McDonald's incident

[Luke5515]

Those two ladies deserved it....
Until he started swinging while they were on the ground. Defending yourself is one thing, but he got slapped, he didn't need to be that violent, especially while they were already down.

 

[Torrasque]

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That was pretty gruesome. But I've got a question, how can America be a country where via he 3 and out rule you can get huge sentences for menial crimes and yet this woman only served a couple of years for murder? Wtf?

What? I think you misread something.
The guy cashier, the guy with the metal rod (of questionable thickness /wink @Brinnmilo ) is the guy who served time in prison for killing a class mate. I don't know how much time he served, or when the time was served, I am just concerned about the issue at hand. You can do more research into that if you so desire.
And as I said earlier, the US justice system is silly and I won't even touch the subject.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Okay. Having been a manager at a fast food restaurant...

1) The guy should have called higher powers when the fight first started.
2) He definitely should have removed himself from the situation when the girl smacked him.
3) Hopping over the counter like that is grounds for the police to be called.

That said...What the Fuck was going on in those womens' heads? How full of yourself do you have to be to...I don't even.

Not saying what your saying isn't true, but I feel that's part of whats wrong with the country. We're told to puss out, submit, that society tells us were not allowed to fight for ourselves we have to have someone else do the fighting.

I don't condone the guy using the pipe. His life wasnt in danger, he was pissed he got slapped. I could understand an equal force retaliation, but this was anything but.

This is more of a lesson for everyone, be careful who you piss off because you don't know what they're capable of.

 

[Peteron]

They had it coming. The girls overreacted completely over a fucking big mac. Sure the guy beat them down a little too hard, but if she was getting in my face like that I would be smacking her too.

 

[BabyRaptor]

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See, that's more what I was thinking. Management is trained to diffuse situations like that, whereas I doubt he was. One of those ladies could have pulled a gun, for all the knew, and then what would we be saying?

All water under the bridge, it happened how it happened, but...Eh.

 

[Torrasque]

I imagine the lady was caught up in the heat of the moment and was reacting as she saw fit. It is very hard to be calm and asserting in violent situations.

I do see your point. Still it strikes me that almost everyone else was mesmerized while she was behaving the completely wrong way.

If they ALL got him to stop at the same time, yeah it would have been nothing. But who would step up and stop a metal-rod wielding crazy guy? I like to think that I would try and stop him, but it seems likely that I would be so shocked by what was happening, and afraid that he is about to turn on me as well. Hard to say

You are right, people freeze and do stupid things in such situations. But I just wanted to point out how it "should" have worked and why everyone there should feel guilty. (to a degree at least)
An alpha would probably rallied two or three persons and then each of them grab one limb of Mr. Metal Rod batshitcrazy Beatdown guy and the whole incident would have been over much much smoother

Like I said to Caramel Frappe, being behind a camera changes people. They were probably going "HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" like the rest of the people that weren't doing anything.

Again I agree but if our society wants to survive for another century we need change that quickly. VERY quickly. Yet since I don't think we better not survive that century I don't want to impose this change on anyone.

And yes, I personally do hate rubbernecks (especially filming ones). Especially those deserve to be hit with a metal shiny thingy by some crazy serialkillerclown Saints-Row-style. The others not so much...

lol, its like in movies (yes, bad example, I know) when something crazy happens, you usually hear one or more women shrieking at the top of their lungs. Why? Because she enjoys it I guess. It creates a panic effect in movies, but that certainly happens in real life. You get people reacting certain ways for no other reason than because they are inclined to.

If the manager was present, I imagine he would have stepped up to the plate, rallied his troops, and stopped the event from going crazy. But I don't know if the manager is even present, or if the manager is the kind of manager that managers should be (stronger leadership, gives commands, etc.). IDEALLY, someone would have stepped up and stopped it. But they didn't, so /shrug.

lololol, there are hundreds of things humanity has to fix in order to survive the next 50 years nevermind the next 100 years. It is the main reason I am such a bitter cynic these days.

 

[Noble_Lance]

I have to say they are both at fault in this. He was right to question the bill and by law anyone who is in a cashier position is trained to check anything over a $20 for authenticity. Getting hit by the woman was one thing, he did the right thing and walked away there. But she hopped the counter and chased him into the back. He hit her with the metal rod until she was down. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he got her on the ground, if someone chases me to a place they aren't supposed to I would have done the same assuming they had a weapon. Hitting the woman repeatedly after she was down was where I draw the line, that goes from self-defense to assault with a deadly weapon.

 

[Dr. Crawver]

They deserved to be beaten with a metal rod? That's too much for me to believe they deserved it. Honestly, that's a whole lot of violence to have "deserved it" in my book.
Then again, almost any amount of violence is too much for me so...

lol, this is even more appropriate given your Fluttershy avatar xD

Are you trying to say that Fluttershy wouldn't, as they say, "smack a hoe"?

Fluttershy wrestles with bears

 

[RaikuFA]

Those two ladies deserved it....
Until he started swinging while they were on the ground. Defending yourself is one thing, but he got slapped, he didn't need to be that violent, especially while they were already down.

not really, they could be trying to get back up or what if one had a knife? making sure they stay down AND learn their lesson is first priority

and managers in retail and food? THEY DO NOT CARE!!! theyre like teachers when it comes to bullying

 

[Rawne1980]

Just to make it more hilarious, did he ask them if they want fries with that beating?

 

[-Samurai-]

Funny how stuff like that doesn't happen here. Makes you think there's something in the water over there. -.-

Nope. You guys just start riots and fight with police at soccer games. That's soooooo much better.

OT: It stopped being self defense when he hit them while they were down. The women need an assault charge, but they definitely didn't deserve that beating.

 

[Jingle Fett]

I agree with the general consensus but...
One thing that we need to take into consideration is the fact that we couldn't see what was going on on the other side. For all we know, the woman could have been getting up to try and attack him again or something and he felt endangered...

This video seems oddly fitting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnV8NjE7HZA

 

[Gudrests]

Welcome to the hood...not even surprised lol

Was a bit over kill...when they went down OK stop..not..look at them and keep whoopin ass

 

[lilmizzazle]

I work in place like this (not mcdonald's, but a pizza place) and i know for sure that difficult customers are a real pain in the ass. If a mad costumer slapped me in the face, i would definatley back off to see if they would go further. If they'd go further (like these ones did) i would try to knock them out and call security. That's self-defence!

 

[Torrasque]

Both sides seem retarded and they both need a little probation and anger management.

Which is why its funny to see people taking sides on this. Sorry guys, but beating someone with a metal rod 10 times while they lay on the floor and cower before you isnt exactly behavior that should be encouraged.

I like to think I am not taking any sides, but I am leaning towards the "bitches behaving like bitches deserved to be *****-slapped" group.
Either side is not completely blameless of course, that much is certain.

Also, it is interesting to post stuff like this and see how people react.

 

[Bacaruda]

Well, he's clearly mentally unstable. But they deserved 1 hit each though.

Also, I think his last name is funny. McIntosh... heh...

 

[docSpitfire]

I said this in the other thread on the issue...

.. the moment someone takes that effort to cross the counter rather than just spouting profanities, all bets are off.

You have to assume they are going to cause serious harm to you and, more importantly, your coworkers and ensure they are no longer a threat.

If they can get up, they are a threat.

My thought's exactly. You sir / madam, just earned a bunch of common-sense-Internet-points

I agree with this mostly. I don't think the ability to stand up on one's own is indicative of being able to fight still. This guy was in the right... and then the video continued another 15-30 seconds beyond the point where they were no longer a threat. He even paused, perhaps to let them get up, if they'd needed that much time to get up, even if they were able to stand they were no longer in any condition to say try and throw another punch.

The only thing I would have changed about the outcome of the sentences (as I think both were in the wrong) is I probably would have allowed some of the guy's sentence to be exchanged for anger management as this did start as an act of self-defense and I think it would be more beneficial to him and the community at large then paying tons of money to keep him locked up longer.

 

[TheDooD]

Fully justified. He shouldn't have been charged with anything. Those two fucking cunts should have gotten some jail time, though.
If you're gonna jump over the counter or go behind the counter in any way, you FUCKING deserve what's coming to you. That something just so happened to be a metal rod.

Now those cunts are gonna remember not to fuck with people who have terrible McJobs.

So you don't think beating two people (agressors, of course, there is no debate about that) with a metal bar, and continuing to beat them while they are down, is ok?
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When it comes to this hell yea, they had it coming. You don't do shit like that when people are serving you. They're lucky they didn't stomped by the whole working crew because all of them have the right to whoop your ass the moment you go behind the counter.