Man kills newborn daughter because he couldn't afford to keep her

[DaGoomba]

I'm sorry, I haven't watched/read/listened to the news for a long time, but did I miss the story where adoption was no longer a viable option in Pennsylvania? Or where cinderblocks are an acceptable form of population control? No? Well, I can now honestly say that I'm disgusted by this prick's actions and ashamed that I have to share the title of "human being" with him.

 

[Jegsimmons]

And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.

No, just no.

Why the no? At least explain your response if you say something.

A fetus has no cognitive functions and can not feel pain until after at least the 26th week, it's not the same thing as battering an infant to death with a brick.

You have no idea what that fetus might become one day. Want a cure for cancer? Well, the one who would've discovered it was aborted in the '80s, so too bad. How about the next Great American President? Whoops, that one bit the dust before it could "germinate", so no luck there.

You also have not idea what the fetus could become one day, saying all those idealistic positive cliches like becoming President and curing Cancer? Please. Unlike you, I consider this, but also that maybe the baby will become something bad, kill somebody, sell hard drugs, commit rape etc.

what? no innocence until proven guilty?
wait until the fucker actually DOES something before passing negative judgement.

You obviously didn't comprehend my post.
And you wait until the 'fucker' (nice word for a baby by the way, good one!) DOES something positive until passing positive judgement.

sorry, but im a believer in the pro-chance stance, every life has a chance to live as a productive member of society.
also, i like useing the word fucker. rolls off the tongue.fucker.

I can't respect somebody who apologizes for what they believe in, and expressing your opinion like it's a fact isn't helping anybody. It would be productive for you to learn the difference between the two. Also lol at how you call me an idiot,(ironic) reported! Have a good one!

that sorry was in a sarastic tone. also where did i call you an idiot? seriously do you even read what you type?

I could ask you the same question, but alas, you didn't call me an idiot, but you sure implied it thinking I wasn't going to report you for your behavior. What's your beef now?

thinking what behavior your going to report me for...cause honestly i haven't done anything wrong. unless you count saying 'fucker', because i like the way it sounds...er reads...
maby i should report you for abusing the reporting option...but im not because i got better things to do....like argue over the internet on another thread.

(facepalm) You know you have done wrong, you called me fucker. And you don't have better things to do because you're going to respond to this. owned. Also, pro life is another word for anti-choice. Think about it.

oooohhh....no i didnt call YOU a fucker..i just repeated it for the hell of it
like when someone say "i like saying bubble...bubble ...heheh"
yeah my mistake. oh and i never said pro life. i said pro chance. also, if it pro choice, wheres the unborn babies choice? are you saying they don't deserve one because they havent had the CHANCE to be able to make one yet?

Well what you just said now certainly gives this conversation more civility. Here's how I see it; abortion is often morally questionable, but I think it should still be legal. Abortion is available while the fetus cannot feel pain, and the brain is undeveloped, they lack the intelligence to do anything, including making choices. My initial point in all of this was that saying an aborted fetus could have done great things is biased, because they can do plenty of bad things as well, so I see that argument as having no value.

My apologies on the poor wording in my previous statement.
My reason behind my prochance view (not pro life, that would imply I'm against the death penalty.) Is the I believe that everyone deserves life liberty and happiness, and I feel that abortions violate that for a being that wasn't even given a chance or a voice yet. Whether they are conscious or not I think they should still be have an opportunity . After all Tim tebow would have been aborted if his mom didntt decided against it.

 

[Zeraki]

So they murder their new born child because they can't afford to take care of it, and now they're going rot in jail... that's sure to put food on the table!

How the hell does that thought process work exactly? Putting the kid up for adoption is a much more preferable solution than dropping a cinder block on its head. The stupidity just boggles my mind, and quite frankly enrages me.

 

[Sansha]

Clearly a more logical option than adoption.

 

[Charisma]

okay, it's awful, grotesque, bad people bad people.

but doesn't anyone find this at all funny? i mean, come on! a cinderblock, why a god damn cinderblock! i love it.

 

[Neo10101]

Well, first off, totally did not expect it to be with a cinder block, and secondly, really people? You deal with your baby by killing it with a cinder block. Firstly, adoption anyone? Secondly, if you did want to kill it there were probably more humane and cleaner ways to do it then a freaking cinder block to the face.

 

[Nieroshai]

"Well at least she didn't have an abortion" i hear god say

Thank you for trolling playing. Bashing a religious view that human slaughter at any age is wrong by implying they think murder is okay since it wasn't abortion? If what I read is correct, if he'd punched her in the gut a couple days earlier you'd have no problem with the death of a baby that would not have died or suffered from any ill effects if removed by c-section. That baby could have lived separated from the mother's blood flow. Why, honestly, do we believe ANY kind of unwilling human termination is okay? And if you're still around to debate abortion, don't think I know nothing about the subject.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.

I just want to say that I feel it is unfortunate that your post is so early in. Nothing against you of course. If it wasn't you, it may have been someone else anyway.
A good chunk of this thread is now a Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice argument and I don't ever see those getting anywhere. If anyone has had their opinion swayed or changed, let me know. To me it means that the discussion isn't entirely pointless.

OT: So, yeah. I know my sense of justice may be somewhat skewed due to cynicism or whatever, but I would completely enjoy being told that this guy will later be castrated without anesthetic and then left to rot in a cell (or be harassed by the other inmates forever or something).
I absolutely do not want him to die, because then he wouldn't have to deal with what he just did. That is of course assuming there is no afterlife of eternal suffering to punish those like him, otherwise I would gladly let him die (please do not respond discussing religion. I do not really believe in it, but do acknowledge the possibility of it being correct. Please leave it at that).

 

[Jegsimmons]

And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.

No, just no.

Why the no? At least explain your response if you say something.

A fetus has no cognitive functions and can not feel pain until after at least the 26th week, it's not the same thing as battering an infant to death with a brick.

You have no idea what that fetus might become one day. Want a cure for cancer? Well, the one who would've discovered it was aborted in the '80s, so too bad. How about the next Great American President? Whoops, that one bit the dust before it could "germinate", so no luck there.

You also have not idea what the fetus could become one day, saying all those idealistic positive cliches like becoming President and curing Cancer? Please. Unlike you, I consider this, but also that maybe the baby will become something bad, kill somebody, sell hard drugs, commit rape etc.

what? no innocence until proven guilty?
wait until the fucker actually DOES something before passing negative judgement.

You obviously didn't comprehend my post.
And you wait until the 'fucker' (nice word for a baby by the way, good one!) DOES something positive until passing positive judgement.

sorry, but im a believer in the pro-chance stance, every life has a chance to live as a productive member of society.
also, i like useing the word fucker. rolls off the tongue.fucker.

I can't respect somebody who apologizes for what they believe in, and expressing your opinion like it's a fact isn't helping anybody. It would be productive for you to learn the difference between the two. Also lol at how you call me an idiot,(ironic) reported! Have a good one!

that sorry was in a sarastic tone. also where did i call you an idiot? seriously do you even read what you type?

I could ask you the same question, but alas, you didn't call me an idiot, but you sure implied it thinking I wasn't going to report you for your behavior. What's your beef now?

thinking what behavior your going to report me for...cause honestly i haven't done anything wrong. unless you count saying 'fucker', because i like the way it sounds...er reads...
maby i should report you for abusing the reporting option...but im not because i got better things to do....like argue over the internet on another thread.

(facepalm) You know you have done wrong, you called me fucker. And you don't have better things to do because you're going to respond to this. owned. Also, pro life is another word for anti-choice. Think about it.

oooohhh....no i didnt call YOU a fucker..i just repeated it for the hell of it
like when someone say "i like saying bubble...bubble ...heheh"
yeah my mistake. oh and i never said pro life. i said pro chance. also, if it pro choice, wheres the unborn babies choice? are you saying they don't deserve one because they havent had the CHANCE to be able to make one yet?

Well what you just said now certainly gives this conversation more civility. Here's how I see it; abortion is often morally questionable, but I think it should still be legal. Abortion is available while the fetus cannot feel pain, and the brain is undeveloped, they lack the intelligence to do anything, including making choices. My initial point in all of this was that saying an aborted fetus could have done great things is biased, because they can do plenty of bad things as well, so I see that argument as having no value.

My apologies on the poor wording in my previous statement.
My reason behind my prochance view (not pro life, that would imply I'm against the death penalty.) Is the I believe that everyone deserves life liberty and happiness, and I feel that abortions violate that for a being that wasn't even given a chance or a voice yet. Whether they are conscious or not I think they should still be have an opportunity . After all Tim tebow would have been aborted if his mom didntt decided against it.

That's your opinion and I'd be an asshole to criticize it

Likewise.

 

[Dags90]

To be fair, there are a lot of kids born inside cars. From the sounds of it, she pretty much went into labor in the supermarket, and it just came out int he car. Just go ahead and try to tell a woman to wait and keep it in her until you can get to a hospital. Thats not a fight you're going to win.

According to the Daily Mail, the woman made the local paper for her last baby having been born in a kitchen due to sudden labor. They also mention that their car wouldn't start. I know it's the Daily Mail, but fodder like this is their specialty. It's at the very end.[footnote]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003539/Man-killed-newborn-daughter-cinderblock-afford-second-child.html[/footnote]

 

[EHKOS]

What on earth? You kill a child like that in cold blood?

That man does not deserve to be free. Send him to jail for the rest of his days.

Not to take his side, but he may not have had time to make an attachment to the child. And may not feel empathy to others.

 

[emeraldrafael]

To be fair, there are a lot of kids born inside cars. From the sounds of it, she pretty much went into labor in the supermarket, and it just came out int he car. Just go ahead and try to tell a woman to wait and keep it in her until you can get to a hospital. Thats not a fight you're going to win.

According to the Daily Mail, the woman made the local paper for her last baby having been born in a kitchen due to sudden labor. They also mention that their car wouldn't start. I know it's the Daily Mail, but fodder like this is their specialty. It's at the very end.[footnote]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003539/Man-killed-newborn-daughter-cinderblock-afford-second-child.html[/footnote]

Cool, thanks for backing that up. I mean, I know a kid or two who were born in cars, and they and their parents are very decent and good people, so that just kinda irked me when it made it sound like it was bad to be born in a car (though I probably just read that the wrong way).

 

[NinjaOnXTC]

Human idiocy strikes again, move along people, nothing to see here.

 

[Robert632]

To make the understatement of the century, this guy is a terrible person.

 

[Torrasque]

And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.

No, just no.

Why the no? At least explain your response if you say something.

Abortion =/= killing newborn baby.
Just like there is a difference between killing a man with a bullet between the eyes, and starving him to death.

This is not the thread to get into what stage a fetus becomes a living being, how about we talk about how fucked up this guy is, and how this is a terribly wrong thing to do eh?

 

[UbarElite]

I don't know what to say...would torture be bad in this case? That is just terrible...

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

And yet nobody frowns upon abortion, even though this is exactly the same thing.

No, just no.

Why the no? At least explain your response if you say something.

Abortion =/= killing newborn baby.
Just like there is a difference between killing a man with a bullet between the eyes, and starving him to death.

This is not the thread to get into what stage a fetus becomes a living being, how about we talk about how fucked up this guy is, and how this is a terribly wrong thing to do eh?

Winner!

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I don't know what to say...would torture be bad in this case? That is just terrible...

It would make us terrible people, but it's pretty hard to take the high road when it comes to slaughtering an infant newborn, I admit.

 

[Infernai]

...Can someone devise a horrible horrible manner in which to kill this man? I was thinking of maybe dangling him over a vat of bleach, force feeding him gallons upon gallons of water until he has to piss (For those who don't know, bleach has chlorine in it and urine has ammonia. Now when Ammonia mixes with bleach it produces mustard gas). But, i think that's still too merciful. So please, SOMEONE on here please think of a horrible horrible manner to kill him.

I'm sorry if i sound crazy/evil here but, given what this man has done (Murder a child, something i can NEVER condone under any circumstance, A NEWBORN child at that!) i think my rage is justified!