Man dies protesting helmet law
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I don't completely agree. Yes, they only increase the chances of physically harming themselves and nobody else if they ignore safety equipment. But imagine what the other person in that accident has to go through when they find out they just killed someone who could have lived in other circumstances? I know a lot of people who would require mental help after such an incident.
I suppose this comes down to the US American mindset. Freedom above all else, even with live-saving inventions like seatbelts. It's mandatory and you will be fined in Europe if you don't wear a seatbelt or a helmet and while some people complain, it's not the case that we have protesters against a law that essentially forbids you from comitting suicide through stupidity.
What I get from that is that you say that if a person forgets to wear a seatbelt or a helmet and they are in an accident, they only hurt themselves.Thaius said:
I don't completely agree. Yes, they only increase the chances of physically harming themselves and nobody else if they ignore safety equipment. But imagine what the other person in that accident has to go through when they find out they just killed someone who could have lived in other circumstances? I know a lot of people who would require mental help after such an incident.
I suppose this comes down to the US American mindset. Freedom above all else, even with live-saving inventions like seatbelts. It's mandatory and you will be fined in Europe if you don't wear a seatbelt or a helmet and while some people complain, it's not the case that we have protesters against a law that essentially forbids you from comitting suicide through stupidity.
Apparently, I will be the single dissenting voice.
I'm a biker, been one for about 15 years. I generally wear a helmet, because it protects my vision from impacts.
However, most of why many of us dispute the law is that A) 'Helmets Save Lives' is only partially true and B) it should be our decision.
On A): there is indeed evidence that helmets do save lives. There is also the fact that the average Helmet does absolutely nothing to stop Spinal Injuries or mass trauma to the rest of the body. I actually know of a rider who because he was wearing a helmet had his neck snapped and paralyzed him from the neck down- because the whiplash from the weight of the helmet was greater than his head alone.
His comment: "Guess being a helpless invalid is better than death, right?"
Some of us don't necessarily agree.
B): Any safety device which protects others *from* me is, IMO, fair game for Laws. Any device which protects me against my will...no. Not the government's business.
I'm a biker, been one for about 15 years. I generally wear a helmet, because it protects my vision from impacts.
However, most of why many of us dispute the law is that A) 'Helmets Save Lives' is only partially true and B) it should be our decision.
On A): there is indeed evidence that helmets do save lives. There is also the fact that the average Helmet does absolutely nothing to stop Spinal Injuries or mass trauma to the rest of the body. I actually know of a rider who because he was wearing a helmet had his neck snapped and paralyzed him from the neck down- because the whiplash from the weight of the helmet was greater than his head alone.
His comment: "Guess being a helpless invalid is better than death, right?"
Some of us don't necessarily agree.
B): Any safety device which protects others *from* me is, IMO, fair game for Laws. Any device which protects me against my will...no. Not the government's business.
I am confused. Why would you not want to wear a helmet? Is it just a case of being contrary? Helemts can have cool patterns, helmets help save your life, helmets cut down on hospital spending (for those of us whose countries have public healthcare) and they stop you eating bugs/having bugs splat on you when you're traveling fast.
What possible reason is there to not wear one?
What possible reason is there to not wear one?
Eh, it's fine when you're riding a bike. A motorcycle, things that easily go on the freeway... Yeah.OptimusPrime33 said:
Because getting launched through the windshield and pasting your brains over someone else's windshield is okay? Yeah, these laws are not just for the driver themselves. People shouldn't have to see the nastiness that comes of not wearing those things.Thaius said:
It's a bit like getting high or drunk. I'm all for fucking yourself up bigtime, do whatever you wish, but people who aren't stupid shouldn't have to be bothered with it.
Stephen Hawking my friend.Rottweiler said:
This is hilarious and only hilarious because it was his own fault, he protested against helmets and died because he didn't use a helmet... Good riddance, there's no reason to think this is a tragedy in any way.
Im personally against this law... not because I ride a motorcycle, but because anybody stupid enough to ride one without the helmat deserves what s/he gets. This law prevents the stupid people from dying...
My friend had a fuel line fault in his motorbike it exploded under him and the helmet was one of the things that saved his life. He is paralyzed from the waist down but at least he isn't dead. He started riding again recently on a an adapted one.
It's not only your own bad driving that causes accidents in which you may need a helmet. I'm not even sure why this platform exists.
Although this man died in tragic irony I think its a bit off to laugh at him, he probably has friends and family after all.
It's not only your own bad driving that causes accidents in which you may need a helmet. I'm not even sure why this platform exists.
Although this man died in tragic irony I think its a bit off to laugh at him, he probably has friends and family after all.
I'm not sure about America but in Ireland and most other European countries we pay (in part) for the medical services these retards will be receiving when they are injured, although thankfully they are more likely to die outright and will be less of a cost to their fellow humans.Thaius said:
Seatbelts don't only protect the person wearing them but other people in the car. Say you weren't wearing a seatbelt but your friend was, you crash, you are likely to die, we don't really care because you were stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt but it's also quite likely that the force of the crash will slam your unsecured body into your friend causing potentially life threatening injuries.
You're trying to put out a forest fire by blowing on it.Fleischer said:
OT: What a moron. Oh well, can't be helped now.
As a biker (not in the MC gang type sense), I do think it's absolutely ridiculous to not wear a helmet. That, however, goes for regular bicycles as well. While you don't reach the speeds of a motorcycle with one, you do take a much larger risk when riding one without a helmet too, yet there is no law against this.
I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but the basic principle is the same, and I do think it's up to the individual. If they wanna be stupid, why stop them? As previous posters have stated, it doesn't endanger other people. I'd just as much want to see a law against smoking as a law against riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
Darwin and Murphy will prevail in the end either way.
I'm not saying it's exactly the same, but the basic principle is the same, and I do think it's up to the individual. If they wanna be stupid, why stop them? As previous posters have stated, it doesn't endanger other people. I'd just as much want to see a law against smoking as a law against riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
Darwin and Murphy will prevail in the end either way.