Mass Effect 3: Retake Mass Effect Ending Child's Play Movement

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AD-Stu

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LiquidGrape said:
Game development isn't democratic, people.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but in this particular case I think Bioware have made a rod for their own backs. Throughout they entire series they've made a big hairy deal of how much they love their fans, how much they listen to their ideas, value them and take them on board.

When everybody pissed and moaned about the Mako sucking in ME1, they removed it from ME2 and replaced it with planet scanning. When everyone pissed and moaned that planet scanning sucked in ME2, they gave us the DLC Hammerhead, then scaled it all right back for ME3. When people complained that there weren't any gay romance options in the previous games, they included them in ME3. When people got up in arms about the leaked plot details of ME3, they apparently went back and made changes to the story.

They've established a pattern, so it's hardly surprising to see fans resorting to it again.
 

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...Really? This is a real thing? I mean, its a good idea in a sense, but your raising money for a chance to change a really shitty ending, Something about this feels really off to me.
 

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No. You can't be serious. No. God no. Don't let this be real.

...Holy fuuuuuuuck

We get it. You don't like the ending. GET OVER IT. You can't go crying to a dev whenever they do something you don't like. This is one of the most childish things I've ever seen. And as I said, we get it, everyone with a brain can see why people wouldn't like the ending, but this... The petition was already ridiculous enough. We already know you people can't handle disappointment. But now, using charity as a front for butthurt...

I give up. Fine. Keep bitching. Some day you'll have to learn that you can't have everything.
 

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Lunar Templar said:
Iwata said:
This whole debacle is really reaching new levels of absurdity...
no shit -.-

now they're dragging a charity into it, wonderful, way to kill the credibility of a charity with this pointless fanboy pissing and moaning-a-thon
Yeah I feel the same way, basically just using a charity to try and draw attention to how much they didn't like Bioware's ending. I mean it feels like it's just using Child's Play as an engine to say "This ending sucked, look at the donations to charity proving it, so change it!" Instead of the actual purpose which is to give toys to children. That's the main reason this leaves a sour taste in my mouth upon seeing this. Because it makes it not about the charity, but about the frustrations of people over a video game.
 

Shock and Awe

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Okay, I think all this stuff about Mass Effects ending is getting WAY our of hand. I'm all for charity, but really people?
 

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Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.
So if a company releases a game with shitty code that makes some part of the game un-playable, the only people that should complain are the ones that can program, right?

The internet is full of stupid arguments. Yours is one of them.

The end of Mass Effect 3 fails to deliver as promised, explicitly. Several BioWare representatives promoting the game before release touted the ending as one that would not leave a lot of unanswered questions, and would provide real choices, not "A, B, or C" (that was from Casey Hudson.) The ending is not as advertised, and is pretty unequivocally broken from a story perspective, including characters magically teleporting to the Normandy, the introduction in the last 3 minutes of a new and vague character (Star Child) around which the entire game trilogy revolves, without any foreshadowing or relevance, and a total failure to wrap up established plot lines. The narrative is broken, as surely as a bugged encounter can be broken.

This isn't just an issue of people not liking it, any more than a bugged boss fight is just an issue of "learn to play." It's fucking broken.

We all know what happened to Knights of the Old Republic II (The Sith Lords) at Obsidian: they ran out of time, so it was pushed out the door and onto shelves with a shitty, unfinished end that didn't make a lot of sense. While Obsidian at the time was trying (unsuccessfully) to follow in BioWare's footsteps, it is sad to see that BioWare is now following in Obsidian's.

Look, Mass Effect 3 is a goddamn brilliant game. It really sets a new standard in interactive storytelling. It is for that reason that the end stands out - it simply doesn't fit with the rest of the game, at all. It is a non sequitur. It is, just to reiterate a point, broken.

Final point: this is not a one-off purchase. A lot of us pre-order and buy games day-one from BioWare and other companies based on their track record, as well as other related crap like soundtracks and the occasional t-shirt or ball cap. When people express their opinion of the endings of Mass Effect 3, they aren't saying "you owe us a new ending, because we are entitled." They're saying, in essence, "if you're satisfied with that ending and don't feel the need to finish this right, that will fundamentally change our business relationship going forward." I buy a lot of games when they hit the $20 mark, a year or so after they are released, and moving BioWare games into that "wait-and-see" category for a big chunk of their fan base isn't whining, or a sense of entitlement, or douche-baggery. It is also avoidable, if BioWare makes good with the patches and DLC to provide an end that makes some sense in the context of the Mass Effect series and ME3 specifically.

I don't give a shit about the day-one DLC, I think the game (other than the end) was a good value at its list price and the DLC was worth what they charged for it. What I do give a shit about is the apparent abandonment of a commitment to quality on the part of one of my favorite game developers. If the Edmonton BioWare studio can't be depended on to avoid story cock-ups like this, well... that's a fucking shame.

All of that aside, giving money to a charity that helps sick kids is a good thing, always, and if you do it to draw attention to your online petition, or to advertise, or to get a tax break, it is still a good thing... because you're helping sick kids. The only thing foul and venomous is your sanctimony on the issue.
 

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Zeel said:
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Zeel said:
You guys can't possibly understand how delicious this is.

It's like watching all your enemies in some gladiator arena beat the shit out of each other.

Go Bioware fanboys! Attack!!
There you are! I was starting to get worried with all the Bioware threads and didn't see you.
I'm waiting for March madness round 3 or 4. when the voting gets REAL. Thats when Bioware fanboys will be put to the test.
My March Bracket is already screwed over, because I forgot all the recent publicity that Double Fine Productions got, and didn't think that would send them soaring (to probably the 3rd or 4th round at least)

So I probably won't vote at all, but yeah, once again, I feel like this isn't about the children, this is all about gamers not being satisfied. Which doesn't sit well with me for charity, seeing as charity is supposed to be more about giving, and not expecting anything back in return. This however, is basically a petition.
 

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I won't state my views on the ME3 ending as this is not the thread for it.

However, I will say that the people who are claiming that this charity is somehow degraded by it's existence, the people who started it, etc, are jerks. Plain and simple. It leaves me the mental image of them walking along the street and viewing a regular joe giving someone in need a few bucks but they are holding a sign saying "I believe in *insert message here*". These people then viciously attack sign-holding person for having the IMMORAL AUDACITY! for giving help to someone while holding that sign. *facepalm*
 

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Zeel said:
Oro44 said:
Zeel said:
You guys can't possibly understand how delicious this is.

It's like watching all your enemies in some gladiator arena beat the shit out of each other.

Go Bioware fanboys! Attack!!
There you are! I was starting to get worried with all the Bioware threads and didn't see you.
I'm waiting for March madness round 3 or 4. when the voting gets REAL. Thats when Bioware fanboys will be put to the test.
I would ALMOST consider myself one of those fanboys. I've enjoyed Bioware games, but they aren't the second coming or anything. I'm pleasantly content with just enjoying ME3 blissfully unaware of the ending. Though after all I've heard, I've started preparing myself mentally for something....transcendentally stupid.
 

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AD-Stu said:
Lunar Templar said:
Iwata said:
This whole debacle is really reaching new levels of absurdity...
no shit -.-

now they're dragging a charity into it, wonderful, way to kill the credibility of a charity with this pointless fanboy pissing and moaning-a-thon
Say what?!?

How exactly does this "kill the credibility" of the charity?
tendji said it better then i would have.

tendaji said:
Yeah I feel the same way, basically just using a charity to try and draw attention to how much they didn't like Bioware's ending. I mean it feels like it's just using Child's Play as an engine to say "This ending sucked, look at the donations to charity proving it, so change it!" Instead of the actual purpose which is to give toys to children. That's the main reason this leaves a sour taste in my mouth upon seeing this. Because it makes it not about the charity, but about the frustrations of people over a video game.
you can gloss it over all you want, they are still miss using a charity for they're own petty, selfish reasons
 

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While I'm happy that money is going to charity, I find this a childish reason to donate. It screams of manipulation, getting people to give up their cash simply because they didn't like a video game ending. I'll at least acknowledge that this is WORLDS better than the petitions clamoring for the Bioware writers to be burned at the stake and whatnot, and obviously Child's Play is a great organization, but I feel people should donate to a charity out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the anger in their soul.

One thing I can't find though is a breakdown of where the funds go. Do 100% go to the charity, or is it only a portion with the rest going to things like letter writing campaign?

Captcha: good morning!
Why thank you Escapist captcha, but I think you're off by about 10 hours.
 

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Buretsu said:
blizzaradragon said:
While I'm happy that money is going to charity, I find this a childish reason to donate. It screams of manipulation, getting people to give up their cash simply because they didn't like a video game ending. I'll at least acknowledge that this is WORLDS better than the petitions clamoring for the Bioware writers to be burned at the stake and whatnot, and obviously Child's Play is a great organization, but I feel people should donate to a charity out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the anger in their soul.

One thing I can't find though is a breakdown of where the funds go. Do 100% go to the charity, or is it only a portion with the rest going to things like letter writing campaign?

Captcha: good morning!
Why thank you Escapist captcha, but I think you're off by about 10 hours.
Legally, they're required to give 100% to charity.
If that's the case then I can back this a bit more since the money is going to a good cause, even if I don't agree with the reason people are donating. I guess all the crap with Invisible Children floating around right now has made me wary of charities lately.
 

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blizzaradragon said:
While I'm happy that money is going to charity, I find this a childish reason to donate. It screams of manipulation, getting people to give up their cash simply because they didn't like a video game ending. I'll at least acknowledge that this is WORLDS better than the petitions clamoring for the Bioware writers to be burned at the stake and whatnot, and obviously Child's Play is a great organization, but I feel people should donate to a charity out of the goodness of their hearts instead of the anger in their soul.

One thing I can't find though is a breakdown of where the funds go. Do 100% go to the charity, or is it only a portion with the rest going to things like letter writing campaign?

Captcha: good morning!
Why thank you Escapist captcha, but I think you're off by about 10 hours.

Created an account for this:


"Description Unit price Qty Amount
Contribution to Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play by The Mass Effect Community (dillonr@siliconashes.net)
$20.00 USD 1 $20.00 USD
Subtotal $20.00 USD
Total $20.00 USD
Payment $20.00 USD
Payment sent to klindsay@penny-arcade.com
From amount $20.35 CAD
To amount $20.00 USD
Exchange rate: 1 Canadian Dollar = 0.982800 U.S. Dollars"

I can also get a receipt directly from Child's Play if need be.


As for others talking down without really looking into it. A lot of us are frustrated and this is channeling towards a good cause.

Would i like a new ending? Yes
Did i donate for the new ending? No

A lot of us have donated cause it turns something terrible into something good.


Edit:

Even for those that donated for the simple reason of hoping to get a new ending... so far over $11,000 has been raised. I say this is far better than running around the internet spamming facebook, twitter and metacritic. At least there is good coming out of this.
 

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LiquidGrape said:
Kahunaburger said:
@Nimcha: I've heard Bioware called many things, but "subtle" is a new one.
Your contrary stance on everything BioWare is really getting predictable and tiresome.
Out of curiosity, of the 1000's of "lol, Bioware" or "grr, Bioware" posts on the Escapist, what makes this one worthy of being flamed?
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Out of curiosity, of the 1000's of "lol, Bioware" or "grr, Bioware" posts on the Escapist, what makes this one worthy of being flamed?
Everyone already tried flaming Zeel. It didn't work.
 

Uszi

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Eh. I'd say if you're donating over 12K in 24 hours to sick children, and you encourage someone who otherwise wouldn't have donated to do so by tapping their frustration over this event, then you've done good, regardless of your motivations.

Really, I think this is a much more pleasant strategy for enraged fanboys to try to get Bioware's attention then resulting to hyperbole and vitriol.


EDIT: Sorry, 26K in 24 hours.