Mass Effect 3 Beta Leak

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This looks so awesome I cannot wait for this game, i dare say that for me ME3 is more anticipated than Skyrim (blasphemy I know, i already preordered skyrim though so calm down)

One sad thing though, I am convinced that Anderson will die in the beginning Jenkins died, Wilson died, and from what i've seen Anderson will accompany you on the first mission of ME3,.. this makes me a sad kamina

I'm not getting the hate over the game modes. Just choose 'RPG mode' and then look down your incredibly long nose at anyone who dares to play the game differently, and you're all set.

In other news, Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age: Origins were corporate sell-out CoD-clones because they had casual/easy difficulty settings, right?

This also, i dont get why people whine about it, it actually seems like an improvement, if you know that your always going to be a Renegade/Paragon then choose action mode, if you dont like action but love the story choose Story mode, and if you want both choose RPG mode, it also looks like these are just presets and you can customize your own mode, so yeah, this is great

Actually, its always the second character you pick up that dies, so don't worry about Andyson!

 

[SacremPyrobolum]

this looks the same as me2. which means it'll be shit.

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seriously bioware, did you watch ANY of smudboy's videos?

Ah, a ME2 = Gears of War proponent? *sigh*

If they watched smudboy's videos, I imagine they probably had rational reasons to discard many of his suggestions. I disagreed with a large amount of what smudboy said. He wants a specific type of experience, and the majority of his complaints were nit-picky at worst, and preference based at best.

The story/action/RPG mode disturbs me slightly, but ME2 was largely an improvement on ME1, and based on the little preview information we've had, the gameplay seems to be getting further improvement. I'm hoping that the RPG aspects will also get a bit of a tweak along the way, but we'll just have to wait and see.

by the comment about smudboy, i meant the massive LAZARUS PROJECT thingy on one of the screens, which means they're bringing even more retcons and stupid science to the table.

I think Lazarus was only their for either testing purposes or as a way to edit your character. In no point during the beta did it ever even mention Lazarus as a story element.

 

[Jedoro]

*GASP* HELMET HIDE OPTION! Nice!

This

I would've rocked the Blood Dragon Armor in ME2 if I could've taken off the damn helmet when I was in atmo.

 

[Knight Templar]

by the comment about smudboy, I meant the massive LAZARUS PROJECT thingy on one of the screens, which means they're bringing even more retcons and stupid science to the table.

Did you miss me pointing out that we know we don't have Lazarus and it seems to be just a re-use of the ME2 facemaker?

Did you read that or is the simple and logical explanation not fitting in with this thing you have going?

Haha, what? 60 minutes? Good lord, no I understand the connection to RedLetterMedia. Maybe I'll watch a little fo it and see how full of shit it is...maybe, or nah, I won't bother, if anyone wanna start arguing with me, they're gonna have to type their arguments.

But seriously, why would anyone whine in an hour over a game like ME 2? Granted, it's not the best game ever made, but an hour? Holy shit, he must be insane.

He isn't without valid points. But he presents everything as being done in only one way, lacks the support needed to make many of his claims and never misses the chance to take a cheap shot. A plot analysis shouldn't include a visual glitch or marketing, you know?

 

[deathbydeath]

this looks the same as me2. which means it'll be shit.

Judging games when they are unfinished makes you really smart.

no, judging games based on trends in games, developers, publishers, press, and also comparing sales, recognition, and awards makes me smart. except for the fact that i'm stupid. that doesn't make me smart.

by the comment about smudboy, I meant the massive LAZARUS PROJECT thingy on one of the screens, which means they're bringing even more retcons and stupid science to the table.

Did you miss me pointing out that we know we don't have Lazarus and it seems to be just a re-use of the ME2 facemaker?

Did you read that or is the simple and logical explanation not fitting in with this thing you have going?

SNIP

MOAR SNIP

bioware isn't too lazy to leave in two words from the previous installment, not with all of the other changes they made. sure, they're probably leaving the base code in, they did that with me2, but just copy/pasting it into a beta a year into the development time would give worse impressions than not having it at all. It's not that i'm not compatible with logic, i'm just not compatible with yours.

 

[deathbydeath]

this looks the same as me2. which means it'll be shit.

...

seriously bioware, did you watch ANY of smudboy's videos?

Ah, a ME2 = Gears of War proponent? *sigh*

If they watched smudboy's videos, I imagine they probably had rational reasons to discard many of his suggestions. I disagreed with a large amount of what smudboy said. He wants a specific type of experience, and the majority of his complaints were nit-picky at worst, and preference based at best.

The story/action/RPG mode disturbs me slightly, but ME2 was largely an improvement on ME1, and based on the little preview information we've had, the gameplay seems to be getting further improvement. I'm hoping that the RPG aspects will also get a bit of a tweak along the way, but we'll just have to wait and see.

by the comment about smudboy, i meant the massive LAZARUS PROJECT thingy on one of the screens, which means they're bringing even more retcons and stupid science to the table.

I think Lazarus was only their for either testing purposes or as a way to edit your character. In no point during the beta did it ever even mention Lazarus as a story element.

since i'm short one xbox 360, please enlighten me with a basic synopsis.

 

[SillyBear]

this looks the same as me2. which means it'll be shit.

Judging games when they are unfinished makes you really smart.

no, judging games based on trends in games, developers, publishers, press, and also comparing sales, recognition, and awards makes me smart. except for the fact that i'm stupid. that doesn't make me smart.

Except that isn't what you just did above at all. You said:

"IT LOOKS LIKE ME2 SO IT WILL SUCK!!!"

It looks like ME2 because most of the visuals haven't even been rendered yet. Passing judgement about something that is clearly unfinished makes you sound incredibly annoying. Please, try to be a little more thoughtful than that.

It is painfully clear that both the gameplay and the textures were not even close to be finished in the leak build.

Save your armchair opinions until the actual game comes out. Although from the looks of it, you've already made your mind up about the whole series. I think it's fair to say you'll be whining regardless, right?

 

[Knight Templar]

bioware isn't too lazy to leave in two words from the previous installment, not with all of the other changes they made.

Given this is not the finished product I think it's safe to assume they do intend to remove those words at some point.

sure, they're probably leaving the base code in, they did that with me2,

Which would mean it would still have the name.

but just copy/pasting it into a beta a year into the development time would give worse impressions than not having it at all.

Impressions for whom? This is an internal beta, we are not supposed to see these things and it's clearly unfinished in many areas, do you honestly think it will look like this when finished?

It's not that I'm not compatible with logic, I'm just not compatible with yours.

You are looking at the face maker taken from ME2, even admiting it is from ME2, and assuming that because it's the one from ME2 we will have another Lazarus project, even though we know we will not.
You are not making any sense.

 

[deathbydeath]

this looks the same as me2. which means it'll be shit.

Judging games when they are unfinished makes you really smart.

no, judging games based on trends in games, developers, publishers, press, and also comparing sales, recognition, and awards makes me smart. except for the fact that i'm stupid. that doesn't make me smart.

Except that isn't what you just did above at all. You said:

"IT LOOKS LIKE ME2 SO IT WILL SUCK!!!"

It looks like ME2 because most of the visuals haven't even been rendered yet. Passing judgement about something that is clearly unfinished makes you sound incredibly annoying. Please, try to be a little more thoughtful than that.

It is painfully clear that both the gameplay and the textures were not even close to be finished in the leak build.

Save your armchair opinions until the actual game comes out. Although from the looks of it, you've already made your mind up about the whole series. I think it's fair to say you'll be whining regardless, right?

by "it looks like me2", i mean the whole shebang, which is most of what i mentioned above. (sorry i wasn't clear 'bout that) graphics mean practically nothing to me, unless they get in the way, and that doesn't happen much. and my mind could change, but that's only if they had the overarching plot quality and core combat of me1, and the powers and side writing quality of me2. don't get me wrong, i love me2 more than me1, but also hate it more, too.

 

[Zhukov]

but what if we want a game with a good story, good combat, AND good rpg elements?

Then we read the game mode descriptions like intelligent people and notice that 'RPG mode' says the following: "RPG Mode: For those who want to explore both realms of story and combat. RPG mode will set manually-selectable replies in conversation and a normal combat difficulty."

In other words, 'RPG mode' is normal Mass Effect. Combat, dialogue options and stat management.

i apologize for not being able to access the menu and read each of the description because i don't own an xbox.

So? I don't own one either. I just took the time to click the links in the OP and read some posts in this very thread before whining my little arse off based on incomplete information.

 

[deathbydeath]

bioware isn't too lazy to leave in two words from the previous installment, not with all of the other changes they made.

Given this is not the finished product I think it's safe to assume they do intend to remove those words at some point.

why wouldn't they do that now? there's no point to risk losing customers by being lazy, especially not when you change most everything else. all they had to do was push the delete button.

sure, they're probably leaving the base code in, they did that with me2,

Which would mean it would still have the name.[/quote]
no, the word "lazarus" is not part of the core coding. that'd be the sliders and face changes.

but just copy/pasting it into a beta a year into the development time would give worse impressions than not having it at all.

Impressions for whom? This is an internal beta, we are not supposed to see these things and it's clearly unfinished in many areas, do you honestly think it will look like this when finished?[/quote]
it's possible for a beta to deter people from the final product, and plain laziness certainly doesn't make a person want to chuck $60 at them

It's not that I'm not compatible with logic, I'm just not compatible with yours.

You are looking at the face maker taken from ME2, even admiting it is from ME2, and assuming that because it's the one from ME2 we will have another Lazarus project, even though we know we will not.
You are not making any sense.[/quote]
we're not looking at the face maker from me2, i'm looking at the one from me1 that was used in me2. i'm also pointing reasons why bioware wouldn't leave the words "lazarus project" in there unintentionally. after all, the there was no evidence that the gatorade cerberus used to bring shepard back to life was destroyed.

 

[deathbydeath]

but what if we want a game with a good story, good combat, AND good rpg elements?

Then we read the game mode descriptions like intelligent people and notice that 'RPG mode' says the following: "RPG Mode: For those who want to explore both realms of story and combat. RPG mode will set manually-selectable replies in conversation and a normal combat difficulty."

In other words, 'RPG mode' is normal Mass Effect. Combat, dialogue options and stat management.

i apologize for not being able to access the menu and read each of the description because i don't own an xbox.

So? I don't own one either. I just took the time to click the links in the OP and read some posts in this very thread before whining my little arse off based on incomplete information.

hmm, i'll look again. and i did click the links, otherwise i wouldn't have been able to read the mode descriptions, or other stuff, for that matter. and my ass is still attached, by the way.

 

[Knight Templar]

why wouldn't they do that now? there's no point to risk losing customers by being lazy, especially not when you change most everything else. all they had to do was push the delete button.

Why is there a risk? This is an internal Beta, customers should never even see it.
Plus we don't know how easy or hard it would be for them to change the name, only that they didn't bother to do so.

no, the word "Lazarus" is not part of the core coding. that'd be the sliders and face changes.

But since they took the face maker wholesale, it would be expected to be there.

it's possible for a beta to deter people from the final product, and plain laziness certainly doesn't make a person want to chuck $60 at them

But this is an internal beta, I already pointed this out.

we're not looking at the face maker from me2, I'm looking at the one from me1 that was used in me2.

It looks exactly like the one from ME2, that that one was made from ME1's face maker doesn't change that, since ME1's didn't look like this.
Or are you suggesting that they took the ME1 face maker and used that to remake the ME2 one for use in ME3?

I'm also pointing reasons why bioware wouldn't leave the words "Lazarus project" in there unintentionally.

None of which are valid.

after all, the there was no evidence that the gatorade Cerberus used to bring Shepard back to life was destroyed.

Except the fact the entire cell and base were destroyed down to two people, and Cerberus isn't going to bring you back to life even if they had the ability. But more importantly is the fact Shepard doesn't die between ME2 and 3. There isn't any reason to bring back somebody who was never gone, no incentive for Cerb to help and no place for this event to occur. let us assume Lazarus is coming back in some shape or form. It will not be needed or able to help Shepard, so moot point anyway.


There is evidence against the suggestion that there will be another Lazarus, and nothing to support it. That the face maker looks the same as the one from ME2 suggests it's the one from ME2, nothing more.

Why would they have things there that will not be in the final product? Because it's a beta, thats kinda the point.

 

[deathbydeath]

why wouldn't they do that now? there's no point to risk losing customers by being lazy, especially not when you change most everything else. all they had to do was push the delete button.

Why is there a risk? This is an internal Beta, customers should never even see it.
Plus we don't know how easy or hard it would be for them to change the name, only that they didn't bother to do so.

no, the word "Lazarus" is not part of the core coding. that'd be the sliders and face changes.

But since they took the face maker wholesale, it would be expected to be there.

it's possible for a beta to deter people from the final product, and plain laziness certainly doesn't make a person want to chuck $60 at them

But this is an internal beta, I already pointed this out.

we're not looking at the face maker from me2, I'm looking at the one from me1 that was used in me2.

It looks exactly like the one from ME2, that that one was made from ME1's face maker doesn't change that, since ME1's didn't look like this.
Or are you suggesting that they took the ME1 face maker and used that to remake the ME2 one for use in ME3?

I'm also pointing reasons why bioware wouldn't leave the words "Lazarus project" in there unintentionally.

None of which are valid.

after all, the there was no evidence that the gatorade Cerberus used to bring Shepard back to life was destroyed.

Except the fact the entire cell and base were destroyed down to two people, and Cerberus isn't going to bring you back to life even if they had the ability. But more importantly is the fact Shepard doesn't die between ME2 and 3. There isn't any reason to bring back somebody who was never gone, no incentive for Cerb to help and no place for this event to occur. let us assume Lazarus is coming back in some shape or form. It will not be needed or able to help Shepard, so moot point anyway.


There is evidence against the suggestion that there will be another Lazarus, and nothing to support it. That the face maker looks the same as the one from ME2 suggests it's the one from ME2, nothing more.

Why would they have things there that will not be in the final product? Because it's a beta, thats kinda the point.

based on the video, it looks like an alpha 1.5, the station lazarus was performed on, minuteman, was not destroyed, or at least it was not shown, and i severely doubt everyone was killed by wilson's attack, it is possible for shepard to die at the end of me2, if only 1/none of his squadmates survive the suicide mission, and miranda, since she was one of the project leads, probably jotted down some notes about how the gatorade worked between bitching about her perfection and showing off her ass in front of the camera.

 

[deathbydeath]

SNIP!!!

based on the video, it looks like an alpha 1.5, the station lazarus was performed on, minuteman, was not destroyed, or at least it was not shown, and i severely doubt everyone was killed by wilson's attack, it is possible for shepard to die at the end of me2, if only 1/none of his squadmates survive the suicide mission, and miranda, since she was one of the project leads, probably jotted down some notes about how the gatorade worked between bitching about her perfection and showing off her ass in front of the camera.

EDIT (i didn't see some of your earlier posts):
my overarching point about the face maker:
if they change the fucking menu screens, add a whole goddamn new menu, and redesign the hud, why wouldn't they remove a bloody logo unless it still had some value?

 

[Knight Templar]

the station Lazarus was performed on, Minuteman, was not destroyed, or at least it was not shown,

The Lazarus Research Station was destroyed remotely after you left.
Minuteman Station is a different place, I would assume it serves as some kind of hub, given all the defences and the point of contact for TIM.

and I severely doubt everyone was killed by Wilson's attack,

I suppose some people could have been away from the station, true. However those people wouldn't have been involved in rebuilding Shepard or very important since the station was the base of operations and location of the project's work, such people would be your crew and other Normandy SR2 related personal.

it is possible for Shepard to die at the end of me2

And if this happens you cannot import that save.

Miranda, since she was one of the project leads, probably jotted down some notes about how the gatorade worked

Which might be useful if you were dead and had a few years to be remade. This is not the case however, and thus it doesn't matter if some data was salvaged.
What is this gatorade you refer to anyway?

EDIT: Wait untill I respond to your second post before replying to me.
EDIT: here we go.

EDIT (i didn't see some of your earlier posts):

I have been getting that impression.

my overarching point about the face maker:
if they change the fucking menu screens, add a whole goddamn new menu, and redesign the hud, why wouldn't they remove a bloody logo unless it still had some value?

Because it's unfinished.
Is this very simple fact not getting through to you? Do you think "" is going to sit in the description box come release?

For crying out loud if there was to be a Lazarus wouldn't it be mentioned somewhere other than the spot a leftover would be? There is no other mention or even a hint, and you need to throw up all this silly stuff to make it something it isn't.

 

[AmstradHero]

if they change the fucking menu screens, add a whole goddamn new menu, and redesign the hud, why wouldn't they remove a bloody logo unless it still had some value?

Perhaps because they didn't:
(a) Think the beta would be leaked at this stage
(b) Think someone would over-react and cry "ZOMG BIOWEAR IZ LAEM!!!!!1ONEELEVENONE11111!!!1" because no one had edited a string yet.

Ahhh, how wrong they were. It's a pre-release beta (they're usually known as an alpha). They have things that haven't gone through full QA yet.

I'll be waiting until I see the full game before I pass judgement on how good/bad it is, but by all means be my guest and go ahead and declare gaping plot holes and flaws in an unreleased product that you haven't even touched yet.

 

[deathbydeath]

the station Lazarus was performed on, Minuteman, was not destroyed, or at least it was not shown,

The Lazarus Research Station was destroyed remotely after you left.
Minuteman Station is a different place, I would assume it serves as some kind of hub, given all the defences and the point of contact for TIM.

sorry, wrong wiki article. anyway, i see no evidence that the lazarus station was destroyed, but it's probably not in optimal condition after wilson's attack. unless you can show me the cutscene, i believe my point here still stands.

and I severely doubt everyone was killed by Wilson's attack,

I suppose some people could have been away from the station, true. However those people wouldn't have been involved in rebuilding Shepard or very important since the station was the base of operations and location of the project's work, such people would be your crew and other Normandy SR2 related personal.[/quote]
oh yeah, forgot about them. they probably had a hand in the tech, they could piece together some bits of it, or at least enough for other scientists to take over from.

it is possible for Shepard to die at the end of me2

And if this happens you cannot import that save.[/quote]
where was that said? if so, it seems kind of cheap to just leave it there.

Miranda, since she was one of the project leads, probably jotted down some notes about how the gatorade worked

Which might be useful if you were dead and had a few years to be remade. This is not the case however, and thus it doesn't matter if some data was salvaged.
What is this gatorade you refer to anyway?[/quote]
since there's no technology mentioned in the resurrection scene, the only clip of stuff that happens is shepard's arteries being injected with something that looks like red gatorade.
EDIT: Wait untill I respond to your second post before replying to me.
EDIT: here we go.

EDIT (i didn't see some of your earlier posts):

I have been getting that impression.[/quote]
i meant earlier points in the post. my first rebuttal was against the last bit.

snip

Because it's unfinished.
Is this very simple fact not getting through to you? Do you think "" is going to sit in the description box come release?

For crying out loud if there was to be a Lazarus wouldn't it be mentioned somewhere other than the spot a leftover would be? There is no other mention or even a hint, and you need to throw up all this silly stuff to make it something it isn't.[/quote]
the whole lazarus thingy is probably there in case shepard is dead in the beginning, so they don't have to redo dialogue lines, and the tech could be used with an in-game explanation for changing shepard around. and the custom0 could be a template for shepard's face.

out of curiosity, why are we still arguing?