasons to insult someone, and not exactly classy.

I know you're not personally targeting the mentally disabled - you're not a monster, and you seem like a pretty decent person.[footnote]I want to make this point extra clear - this is not and never was a personal attack. As I said, you seem to be a decent person.[/footnote] But you are adding to the cultural perspective that such things are different and bad. There are a number of people I know who use the term "gay" to mean "dumb" or "stupid" or "annoying" who aren't trying to bash homosexuals. However, they still add to the culture of stigma to such things.

Now that we have become sufficiently sidetracked, bringing it back: Boo EA! You did bad!

 

[Undead Dragon King]

Ah-HAH!

THIS will be the material that they're going to put in the Extended Cut to make us think that they care about our opinions!

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Wow. that Jack dialog made me tear up, just a little bit. Couldn't browse the rest. Someone earlier was right: its worse to be so bad when it was that close to being great.

 

[CaptOfSerenity]

The only thing worse than something shit is something shit that could have been good.

Pfft, yeah, just ask Star Wars fans.

Fuck, at least they have the original trilogy (which had an ending that actually made sense) whereas we're stuck with our entire Mass Effect trilogy being invalidated in the final minutes. xD

Ah well, I'm over it now. Maybe the extended cut will suck less. Probably never buying another Bioware game again (new, at least).[/quote

5 minutes does not invalidate all the hours of fun you had, GOD DAMNIT!

 

[Denos]

I feel like a person was just randomly sifting through the audio files and found these without hearing them before, and I feel like their actually in the game, because I feel like I have hear these all before, but not in chat dialogue, just as flavour text during battles in the background. Except maybe Geth Prime and Zaeeds...

 

[Vault101]

5 minutes does not invalidate all the hours of fun you had, GOD DAMNIT!

I agree

however I guess it does taint ones veiw on the thing..I find it a shame that people write it all off because of that

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Three things I took out of this:

1. Well no shit, some content was left out. Did you SEE the ending?
2. Jack looks like some just hit her over the head with a baseball bat. Seriously, watch her clip, but imagine a circle of tiny birds flying around her head.
3. "PUUUUUSH!!!!" from Jacob made me laugh my ass off. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to cut some of this.