Mass Effect 3: Retake Mass Effect Ending Child's Play Movement

[Zetsubou-Sama]

So.. someone just made a single 10 k donation, that's impressive, and i'd really like to know if it's just a fan, a va, or something like that.

 

[Dae0]

The charity is now over $25,000.

 

[Carrus Thrace]

Yeah, it's amazing. In under 24 hours, over $24,000 has been raised for Child's Play because of Mass Effect 3. I'm probably going to get murdered for saying this on the official forums; but, I'm almost glad the ending sucked, otherwise no one would have donated nearly as much money to charity.

 

[Gigatoast]

I think if people can be so passionate about something they go about raising nearly $25,000 in 24 hours JUST to get someone's attention, it doesn't matter how "childish" you think it is. That's probably more money then EA made selling their day-one DLC, you could finance a new ending with that kind of dough.

So unless you counter-complainers think you can pool that much money for the sake of keeping the old ending I suggest you STFU and let them rock Bioware's rafters all they want.

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

Didn't Bioware already state they were not going to change the ending? I mean I'm happy so much was donated to charity but it seems a fair bit misguided.

Oh well. Regardless of my opinions (after a bit of soul-searching I came to the conclusion that I kind of liked how it all ended), this really isn't something to get so up-in-arms about. There are so many things in life worth getting upset over, but this really isn't close to being one of them.

 

[AD-Stu]

Say what?!?

How exactly does this "kill the credibility" of the charity?

tendji said it better then i would have.

Yeah I feel the same way, basically just using a charity to try and draw attention to how much they didn't like Bioware's ending. I mean it feels like it's just using Child's Play as an engine to say "This ending sucked, look at the donations to charity proving it, so change it!" Instead of the actual purpose which is to give toys to children. That's the main reason this leaves a sour taste in my mouth upon seeing this. Because it makes it not about the charity, but about the frustrations of people over a video game.

you can gloss it over all you want, they are still miss using a charity for they're own petty, selfish reasons

I'd agree with you if it was Child's Play that started the campaign. But it's not - Child's Play has no connection with this campaign other than being the beneficiary of the donations. It has absolutely no effect on their credibility as a charity whatsoever.

I think what you mean is that it speaks to the credibility of the people who started the campaign, "using" the name of the charity to a certain extent to promote their cause. You can argue over how right it is that they're doing that, but I still don't believe the credibility of the charity itself can be called into question.

 

[Syzygy23]

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[Fappy]

Yeah, it's amazing. In under 24 hours, over $24,000 has been raised for Child's Play because of Mass Effect 3. I'm probably going to get murdered for saying this on the official forums; but, I'm almost glad the ending sucked, otherwise no one would have donated nearly as much money to charity.

That's actually a good way to look at it strangely enough. I will sleep well tonight knowing that Shepard sacrificed himself for the good of our youth

 

[Adultism]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.

This is wrong on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Whether I can or can't do better is beside the point. If someone serves me a shitty meal, it doesn't matter if I could cook it better.

Especially if that meal is full of ridiculous plotholes.

Buyer beware. You bought their game, you were disappointed, oh well. The world goes on, the company goes on, and the game stays the same. It's not at all their job to rebuild their game from the ground-up just to please people who think they're important enough to have creative control over the game.

My opinion, the most you should get is a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it," and maybe your money back. The refund is seriously pushing it.

You put it in a rude way, but you are right. They have no right to complain when they didn't make the game themselves. Bioware worked VERY hard on ME3, and now everyone is bashing it because they don't like the ending, Boo-Hoo.

 

[Darkmantle]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.

This is wrong on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Whether I can or can't do better is beside the point. If someone serves me a shitty meal, it doesn't matter if I could cook it better.

Especially if that meal is full of ridiculous plotholes.

Buyer beware. You bought their game, you were disappointed, oh well. The world goes on, the company goes on, and the game stays the same. It's not at all their job to rebuild their game from the ground-up just to please people who think they're important enough to have creative control over the game.

My opinion, the most you should get is a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it," and maybe your money back. The refund is seriously pushing it.

You put it in a rude way, but you are right. They have no right to complain when they didn't make the game themselves. Bioware worked VERY hard on ME3, and now everyone is bashing it because they don't like the ending, Boo-Hoo.

Actually, most people are just bashing the ending, ya know, the bad part.

 

[irishda]

"We didn't get a super happy ending where everything works out for the best. This is stupid."

Christ, only in western nations is the ending always happy. Read a story from everywhere else in the world and it turns out endings aren't always merry-sunshine. This is that fucking entitlement sense that makes so many people still look down on gamers. How many movie goers start up petitions to change movies? How many art lovers start petitions to change an aspect of a piece of art that they don't like?

This is very important gamers. You won't get everything you want. Get over it. I'm sorry you went into this game expecting something and got something else. The fact that you paid money also doesn't hold weight. You're not paying them to play the story you want, you paid them to play the story they made. RPG games, especially branching ones like Bioware, give you a chance to alter the story. But the overarching story is still theirs, the possible outcomes and different branches are all theirs. Just like Martin Scorsese didn't owe it to any one to make the Departed any fucking happier, or Coppola doesn't owe it to any one to make sure everyone lives in the Godfather.

 

[Cranky]

Never seen this before. I don't know what to say, giving to charity is good and yeah I don't really care about whatever reasons you guys may have but helping out those in need is good.
Bleh, what I mean to say is if one can give, he should, regardless of reward. Few are really like that though.

 

[fozzy360]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.

This is wrong on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Whether I can or can't do better is beside the point. If someone serves me a shitty meal, it doesn't matter if I could cook it better.

Especially if that meal is full of ridiculous plotholes.

Buyer beware. You bought their game, you were disappointed, oh well. The world goes on, the company goes on, and the game stays the same. It's not at all their job to rebuild their game from the ground-up just to please people who think they're important enough to have creative control over the game.

My opinion, the most you should get is a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it," and maybe your money back. The refund is seriously pushing it.

You put it in a rude way, but you are right. They have no right to complain when they didn't make the game themselves. Bioware worked VERY hard on ME3, and now everyone is bashing it because they don't like the ending, Boo-Hoo.

There are a couple of things here that people either seem to forget, or they just gloss over:

1. Yes, there a number of fans that genuinely want the endings to be changed. I don't agree with that, but I am pissed at the endings themselves. The petition, backlash, etc., is just a means to get Bioware's attention over how awful the endings are. A small amount of research in either these forums, BSN, or any other forum for that matter (as more people finish the game, the complaints about the ending seem to grow), and you'll see that people just want to get Bioware's attention to this. They want to let them know just how bad they fumbled that final sequence. This leads into the second point.

2. The whole point since ME1 was that the choices made throughout the games would have a genuine consequence and impact on the world in the game. Decisions would have to be made by the player that could fundamentally change the way the narrative is followed. Not many games allowed this, and the promise that it would happened is what drove people to spend countless hours and money to see their actions and decisions pay off in the grand finale. I mean, Corey Hudson, no more than a few weeks ago, promised as much. To have a set of endings that are so similar in premise that take little or nothing that you've done into account in a game that was supposed to deliver the opposite is enough to cause a backlash. This isn't like other games with terrible endings. Other games' narratives aren't changed according to player action. Other games don't have the characters, universe, and potential that Mass Effect has. The endings pretty much flush that down the toiler, and that's why people are angry.

So, please, stop using this stereotype of the "angry, entitled gamer who wants a happily-ever-after ending with his or her waifu" used to disparage what the real situation is. It doesn;t do you any good, and it makes you come off as no better that the people you're supposedly thumbing your nose (btw, "entitled" is a word we should really stop throwing around so loosely).

Honestly, this guy gets it, and it's a great fucking article to boot:
http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right

OT:Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but does anyone else find it funny that these guys have raised +$20000 in one day while Bioware could only drum up $1000 after the whole Jennifer Hepler thing?

 

[tzimize]

Look, I don't care for what reasons people give to charity. I'm just saying it's a really cheap move by the creators of this petition.

And I disagree with this simply because I do not agree with the reasons people think the ending is bad or awful. I find it sad to see so many people do, when it isn't needed.

They're trying to channel the outrage of the fan community into something positive. It's a much better use of that energy then, for example, the fans creating petitions for the writers to be fired or commit ritual suicide.

Also, there's a group of Fan who hold Mass Effect Marathons who donate all the proceeds to Child's Play. Would you say that's a cheap move?

Wow, you're not reading at all what she's writing, are you? ME Marathons are fine, because there are no ulterior motives. With this, however, there is one. The only reason something like this has been made, is to use a well known charity organization to get more attention, which I agree is a cheap move.

Paragon Route: Give to Charity with no Ulterior Motives

Renegade Route: Give to Charity with Ulterior Motives


Paragade Route: Not giving a fuck what the motive is and giving to charity.

Renegon Route: Give to Charity because of the Ulterior motive.

This made me lol.

Also, who the hell cares what the motive is? People who need help, get help. Do any of you think the kids getting toys/games will say: Oh, no. I dont want toys that are given to me because people want another ME3 ending.

This is a scenario where everybody wins. How can that be a bad thing.

 

[Merrick_HLC]

I'm amused at those going "You didn't make the game so yo uget no say"

Yes I'm sure none of you have ever been upset when you bought a game and it did something

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.

This is wrong on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Whether I can or can't do better is beside the point. If someone serves me a shitty meal, it doesn't matter if I could cook it better.

Especially if that meal is full of ridiculous plotholes.

Buyer beware. You bought their game, you were disappointed, oh well. The world goes on, the company goes on, and the game stays the same. It's not at all their job to rebuild their game from the ground-up just to please people who think they're important enough to have creative control over the game.

My opinion, the most you should get is a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it," and maybe your money back. The refund is seriously pushing it.

You put it in a rude way, but you are right. They have no right to complain when they didn't make the game themselves. Bioware worked VERY hard on ME3, and now everyone is bashing it because they don't like the ending, Boo-Hoo.

I'm sorry, bu the whole "You didn't make it so you have no right to complain" is just one of the most absurd comments in ANY discussion ever.

I can't design a car, but I know the pinto was poorly designed

I'm not a cook, but if I get to the center of my steak and it's still frozen, I think I can complain to the cook.

The customer ALWAYS has a right to complain when they think the product or service was not up to the quality they paid for.

That doesn't mean it's always valid, or always right, but they always have the right TO complain about what they think is wrong.

As to the charity.

It's giving money to charity.
I don't care if it's a bunch of white supremacists doing it cause they're pissed an interracial romance is in the game, I'm not gonna complain about people giving money to a good charity.

I may think they're idiots, but I'd rather they do that than be idiots in one of the several other ways one can be idiots.

 

[putowtin]

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Look, I don't care for what reasons people give to charity. I'm just saying it's a really cheap move by the creators of this petition.

So this is cheap? how about charity workers that won't leave your doorstep till you donate? how about phone calls at 10pm asking for a donation? I give money to what ever charity I want, if using an event that's bringing most of the gaming community together to raise cash for a good cause is cheap, then so is every tactic used by charities!

Now at $29,937.01, my 5 bucks are in, a good cause (and one I support every year) gets a little more money!

 

[tzimize]

"We didn't get a super happy ending where everything works out for the best. This is stupid."

Christ, only in western nations is the ending always happy. Read a story from everywhere else in the world and it turns out endings aren't always merry-sunshine. This is that fucking entitlement sense that makes so many people still look down on gamers. How many movie goers start up petitions to change movies? How many art lovers start petitions to change an aspect of a piece of art that they don't like?

This is very important gamers. You won't get everything you want. Get over it. I'm sorry you went into this game expecting something and got something else. The fact that you paid money also doesn't hold weight. You're not paying them to play the story you want, you paid them to play the story they made. RPG games, especially branching ones like Bioware, give you a chance to alter the story. But the overarching story is still theirs, the possible outcomes and different branches are all theirs. Just like Martin Scorsese didn't owe it to any one to make the Departed any fucking happier, or Coppola doesn't owe it to any one to make sure everyone lives in the Godfather.

Way to miss the point. Its not about the hollywood ending. Actually many endings can be better BECAUSE they are not "hollywood". But. The only reason Bioware has been able to tell this story is because their fans have bought their games. So even if the fans do not own the game as such, they are in some way responsible for it being made. Even if that doesnt give them the right to direct it, it DOES give them the right to voice their opinion and be dissatisfied with a product they've spent a lot of time getting to know and love.

Also, the main problems with the ending is NOT really that its not all ponies and sunshine.
The main problems are:

1: The choices you have made and the armies you have gathered seem to matter so little, and you get absolutely no control over the ending. Not even an illusion of control.

2: There are WAY too little in the way of epilogues for all the characters. We dont even know if they die, or what happens to them if they dont. And why the hell was the Normandy seemingly on its way to some random planet instead of fighting the Reapers?

There are just too much wasted potential and too many unanswered questions to be happy about it. Thats all.

Also: Kids are getting games because of it. Good for them.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

This is pretty stupid. Using some kind of charity to get people interested in a misguided idea about the ending of a videogame.

Pretty much this. I'm all for giving money to childsplay but this has to be the stupidest reason I've ever seen.

I uh...what?

Since when do we grade the reasons why people are giving to charity? People give to charity all the time for no reason at all, or for tax purposes. Yet this is apparently the stupidest reason you've ever seen, because you felt like being hipsters on an internet forum.

Look, whether you like the ending or not, people being passionate about their hobby is not "stupid", it's nice. Being passionate about the things you love, getting attached to a fictional world that meant a lot to you...are we meant to discourage these things, then? Wag our fingers at them before we slip off to smoke some clove cigarettes and practice our sighs?

The likelihood of a petition actually accomplishing anything is low, but it's nice that people cared this much about the games, and it's nice that they've chosen to marry their enterprise to Child's Play so something good comes out of it regardless.

By all means though, carry on scoffing, you heroes.

Being passionate is fine. Petition all you want. But this is simply using the same kind of business strategy most people on this site frown upon.

The only reason this charity is dragged into this is because it improves the chances of it being noticed. And the worst thing is it stems from simple misunderstanding due to Bioware's overuse of subtlety.

So because the majority of people disliked the ending they must just not understand it? You must be so damn full of yourself.

 

[Gatx]

It is good that they're raising money for charity and all but that doesn't change that their cause is a little pointless. At least they're something positive I guess. Worst case scenario they actually get Bioware to retcon the ending.

 

[Ravnican]

I like the idea of turning anger into happiness, but alas I am pretty much broke after buying the game and a Blind Guardian CD.

captcha: Atomic Bomb. Huh, okay I guess.