Man shoots up Gym in Penn. Killing 3 then himself. THIS is what was going through his mind.

[crypt-creature]

You don't base you attraction on anything, it's just a natural element that you have absolutely no control of. You don't necessarily have to act on it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. If you could chose what you were attracted to you wouldn't have people that find jam covered feet sexy, or those that find sheep erotic, or even homosexuals for that matter. Attractions may change over time, yes, but not because you consciously chose too.

Your talking about emotion and attachment; you can develop a strong attachment to someone and very deep emotions, even if you don't necessarily find them appealing at first, but they are not the same as attraction.

If attraction took so long to develop then how can you explain when a person will date someone or sleep with someone when they know they obviously shouldn't? Why is it they say nice girls like bad guys, and they will be with a person that constantly makes them unhappy? Attraction will short out your brain and is such a powerful force that it can cause you to completely ignore your common sense and other various emotions.

A fetish attraction is a little different than an attraction to another human.
I'm not trying to imply that a person will normally make the decision to find another type of person or thing attractive, but that people are limiting their own scope of who or what they find attractive.
A homosexual is attracted to their own sex, but most of the time are initially afraid to do so, either because they are afraid of being shunned or because people around them tell them it's wrong to feel that way. Some settle down with a woman to keep up the appearance of being 'straight', and deny their real attraction.

A persons physical attractiveness doesn't have to be the first and only reason you decide to date or talk to the person. It helps, but that isn't always because it's a physical attraction, which is what I'm arguing about.
Attraction doesn't have to be physical, but seems to be more of what people base their interest in a person on. You can find someone more physically attractive over time, than when they initially met them.

Personally, I see it as they sleep with someone they shouldn't because it excites them. They might be attracted to the 'bad boys' because of the look, but that doesn't mean they're attracted to the personality. Why do they stay with them? Because they don't know any better, instant gratification, they are afraid of being alone, low self-esteem, being blinded by physical attraction when they know that this person is bad for them, fear, media influences, there are a countless number of reasons.
Physical attraction will blind you, if you let it. There are plenty of people that let it happen.

 

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

I haven't had much experience in the relationship deparentment, I can kinda understand what this guy was saying.

But killing people out of your frustration? That's not fair to them. That's not fair no matter how you look at it.

May the women involved in this RIP. And the man too, as messed up as he was.

 

[crypt-creature]

But again, a person who doesn't want to be romantically involved with a person can still date them, that doesn't mean that they will stay with them. If it gets more serious than they care for, they leave. If they get bored with the person, they leave. That is quickly becoming a "normal" situation with people these days. A lot of people have unrealistic standards, young or old, and it's becoming more common.

I think it's more that people are realizing that 'hey I probably won't die as young as my parents so I might spend twice as long married as the people in any other generation of history so I better make sure this is going to last'.

I mean, when most people dropped dead of stuff like TB and ass cancer at 50, they could afford to be a little less choosy when it came to who they were going to spend the rest of their life with.

It feels like some are realizing that, while the number of those using it as an excuse to just sleep around to feed their own ego seem to be on the rise.

Nothing wrong with that--can't have a healthy relationship without two healthy egos.

Our sexual identity is an essential part of our overall identity as a person. Some people need to explore before the settle for someone's boring funny book makin' ass for all time.

And even then, there's polyamory and open marriages.

There's nothing wrong with it, but at the same time it feels like more people leap without looking, so to speak.
They find a person the looks good physically and they get involved right away, they don't test the waters.
Sometimes it's just how fake people are when they try to find someone to be with, as if they completely deny their identity for something society or the media has deemed 'better', which just causes more problems in the long run.

More or less, people being more irresponsible with the issue than they probably should be.

 

[crypt-creature]

There's nothing wrong with it, but at the same time it feels like more people leap without looking, so to speak.
They find a person the looks good physically and they get involved right away, they don't test the waters.
Sometimes it's just how fake people are when they try to find someone to be with, as if they completely deny their identity for something society or the media has deemed 'better', which just causes more problems in the long run.

More or less, people being more irresponsible with the issue than they probably should be.

Eh, doesn't seem any 'more' irresponsible than ever before. It's not like there was ever some golden age when people weren't denying their identity for something society or the media had deemed 'better'.

If anything, I'd say things are better now than ever before.

Perhaps I should have added 'normal' into that sentence somewhere. Pretty sure that is what bothers me about it too, having it enter into an accepted state of normality (my brain connects it to underage pregnancies and all that stuff, divorces in which the couple shouldn't have been married in the first place, hence the 'irresponsible' portion of it. I also have a bad habit of not being terribly specific in my explanations until much later in a discussion.)

 

[crypt-creature]

Perhaps I should have added 'normal' into that sentence somewhere. Pretty sure that is what bothers me about it too, having it enter into an accepted state of normality (my brain connects it to underage pregnancies and all that stuff, divorces in which the couple shouldn't have been married in the first place, hence the 'irresponsible' portion of it. I also have a bad habit of not being terribly specific in my explanations until much later in a discussion.)

Well, I'd say there's a difference between "sleeping around" and "getting married." As far as pregnancy, well, that's not so much a matter of sleeping around as it is a matter of heterosexual intercourse in the first place.

But would you say there are more people pregnant due to a marriage or from people sleeping around too much and not taking the right measures to prevent it?
People acknowledge that kids and young adults have sex, many that are not married or that don't plan to be, and many still that are irresponsible about taking the measures to prevent pregnancy.
Most of those people seem attracted to each other based on mostly looks, after a while they can't seem to stand each other and then the dreaded news crops up.
That's basically how my brain makes the 'attraction is based far too much on looks' connection (these are also just personal observations).

 

[rated pg]

How the hell can anyone fell sorry for this psychotic loser? What about the victims? Did anyone ever think for a second that the reason women didn't want anything to do with him is because he was a weirdo? I have a friend who is a 26 year old virgin because of his attitude towards women. They don't like him because he's bitter and he's bitter because they don't like him. But concerning this murdering ass, I don't relate to him in any way nor feel empathy, his lack of social life was clearly his own doing and because he didn't have the balls to change it he made others suffer for it. He should have just saved himself the trip and only killed himself, or gotten therapy.

No one said they weren't feeling sympathetic for the women, but is there any reason you can't feel badly for both sides in this? Did you read his blog page?

 

[dsau]

i definitely feel for the dude in this, im not justifying what he did but think of how big of a part of our daily lives revolves around sex. think of how big celebrities are in our society, we are obsessed with them, and it is told to us that everything they do, we should do. so this guy cant get a date, cant find a girl, and all he sees when he turns on his tv is shows about sex and love, and stories about sex and love, which probably implied to him that everyone is getting laid except him. so hes got the media adding to his frustrations which he sees everyday, fueling his anger.even if he wasnt looking for sex and wanted love instead its the same thing, just cause he was old doesnt mean he was wise. sex and love are essentially the same thing when you ask hollywood and all the mainstream media(not my personal view).

ok enough on the media im just trying to see he frustrations that plagued him everyday.

i think its fairly obvious that he was having a midlife crisis meltdown. in society we track our progress through life and how well were doing through goals and feats n such. many of these rely on being married. i know that when my dad walks in a room the first thing people are going to ask is, hows work, hows the wife, and how are the kids.this man didnt have a wife and kid and was working the same job for many years, so he probably felt that he done nothing with his whole life.(you can argue he hadnt done anything but that takes off in a whole conversation about being significant and mattering which i wont go into to save you all time).

and finally he must not understood people, he must have had poor social skills.

so think about this lonely man, who was bombarded by sex and love daily, which were the two things he wasnt getting, and add that to his possible feeling of uselessness and worthlessness. i think it makes sense he blamed women judging by how they are portrayed and how we see them. which was his failure he didnt understand women, he only saw them from the point of view of mainstream media. i could be wrong on a lot of this but hey it was worth a shot.

and to clarify my statement, im not talking bad about women, im just identifying how the media points you out and recognizes you as things, not people. look at two and a half men and other shows, so to him this poor treament of women and that they are "easy" is reality to him, even though its not true. im not trying to offend anyone

 

[quiet_samurai]

How the hell can anyone fell sorry for this psychotic loser? What about the victims? Did anyone ever think for a second that the reason women didn't want anything to do with him is because he was a weirdo? I have a friend who is a 26 year old virgin because of his attitude towards women. They don't like him because he's bitter and he's bitter because they don't like him. But concerning this murdering ass, I don't relate to him in any way nor feel empathy, his lack of social life was clearly his own doing and because he didn't have the balls to change it he made others suffer for it. He should have just saved himself the trip and only killed himself, or gotten therapy.

No one said they weren't feeling sympathetic for the women, but is there any reason you can't feel badly for both sides in this? Did you read his blog page?

Yes I read his blogs. I just refuse to feel sorry for a person that thinks the only way to get any value in life is to murder people who had nothing to do with his pain. Three people will no longer be on this earth because the guy is a fucking loser and an all around evil self righteuos selfish bastard.

 

[dsau]

its humorous to read the responses and see all the sexually repressed energy spewing out

 

[Logan Badass]

What a little parasite. "I've got problems, so why don't I go kill some people who maybe happier than I am. Just becase." I'll say the only relatively good thing he may have done in his life was get that woman pregnant. Other than that, he was just a leech on the underbelly of humanity.

 

[crypt-creature]

Well, I don't know what the problem is with married people being pregnant; as for people sleeping around too much and not taking the right measures to prevent it, I think the important characteristic of that group is the "not taking the right measures to prevent it" as opposed to the "sleeping around" part.

"too much" is a value judgment.

Fact is, better to sleep around and take the right measures than only sleep with one person and not take those measures from a 'getting pregnant' standpoint.

To me it just seems people who consider spending their life with one another will take the 'not getting pregnant' measures a little farther than those just sleeping around.
Some of the issue I have with the 'sleeping around' part is that some people are manipulative with it. I suppose there is always a slight manipulation with attraction, but in the interest of 'I'm getting laid tonight' people seem to drag it too far.

Sure, but like I said above, the problem isn't that people are having too much sex, they're having too much *irresponsible* sex.

Someone may be having more overall sex with more partners, but still be having *less* irresponsible sex. It's like eating properly cooked hamburgers all the time with meat from different butchers as opposed to a couple of hamburgers from one butcher that you eat undercooked--the person eating less burgers is nevertheless the one with the greater danger of e.coli

That's really what I'm arguing about is people being irresponsible with their actions. When it comes to attraction it seems things are a little more so than most other issues.
In your example, my view is that more people are eating more undercooked burgers and less properly cooked burgers. And once something happens to the people eating the undercooked burgers, they take no responsibility for the outcome of the situation.

Well, sure, but short of re-wiring the human brain I don't see how we're supposed to change that. I mean, if two people are attracted to each other based on the fact that they really enjoy each other's personalities as friends--but not as a couple--you have the same problem.

I'm not saying lets re-write the human brain, just that so many people say humans are better because we can think for ourselves and use rational thought instead of just our impulses. Yet, people don't want to do such a thing towards the matter of attraction. They take the first impulse and run with it.
Attraction is both a physical and mental and mental process, unless you just want to have a good lay. In which case, I'd at least hope they'd have enough of a brain to remember a condom and use it.

 

[LongLiveourMachine]

This guy should have joined fight club, he really sounds like he needs Tyler Durdan, not a girl

 

[quiet_samurai]

How the hell can anyone fell sorry for this psychotic loser? What about the victims? Did anyone ever think for a second that the reason women didn't want anything to do with him is because he was a weirdo? I have a friend who is a 26 year old virgin because of his attitude towards women. They don't like him because he's bitter and he's bitter because they don't like him. But concerning this murdering ass, I don't relate to him in any way nor feel empathy, his lack of social life was clearly his own doing and because he didn't have the balls to change it he made others suffer for it. He should have just saved himself the trip and only killed himself, or gotten therapy.

No one said they weren't feeling sympathetic for the women, but is there any reason you can't feel badly for both sides in this? Did you read his blog page?

Yes I read his blogs. I just refuse to feel sorry for a person that thinks the only way to get any value in life is to murder people who had nothing to do with his pain. Three people will no longer be on this earth because the guy is a fucking loser and an all around evil self righteuos selfish bastard.

The sad part is, people already thought of him as a loser.

And let's face it--in this society, being a loser is about as bad as being evil sometimes. In fact, it may be worse--this guy can't get laid and he's not evil until one day he snaps, while someone truly evil like Charles Manson not only gets laid, he's got a harem.

That not only have sex with him whenever he wants, but they're willing to go out and kill for him.

It's all pretty messed up. Especially when being a "self righteuos selfish bastard" will help you get rich. Which will then get you laid.

Manson was a completely different type of evil though. Manson was like Hitler, he had followers and people looked up to him for leadership. And I only call this guy a loser because of the extreme he took it too. I know people that society would deem as losers, and they have relationships. There was something mentally and socially wrong with this guy, and yet he was too arrogant to try and seek help for it. I deplore him because he makes himself off as the victim when he has nobody to blame but himself.

 

[Jeronus]

This is probably the most insightful thing I have ever read. I would have like to followed this guy around and just watch him, but I can't help but think his quality of life would have improved if he had a Xbox 360 or a Wii.

 

[Manbro]

Makes me never want to be without a girlfriend ever again...lest I turn into a crazy gunmen.