Why didn't he just give her up adoption, or abandon her somewhere she'd be found? Actually, no, what he should have done is not procreate like a rabbit when he couldn't afford it. What a feckless prick.
Man kills newborn daughter because he couldn't afford to keep her
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I believe in abortions. I believe in the option of doing it.
But to play the devil's advocate, what is the difference between this and abortion? The kid would've died anyhow. Only difference is that it wasn't a doctor who did it.
But to play the devil's advocate, what is the difference between this and abortion? The kid would've died anyhow. Only difference is that it wasn't a doctor who did it.
Really? Dropping a cinder block? Why couldn't you just put it up for adoption? Or leave it on a doorstep?
Seriously, the stupidity of some people just baffles me.
Seriously, the stupidity of some people just baffles me.
I read the title and I knew that I wasn't going to like what I read..... fuck being right sucks ass sometimes. Anyway there both terrible people but that Chris Fitzpatrick is a shit skid on society's ass.
great thanks for completely ruining my day, at least i am going to dream of what would happen if those two retards would step into silent hill, maybe dead zombie nurse children would pelt them to death with cinder blocks now that's a good image.
I would say its EXCACTALLY the same thing, with abortion generally its not quite sentinent, or a ball of cells, and in this case would have been a million times better than what happenedMarkgraf said:
and I gues we really shouldnt go there
Are you serious? A cold blooded murder is no different than a procedure, you have got to be kidding me, just picture it a newborn child just crying while some moron raises a cinder block to crush on his head, the difference is the loss of humanity no one should do that to a child, the procedure is legal and could've been done in the earlier months those people had months to plan anything and their best idea is a cinder block, think about that.holy_secret said:
It was probably a bit messier, but otherwise I agree, the only difference here was people could actually see the baby now, so they feel bad about it dying. An abortion happens where no one can see it, so most people don't feel bad about it.Markgraf said:
Hate to be the internet tough guy, but drop a cinder block on his head and send him to jail for the rest of his days for being a fuck.
Then again, I don't think that guy needs more brain damage..
Then again, I don't think that guy needs more brain damage..
Yep. See, not even "well, that's what abortion is for, you vile sub-human scumbag" works here since there are, you know, ORPHANAGES! Bring your kid to an orphanage and let them live. Believe me, it's not like dog pounds. They don't kill kids there once they get too old.dogstile said:
So, first option is always orphanages, even if your child is...from a rape V_V
Second option is abortion, but only if they are incredibly handicapped (no I don't think retarded/handicap folk should be killed, yah dolts who thought that. I think if you won't be able to support or control you're mentally disabled child, or if they are SO disabled either mentally, physically, or both that it's impossible for them to have a full life after childhood, then have an abortion early on), or if the not-yet-human is from...well...a rape V_V
Note: It can go either way with the rape thing, since neither a mother or a child often live full and happy (as much as can be) lives with that event hanging over them. She sees him as a reminder, and he views himself as a bastard born from a horrendous moment. Thus it's kinda understandable for a victim to abort the minute she is told or realizes what's up.
BUT it is NEVER okay to have the kid, keep the kid, then kill the kid. They're human at that point, or at least they're more human than a tadpole in a bubble. Fuck that guy and his idiot wife. There are always better ways.
Jesus, if you can't afford a baby, sell the baby to a couple who can't conceive (skips the whole "growing up in an adoption center" scenario).
The manslaughter was doubly stupid, because they'll both go to jail for a long time & everything they own will be auctioned off.
The manslaughter was doubly stupid, because they'll both go to jail for a long time & everything they own will be auctioned off.
oooohhh....no i didnt call YOU a fucker..i just repeated it for the hell of itgamezombieghgh said:
like when someone say "i like saying bubble...bubble ...heheh"
yeah my mistake. oh and i never said pro life. i said pro chance. also, if it pro choice, wheres the unborn babies choice? are you saying they don't deserve one because they havent had the CHANCE to be able to make one yet?
Abortion before the brain is formed? No problem.
Abortion AFTER the brain has formed? Big problem.
We are our brains. All our memories, cognitive abilities, emotions and ability to sense the environment are in our brains. Anyone who has studied even a tiny bit of modern neuroscience knows this. Anyone who has read the case of Phineas Gage also knows this. Anyone who has ever heard of Brocka's Aphasia knows this. We ARE our brains.
So aborting a foetus when the brain has not formed is akin to killing a brain-dead patient - there's nothing wrong with it, since without the brain, they aren't human. Embryos, blastocysts and very early stage foetuses cannot be called human because they 1) Have no Brain, 2) Cannot survive outside the womb in any way shape or form and 3) Can't feel pain (because they have no brain - no brain, no pain).
A brainless early stage foetus is NOT a human. It might BECOME a human at some later stage, but without the brain, it is not human yet.
However, when the brain has mostly formed, I am very, very, very hesitant to allow Abortion. If the mother's life has been threatened or in the case of rape or incest, I'd allow abortion, but not really for any other reason. I say personhood comes with the brain, and late-stage foetuses already have brains. My brother was born 1 month premature and he survived just fine and is the perfectly wonderful person I know my brother to be. Therefore, at some stage after conception, but before birth, most children are most fully formed but just haven't been born yet. Just because they're in a womb doesn't mean they aren't people.
I, as an atheist, don't believe in the soul. At all. I'm also not one of those people who think that "human life beings at conception". Life exists before and after conception (sperm cells are technically "alive" in a biological sense), but human life only, ONLY begins with the formation of the brain.
Now on to the case of the person who killed his fully formed baby, that's incomprehensibly evil. The Baby HAD a brain. It was cognizant and alive and could feel pain (because it has a brain - nerves transmit signals to the brain which interprets the sensation of pain).
It is not the same thing as using embryos for research, or the same thing as early stage abortion - because embryos have no brains. None. At all. Embryos don't even HAVE any neural tissue - so it can't sense pain. Again, if there's NO BRAIN, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO SENSE PAIN WITH! If there's no brain, there's no consciousness or personality or thoughts or ideals or dreams or hopes or desires or anything.
However, in the case very late stage abortions.... I am extremely uncomfortable allowing them except for the most dire of circumstances (such as threat to a mother's life). If a baby is, say, one week away from term.... hasn't the brain mostly formed? They might not be fully conscious, but then again, neither are you when you're asleep. But it's not okay to kill people in their sleep now is it? I've seen.... medical footage of very late term abortions. It's messy. It's pretty awful stuff. The brain has mostly formed at that stage.... so aren't they people? A human brain is a human brain, no matter if it's on the outside or the inside of a womb, it's still a human brain.
Which is why I support the current Australian law which states that Early Term Abortions or research using embryos = A-OK! But Very Late Term abortions...... uh, why is that okay? We KNOW that pre-mature born babies can survive perfectly fine (again, my brother is one of them). We know that at some stage BEFORE birth, the brain has already been formed. Why is it okay to destroy a brain just because it's in a womb, but the very second it's outside the womb it's suddenly fine?
I'm all for destroying brainless embryos or nearly brainless fotesus - you can't pretend they're people if they have no brains. But once the brain forms, that's where I draw the line, in most circumstances.
Abortion AFTER the brain has formed? Big problem.
We are our brains. All our memories, cognitive abilities, emotions and ability to sense the environment are in our brains. Anyone who has studied even a tiny bit of modern neuroscience knows this. Anyone who has read the case of Phineas Gage also knows this. Anyone who has ever heard of Brocka's Aphasia knows this. We ARE our brains.
So aborting a foetus when the brain has not formed is akin to killing a brain-dead patient - there's nothing wrong with it, since without the brain, they aren't human. Embryos, blastocysts and very early stage foetuses cannot be called human because they 1) Have no Brain, 2) Cannot survive outside the womb in any way shape or form and 3) Can't feel pain (because they have no brain - no brain, no pain).
A brainless early stage foetus is NOT a human. It might BECOME a human at some later stage, but without the brain, it is not human yet.
However, when the brain has mostly formed, I am very, very, very hesitant to allow Abortion. If the mother's life has been threatened or in the case of rape or incest, I'd allow abortion, but not really for any other reason. I say personhood comes with the brain, and late-stage foetuses already have brains. My brother was born 1 month premature and he survived just fine and is the perfectly wonderful person I know my brother to be. Therefore, at some stage after conception, but before birth, most children are most fully formed but just haven't been born yet. Just because they're in a womb doesn't mean they aren't people.
I, as an atheist, don't believe in the soul. At all. I'm also not one of those people who think that "human life beings at conception". Life exists before and after conception (sperm cells are technically "alive" in a biological sense), but human life only, ONLY begins with the formation of the brain.
Now on to the case of the person who killed his fully formed baby, that's incomprehensibly evil. The Baby HAD a brain. It was cognizant and alive and could feel pain (because it has a brain - nerves transmit signals to the brain which interprets the sensation of pain).
It is not the same thing as using embryos for research, or the same thing as early stage abortion - because embryos have no brains. None. At all. Embryos don't even HAVE any neural tissue - so it can't sense pain. Again, if there's NO BRAIN, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO SENSE PAIN WITH! If there's no brain, there's no consciousness or personality or thoughts or ideals or dreams or hopes or desires or anything.
However, in the case very late stage abortions.... I am extremely uncomfortable allowing them except for the most dire of circumstances (such as threat to a mother's life). If a baby is, say, one week away from term.... hasn't the brain mostly formed? They might not be fully conscious, but then again, neither are you when you're asleep. But it's not okay to kill people in their sleep now is it? I've seen.... medical footage of very late term abortions. It's messy. It's pretty awful stuff. The brain has mostly formed at that stage.... so aren't they people? A human brain is a human brain, no matter if it's on the outside or the inside of a womb, it's still a human brain.
Which is why I support the current Australian law which states that Early Term Abortions or research using embryos = A-OK! But Very Late Term abortions...... uh, why is that okay? We KNOW that pre-mature born babies can survive perfectly fine (again, my brother is one of them). We know that at some stage BEFORE birth, the brain has already been formed. Why is it okay to destroy a brain just because it's in a womb, but the very second it's outside the womb it's suddenly fine?
I'm all for destroying brainless embryos or nearly brainless fotesus - you can't pretend they're people if they have no brains. But once the brain forms, that's where I draw the line, in most circumstances.
