Mass Effect 3: Retake Mass Effect Ending Child's Play Movement

[Iwata]

It's ironic that this came up at a time when gamers' inflated sense of entitlement is being discussed.

 

[Blachman201_v1legacy]

The second I read "organized by the Mass Effect community", I said "fuck you" (not to anyone in this thread, to that charity).

Considering that I enjoyed the ending, this is meant to guilt me into giving support of changing something that I don't want changed.

I refused to be bullied, and I think this is one of if not the lowest thing the video game community has ever done, at least in recent years.

To make up for it, I'll donate to the next Child's Play charity.

You enjoyed the ending, well, that's good for you. In fact, I am happy for you.

But I got to ask you, and really all the naysayers in general: You are really coming across like you think other people should outright be denied an ending they would be satisfied with. In what possible way would it hurt you and your experience if a new or altered ending

Spoiler

(heck, even if it is just a fourth choice at the end)

was released? Especially if it is purely optional to install?

Because announcing to skip on a charity, just because certain people you disagree with donates to it? I mean, seriously?

 

[salinv]

Fallout 3 had an equally terrible ending that everyone hated, I don't know if they got nearly as bad press as this is getting, but they did end up fixing that ending with the Broken Steel DLC, so the change to a games ending is not entirely out of the question

That's exactly what I was going to say. Bravo, sir.

I'm on the side of "giving to charity is good, no matter why you do it." If these people want to complain, then all the better that they do it while supporting a good cause. I don't really believe the founders think they're going to guilt anybody at bioware into doing a new ending.

Although, if they wanted to Broken Steel it up, I can't say I'd complain...

Just to throw this out there, but didn't the ending of Fallout 3 get retconned not because the ending was bad (I actually enjoyed the finality of the ending decision), but rather that it ended the story with no choice to continue, and came out of nowhere. It was a game that everyone assumed would go on forever, then all of a sudden didn't. To me, that shouted as more of a gameplay issue than of the story. In fact, I thought that Broken Steel actually maintained the ending, just allowed the story to continue. Or maybe I forgot something... I've slept a few hundred times since then. I've played a newer Bethesda game since then, even.

Spoiler: At the very least...

At the very least the game of Mass Effect 3 doesn't end after the Deus Ex style ending. You can keep playing with your current Shepard if you want to.

OT: I'm partially inclined to react with a "I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole." On one side, your donating to charity while maintaining a viewpoint your passionate about. On the other, the viewpoint has basically nothing to do with the charity other than broadly being about games, and feels almost as if the charity drive is using the charity for publicity. If you donate, well then good for you, your helping the charity. At the same time, I won't exactly hold it in as high a regard as donating to the charity itself. And I certainly wont hold it against anyone who decides not to donate for this reason.

 

[Lunar Templar]

This whole debacle is really reaching new levels of absurdity...

no shit -.-

now they're dragging a charity into it, wonderful, way to kill the credibility of a charity with this pointless fanboy pissing and moaning-a-thon

 

[Lolth17]

Fallout 3 had an equally terrible ending that everyone hated, I don't know if they got nearly as bad press as this is getting, but they did end up fixing that ending with the Broken Steel DLC, so the change to a games ending is not entirely out of the question

That's exactly what I was going to say. Bravo, sir.

I'm on the side of "giving to charity is good, no matter why you do it." If these people want to complain, then all the better that they do it while supporting a good cause. I don't really believe the founders think they're going to guilt anybody at bioware into doing a new ending.

Although, if they wanted to Broken Steel it up, I can't say I'd complain...

Just to throw this out there, but didn't the ending of Fallout 3 get retconned not because the ending was bad (I actually enjoyed the finality of the ending decision), but rather that it ended the story with no choice to continue, and came out of nowhere. It was a game that everyone assumed would go on forever, then all of a sudden didn't. To me, that shouted as more of a gameplay issue than of the story. In fact, I thought that Broken Steel actually maintained the ending, just allowed the story to continue. Or maybe I forgot something... I've slept a few hundred times since then. I've played a newer Bethesda game since then, even.

If you had Fawkes with you, it was also an incredibly stupid ending. Let's just say that radiation was involved b/c I'm too lazy to write out the whole ending and spoiler it. So I think the terrible, terrible plot hole had something to do with it as well, but you are mostly right.

 

[ZeroMachine]

The second I read "organized by the Mass Effect community", I said "fuck you" (not to anyone in this thread, to that charity).

Considering that I enjoyed the ending, this is meant to guilt me into giving support of changing something that I don't want changed.

I refused to be bullied, and I think this is one of if not the lowest thing the video game community has ever done, at least in recent years.

To make up for it, I'll donate to the next Child's Play charity.

You enjoyed the ending, well, that's good for you. In fact, I am happy for you.

But I got to ask you, and really all the naysayers in general: You are really coming across like you think other people should outright be denied an ending they would be satisfied with. In what possible way would it hurt you and your experience if a new or altered ending

Spoiler

(heck, even if it is just a fourth choice at the end)

was released? Especially if it is purely optional to install?

Because announcing to skip on a charity, just because certain people you disagree with donates to it? I mean, seriously?

No, no, no, you're missing my point.

I honestly don't care if you guys get a different ending, seriously, and I'd be interested enough to see it.

I refuse to donate to this for my stated reasons.

 

[JCBFGD]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say fuck you guys. Maybe if you were story writers there and decided that you could do better, then this'd be okay. But no, you're a bunch of whiny, entitled, self-important douchebags. You're consumers buying a form of art (in the same way that movies are art), and when buying art, you have no right to ***** about how shitty it is. You bought someone else's creative work, and if their work is not up to your standards, then that's your loss. It's not their job to remake it to suit your wants.

This is wrong on so many levels, it's not even funny.

Whether I can or can't do better is beside the point. If someone serves me a shitty meal, it doesn't matter if I could cook it better.

Especially if that meal is full of ridiculous plotholes.

Buyer beware. You bought their game, you were disappointed, oh well. The world goes on, the company goes on, and the game stays the same. It's not at all their job to rebuild their game from the ground-up just to please people who think they're important enough to have creative control over the game.

My opinion, the most you should get is a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it," and maybe your money back. The refund is seriously pushing it.

That's not what you were saying.

You're claiming we shouldn't be able to complain about it, when, as a paying customer, I'm absolutely within my right to complain about it.

Normally, I'd be right there with you complaining, but the problem is, this is a creative work. I'm of the opinion that with creative works, you get what you pay for, and let's hope you like it. If ya do, great. If ya don't, oh well. Either way, I don't think it's right to go and ask someone to change their creative work. ***** about it all you want, just don't ask them to change it. It's not your work, it's not yours to ask for change. Maybe ask for it to be different in the future, but even that is kinda arrogant in my book.

Well there's a difference between demanding that Bioware change the ending, and requesting that they change the ending.

I'm not going to be angry if they don't, but I would like them to. The ending didn't mesh with the theme of the rest of the game and it was just... bad.

No closure, nothing, the only way it could have been worse is if 'it was all a dream'.

I don't say this as a fanboy with stupidly high expectations. I say this as a person who's been with the franchise for several years and actually my favourite franchise, and it's just a shame to see it end this way.

That's more reasonable, but honestly, I'd still say let them do what they want. It's still their series, and it's asking a lot of them to change the ending. That'd take probably a few hundred thousand bucks, and in that case, they'd probably charge for a changed ending. I would, anyways, if I were them.

 

[boag]

The second I read "organized by the Mass Effect community", I said "fuck you" (not to anyone in this thread, to that charity).

Considering that I enjoyed the ending, this is meant to guilt me into giving support of changing something that I don't want changed.

I refused to be bullied, and I think this is one of if not the lowest thing the video game community has ever done, at least in recent years.

To make up for it, I'll donate to the next Child's Play charity.

Bullied?

Who the heck is putting a gun to your head to donate?

 

[psicat]

Wow! Einstein said it best. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

The second I read "organized by the Mass Effect community", I said "fuck you" (not to anyone in this thread, to that charity).

Considering that I enjoyed the ending, this is meant to guilt me into giving support of changing something that I don't want changed.

I refused to be bullied, and I think this is one of if not the lowest thing the video game community has ever done, at least in recent years.

To make up for it, I'll donate to the next Child's Play charity.

Yeah, how dare they raise thousands of dollars for a charity! *rolls eyes*
This is a win for everyone, disgruntled fans get to let their dissatisfaction with the ending be known and a charity gets money.

 

[Fappy]

Why is everyone being so fucking dramatic in this thread? Calm down people, it is a nice gesture at best and a misguided charity at worst. No need to throw insults around.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Jesus fucking Christ people. I'm cynical, nihilistic, borderline depressive, unorthodox, and routinely am genuinely part of the minority, but fuck me, complaining about giving to Child's Play?

The only thing I'd ***** about is that Child's Play isn't trying to advance the cause for curing one of man's ailments. There are, however, many initiatives to these ends, and I have no problem with a few groups focusing on the present instead of the future.

Whether you are a staunch supporter of leaving the ending to Mass Effect 3 as-is or aren't, what the fuck is wrong with your head that you think it makes or breaks the validity of a charitable fucking donation?! I swear to God, if I ever heard this conversation on the street, I would call anybody with that viewpoint out on it.

 

[Carrus Thrace]

Over $10k has been raised in a single day, regardless of everyone's personal opinions on the ending or the fans/players themselves please respect each other's thoughts/opinions and please continue to donate.

Hold the Line!

 

[Akyho]

Offical Child play or not (it feels hokey) I am not confertabl with this. All Charities while they are non profit, they act like like blood sucking leeches taking all misery and bad things and turning it into money. YES! its for a good cause in the end. I agree with the ends cause. I NEVER like the means.

Hell I worked for Charity shop for 3 years, 2 and half as a volunteer and was hired for 6 months contract. I prefer the retail shops than "This is jimmy...he going to die! with out your money! GIVE US YOUR MONEY! NOW!"

This is really horribly implement I dont like it. It just looks like some dude decided to make money off it. Rather than its an offical Child play action. If it is 100% Child plays. I really dont like their method with this.

I like child play. Just I dont like this specific method.

All who donate that's fine. It feels wrong to me. I would say. If you are going to donate to this cause. DONT! however donate the EXACT same amount to NORMAL childs play.

Child play dosnt need to be like a lawyer. Chaseing abulances. "The gamers arnt happy with this! Hey we can get money if we get involved and say we are spreading peace and nice."

Dont donate through this scheme. Donate to childs play flat out.

Captacha is , "Blinded by Science" why must you taunting me with one of my fave songs.

 

[renegade7]

ending was terrible and half assed. Commander Shepherd and the fans deserve better.

 

[Oro44]

You guys can't possibly understand how delicious this is.

It's like watching all your enemies in some gladiator arena beat the shit out of each other.

Go Bioware fanboys! Attack!!

There you are! I was starting to get worried with all the Bioware threads and didn't see you.

 

[AD-Stu]

This whole debacle is really reaching new levels of absurdity...

no shit -.-

now they're dragging a charity into it, wonderful, way to kill the credibility of a charity with this pointless fanboy pissing and moaning-a-thon

Say what?!?

How exactly does this "kill the credibility" of the charity?

 

[Bryan MacKenzie]

********WARNING SPOILERS************

I would go as far to say most people dont want the ending changed in the sense that we think bioware's creativity is bad and it should have been more creative. It should have been more COMPLETE.

There are three choices: destroy, control, and synthesis and the cinematic for them is the same other than the colour of the explosion, reapers falling over or flying away, and the 2 other squad mates that walk out of Normandy with joker.

Personally what I wanted was an ending where my choices mattered... they can still be the three above choices... even though I believe Shepard would have not just believed everything the kid said to begin with.

Choose destroy you get to see joker have an emotional scene as EDI dies in his arms, maybe see some geth ships shut down and crash, or even a flash back to legion killing himself to give the geth free will.

Choose control and you see a reaper saving a crashing human ship or something, I dunno.

Some kind of difference between the endings that made playing a second time worth while. Finding out what happened to your squad mates... was there a memorial created for Shepard? Why did joker leave you to die? What happened to your love interest? The ending dosnt have to be 2 hours long like LOTR 3, but is closure of the outcome of my choices really all that hard? Could have been text or just one character saying it.. even the GRANDPA in the end could have had an interactive question/answers with the little boy.

People would feel sad that the game is over yes... I'm sad when I finish a series of books knowing there will be no more... but I'm not angry.

Lastly I dont think anyone who has not at least played 2/3 games and finished the third game can really comment on the matter. People who never played the game seem to think its as simple as he dies and fans are angry and want him to live... that couldn't be farther from the truth. Its like old US senators that don't know how to turn on a computer writing law about the internet... unless you are an informed individual your opinion is useless.

 

[LiquidGrape]

@Nimcha: I've heard Bioware called many things, but "subtle" is a new one.

Your contrary stance on everything BioWare is really getting predictable and tiresome.

That said, this thread is a perfect demonstration of why I can't stand most alleged fans of BioWare either.

Game development isn't democratic, people.