McDonald's incident

[Torrasque]

Thanks for the wonderful clip you shared @Torrasque

Some point of view is missing here, I think.

First: The blonde women, screaming "Stop it, stop it, stop it" like a crazy hysterical lunatic on Acid, makes the whole thing even worse. She is aggravating the situation. If you are in a blood frenzy rage you are defintely not calming down if someone is shouting at you in that way.
If you ever get into such a situation remember: "CALM and SOOTHING voice!" Like Morgan Freeman or Kevin Spacey.

Second: The bystanders are responsible for aggravating this as well. How many people you need to overwhelm that metal rod-swinging "Hamburger-Turning-Assistant-Engineer" Three? Two? Would half the a McDonnalds crew be enough? Well it seems not, they stand there, mesmerized by the beserking rage of their colleague.

Third: The most morally corrupt are those who filmed the whole incident. Those should get their very own private encounter with that rod. But that is just my opinion.

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Man, do I love BurgerKing. Strangely everbody likes me there, I even get 10% discount even from the serial killer raping ponies and eating babies for breakfast.

I imagine the lady was caught up in the heat of the moment and was reacting as she saw fit. It is very hard to be calm and asserting in violent situations.

If they ALL got him to stop at the same time, yeah it would have been nothing. But who would step up and stop a metal-rod wielding crazy guy? I like to think that I would try and stop him, but it seems likely that I would be so shocked by what was happening, and afraid that he is about to turn on me as well. Hard to say

Like I said to Caramel Frappe, being behind a camera changes people. They were probably going "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" like the rest of the people that weren't doing anything.

 

[Ralphfromdk]

If you can't handle the outcome, don't try to assault somebody.

I have had something similar happen to me once. Crazy f*cker jumped over the counter to rob the store I work in, starts going at me. And as a result of me defending myself, he somehow broke his back in the resulting fight, and I ended up with the upper hand.
(shit happens, but to this day, I'm not sorry about it)

And you know what? The judge that handled the case was fine with it. In the case of self defense, unless you actually kill someone, there is no such thing as to much of a beating for the one starting it.

TL-DR: Go Mc Donalds guy.



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[Sarah Frazier]

They had no idea he'd been arrested for murder before, but still... Using a $50 bill for some freaking fries is a bit suspicious and the guy was smart to not take the money without asking. Jumping into the employee area of any business is a bad idea because they don't know what you may do once back there and it leaves them vulnerable.

TL : DR - Yeah, the guy went a bit far with the rod, but the women should have paid with smaller bills rather than fighting in the first place.

 

[Brinnmilo]

Meh, I kind of feel sorry for the guy.

Working in retail is hard, shit wages, shit people, shit working conditions. Some times you don't have a choice, perhaps you mess up your entire life with one stupid mistake? Then you are stuck in a crappy life. In this guy's case it sounds like he was already slightly over the edge and that he didn't need much to set him off.
Those girls did deserve to be punished, they bit off more than they could chew, thinking that they had free reign to ruin some one else's day over such a petty incident. They set out to mess this guy's shit up. So no, I have no sympathy for them what so ever. People like that need a good beat down if that's what they are setting out to do.
Would I do it? Hell no.

Also "metal rod" is a pretty poor description. It doesn't look that thick in the video and the sound it makes on impact gives no impression of weight, the fact the girl doesn't get up again is probably not because she's incapacitated but because she is trying to protect her face. I only mention this because a lot of the comments have been "Omg! A mettle rod!" as if he had Gordon Freeman's crowbar.

All in all we don't have enough detail.

 

[Ralphfromdk]

I said this in the other thread on the issue...

.. the moment someone takes that effort to cross the counter rather than just spouting profanities, all bets are off.

You have to assume they are going to cause serious harm to you and, more importantly, your coworkers and ensure they are no longer a threat.

If they can get up, they are a threat.

My thought's exactly. You sir / madam, just earned a bunch of common-sense-Internet-points

 

[Torrasque]

Girls acted like twats, but twats still don't deserve to have their skulls bashed in with a metal rod.

This stupid fucking "eye for an eye" attitude of retarded 14-year-olds on the internet is not even funny to read anymore.

What's wrong with "An eye for an eye"? It's the best way to get the "Treat others as you wish to be treated" rule across.

They are not equivalent.
"An eye for an eye" speaks of retribution, while "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is more about your actions towards others.
"An eye for an eye" is a reaction you take in regards to someone else's action towards you or someone close to you. "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is an action you take towards others in the hope that they treat you as you have treated them.

I am sorry if that sounded like a grade 2 teacher explaining what 2+2 is, but I wanted to make sure I solved your misconception.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Frankly I think the bitches deserved getting twatted with the metal rod but for the sake of the guy behind the counter he probably should of stopped after the first few blows so that it looked more like self defence and less like assault. Although I think the self-defence plea would of been lost the second the metal rod got picked up.

 

[Torrasque]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

So you don't think beating two people (agressors, of course, there is no debate about that) with a metal bar, and continuing to beat them while they are down, is ok?
=|

 

[Kopikatsu]

Girls acted like twats, but twats still don't deserve to have their skulls bashed in with a metal rod.

This stupid fucking "eye for an eye" attitude of retarded 14-year-olds on the internet is not even funny to read anymore.

What's wrong with "An eye for an eye"? It's the best way to get the "Treat others as you wish to be treated" rule across.

They are not equivalent.
"An eye for an eye" speaks of retribution, while "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is more about your actions towards others.
"An eye for an eye" is a reaction you take in regards to someone else's action towards you or someone close to you. "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is an action you take towards others in the hope that they treat you as you have treated them.

I am sorry if that sounded like a grade 2 teacher explaining what 2+2 is, but I wanted to make sure I solved your misconception.

It still seems rather similar. If you don't want to get the shit beat out of you, don't try to beat the shit out of someone else. (Unless you think the two women hopped the counter and surrounded him because they wanted to discuss it in a calm and reasonable manner?)

 

[Kopikatsu]

Frankly I think the bitches deserved getting twatted with the metal rod but for the sake of the guy behind the counter he probably should of stopped after the first few blows so that it looked more like self defence and less like assault. Although I think the self-defence plea would of been lost the second the metal rod got picked up.

It was 2v1. Them being woman has nothing to do with it. He was outnumbered and needed something to defend himself. Which was the rod in this case.

 

[Torrasque]

Meh, I kind of feel sorry for the guy.

Working in retail is hard, shit wages, shit people, shit working conditions. Some times you don't have a choice, perhaps you mess up your entire life with one stupid mistake? Then you are stuck in a crappy life. In this guy's case it sounds like he was already slightly over the edge and that he didn't need much to set him off.
Those girls did deserve to be punished, they bit off more than they could chew, thinking that they had free reign to ruin some one else's day over such a petty incident. They set out to mess this guy's shit up. So no, I have no sympathy for them what so ever. People like that need a good beat down if that's what they are setting out to do.
Would I do it? Hell no.

Also "metal rod" is a pretty poor description. It doesn't look that thick in the video and the sound it makes on impact gives no impression of weight, the fact the girl doesn't get up again is probably not because she's incapacitated but because she is trying to protect her face. I only mention this because a lot of the comments have been "Omg! A mettle rod!" as if he had Gordon Freeman's crowbar.

All in all we don't have enough detail.

The video shows a metal rod that could be the size of a slightly thick cord, or pinky. It bends rather quick on impact, which shows that it is not thick at all.
I agree though, saying "metal bar" gives me a mental image of a thick metal pipe you'd find on a construction site, probably made of lead and covered with rust.

 

[thedeathscythe]

Both sides overreacted and neither side is completely right or wrong. It's odd seeing people say "bitches deserved it" or something like "put him away for life". Real life isn't black and white like tv shows and comic books, it's usually all grey and it's weird to see people completely agree with either side in this incident.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Okay. Having been a manager at a fast food restaurant...

1) The guy should have called higher powers when the fight first started.
2) He definitely should have removed himself from the situation when the girl smacked him.
3) Hopping over the counter like that is grounds for the police to be called.

That said...What the Fuck was going on in those womens' heads? How full of yourself do you have to be to...I don't even.

 

[Torrasque]

Girls acted like twats, but twats still don't deserve to have their skulls bashed in with a metal rod.

This stupid fucking "eye for an eye" attitude of retarded 14-year-olds on the internet is not even funny to read anymore.

What's wrong with "An eye for an eye"? It's the best way to get the "Treat others as you wish to be treated" rule across.

They are not equivalent.
"An eye for an eye" speaks of retribution, while "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is more about your actions towards others.
"An eye for an eye" is a reaction you take in regards to someone else's action towards you or someone close to you. "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is an action you take towards others in the hope that they treat you as you have treated them.

I am sorry if that sounded like a grade 2 teacher explaining what 2+2 is, but I wanted to make sure I solved your misconception.

It still seems rather similar. If you don't want to get the shit beat out of you, don't try to beat the shit out of someone else. (Unless you think the two women hopped the counter and surrounded him because they wanted to discuss it in a calm and reasonable manner?)

Let me put it this way:
"An eye for an eye" can be extended into: If you do this to me, I will do the same to you, or something of the same degree.
"Treat others as you wish to be treated" can be extended into: I will treat you like this, because I expect you to treat me the same way.
Hope that clarifies more. They are similar only in the regard that one is referring to another, and there is a reference to equivalent treatment, but like I said before, one is something you do in response to an action, and the other is an action you take in the hope of achieving a certain response.

And no, of course the two women were not calm and reasonable at all.
The cashier reacted more reasonable than the two women, and I think he went completely overboard.

 

[Josh123914]

''que impending Burger King/KFC/Wimpy fans with a superiority complex stating how every mcdonalds is like that'' *preps flameshield*

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

I imagine the lady was caught up in the heat of the moment and was reacting as she saw fit. It is very hard to be calm and asserting in violent situations.

I do see your point. Still it strikes me that almost everyone else was mesmerized while she was behaving the completely wrong way.

If they ALL got him to stop at the same time, yeah it would have been nothing. But who would step up and stop a metal-rod wielding crazy guy? I like to think that I would try and stop him, but it seems likely that I would be so shocked by what was happening, and afraid that he is about to turn on me as well. Hard to say

You are right, people freeze and do stupid things in such situations. But I just wanted to point out how it "should" have worked and why everyone there should feel guilty. (to a degree at least)
An alpha would probably rallied two or three persons and then each of them grab one limb of Mr. Metal Rod batshitcrazy Beatdown guy and the whole incident would have been over much much smoother

Like I said to Caramel Frappe, being behind a camera changes people. They were probably going "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" like the rest of the people that weren't doing anything.

Again I agree but if our society wants to survive for another century we need change that quickly. VERY quickly. Yet since I don't think we better not survive that century I don't want to impose this change on anyone.

And yes, I personally do hate rubbernecks (especially filming ones). Especially those deserve to be hit with a metal shiny thingy by some crazy serialkillerclown Saints-Row-style. The others not so much...

 

[Torrasque]

As to your first point about his having a job, I imagine it was one of those things where McDonalds tries to get PR by saying "We hire anyone! We trust people to not be horrible cereal murderers, and give them jobs so they can get back on their feet!", kind of like some businesses hiring X amount of non-white people, or Y amount of disabled people.

Second, you might want to watch Diary of the Dead, it is an interesting zombie movie with a theme about how being behind a camera changes a person. Really fascinating stuff.

I'll be happy to look up Diary of the Dead. I love zombie movies for it always gives me a prospective on how to survive if one ever occurs and/or how others manage during a situation like that. Fake yes, but certainly can happen if a bio hazard ever infected corpses (or living beings).

Also, yeah... isn't that the sad truth? Rather then hiring for those who are willing to dedicate and be really good employees- they don't want any 'problems' with the community assuming they're racists or whichever subject comes up so they hire people to balance out the races. Yet this creates a problem like we've just seen, for some aren't qualified to work in society due to their records. Giving them a chance is one thing, but expecting them to never do anything violent is expecting someone to become religious if put in a religious church for a few years. Doesn't work that way. That person has to be willing, and overcome any challenges ether with themselves or others (aka the two girls).

I love most zombie movies, but there are the weird "infection" type movies that pass themselves off as zombie movies, or fast zombies, etc.
Like any genre, there is good and bad. At least bad zombie movies can be silly which lessens the badness.

I agree. Ideally they would hire people who would be good workers, and of course be mentally stable. But they can't always do that, have PR to worry about, and all the other random little things that go into hiring a person to flip burgers and handle money...
As for making people unfit for society, into contributing members of society... it would be easier to make a skyscraper out of marshmallows, than figure out a method to make murdering psychopaths into normal people.