ME3 Homosexuality Chapter (meant to be Ironic?)

[darron13]

If people have a problem with homosexuality its their problem not anyone else's. I find it terrible that you have to "fake a smile" when talking to gay people. Thats just bigoted and wrong.

The fact is, society tries its best to make homosexuals ashamed of who they are so its perfectly natural for them to be open about it in defiance.

Also, why should games be catered to those "religious" people? If they have a problem with gay people its their problem, something they have to deal with. If someone finds it so morally reprehensible that two people of the same sex love eachother, they don't have to play. There is a huge mess of other games about strait protagonists they can go play instead. Of course most games involve things like mass murder, swearing, using magic, summoning or fighting demons, or any multitude of other things against the bible. So if they want a game built around catering to their religion I guess that just leaves bible sing alongs and what not.

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Here, have 5 internets.

 

[Indecipherable]

Copied and pasted response from the other threads about this:

Please, please please don't just make every character bisexual just because someone wants to fuck a Turian or whatever. The characters should be themselves FIRST and someone's elses sex-simulator LAST. I'm all for providing romance options for all persuasions but re-inventing the whole ME team into a bisexual playboy mansion is just a ridiculous loss of immersion to me.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

All I know is that I'd better be able to gay romance the Krogan on my team or else I'm not interested.

But they'll probably make the only gay option the boring guy, whatshisface...

 

[Kahunaburger]

I think that this is a good point, but it's more a point about bioware's general failure to portray convincing romances than a specific issue with gay romances in particular. Honestly, potentially-lethal sex with your top engineer/hacker makes a lot less sense than garden-variety sex with someone who shares your pair of X and/or Y chromosomes or an alien analogue.

Yeah, basically I'm not entirely sure what to think about the homosexuality thing being somewhat forced into ME3 and I'm pretty much 50/50 on whether its actually true or not until any sort of confirmation or something, but as for the existing romances Tali's in particular was downright absurd.

So its repeatedly stated that these people will die if they leave their suits, that human and other alien DNA is poisonous to them, that you need every crewmember alive and at peak performance, and that Tali is the best techie on the ship and you can kill her for the sake or sex?
Then if you do it she is almost completely ok? Rewriting what was repeatedly stated over and over again?

My point is theres no way around this. What if you don't want Shepard to bang Tali because he cares too much? Why can't you take the option that isn't ridiculously ridiculous? Why is it that upon refusing to sleep with her this path of the game ends?
Why is that in Bioware games romance paths are never considered complete until after the characters have sex?

This is a bit unrelated, and of course its not going to happen, but imagine if in the aftermath of Mass Effect 2 Tali gets sick and dies or is permanently hospitalized as a result of sleeping with Shephard?
Bioware wants immersion? How 'bout having Shep holding his former lover's hand as she lies in a comatose state because of him.
Imagine what that could do to a player who gets emotionally invested in their games and cares about Tali.

Oh yeah, and your username and avatar make me crack up.
A lot.

Haha thx! Yeah, hugely agree - the Tali thing is ridiculous in terms of giving the fans what they want at the expense of verisimilitude.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Well I dont know what you liked forced down your throat but until homosexuality is a majority in the population then alot of people dont want to hear about it.
I dont like homosexuals but I am nice to them can talk to them with a fake smile and go about my day. In the end what they do in the bedroom is their choice.
Same goes for people into BDSM and other niche lifestyles.
You said earlier that there was alot of famous people that are homosexual and fit in being " straight" or acting "straight".
Thats just called not taking the bedroom into the open.
Alot of people enjoy games and although I am from Australia I am pretty sure the game is catered to an US audience and the US has some of the most extreme religous beliefs in the world.
Not having an option not to be gay or a " gay chapter " is incredibly discriminatory to those people are their values and beliefs worthless just because you think its ok to have rainbows and giant Johnsons posted on the wall everywhere?

Wait, so you're whining about there being gay stuff in the series that has, from the first game, featured a bisexual species and had the option to play a gay FemShep*? If having gay people in your games causes you to fly into a panic, Bioware games in general may not be your speed.

*The forum post from Bioware was basically put together as a joke by someone. But Bioware is putting gay options for MaleShep as well as FemShep in the final game.

 

[Friendshipandmagic]

Well I dont know what you liked forced down your throat but until homosexuality is a majority in the population then alot of people dont want to hear about it.
I dont like homosexuals but I am nice to them can talk to them with a fake smile and go about my day. In the end what they do in the bedroom is their choice.
Same goes for people into BDSM and other niche lifestyles.
You said earlier that there was alot of famous people that are homosexual and fit in being " straight" or acting "straight".
Thats just called not taking the bedroom into the open.
Alot of people enjoy games and although I am from Australia I am pretty sure the game is catered to an US audience and the US has some of the most extreme religous beliefs in the world.
Not having an option not to be gay or a " gay chapter " is incredibly discriminatory to those people are their values and beliefs worthless just because you think its ok to have rainbows and giant Johnsons posted on the wall everywhere?

If people have a problem with homosexuality its their problem not anyone else's. I find it terrible that you have to "fake a smile" when talking to gay people. Thats just bigoted and wrong.

The fact is, society tries its best to make homosexuals ashamed of who they are so its perfectly natural for them to be open about it in defiance.

Also, why should games be catered to those "religious" people? If they have a problem with gay people its their problem, something they have to deal with. If someone finds it so morally reprehensible that two people of the same sex love eachother, they don't have to play. There is a huge mess of other games about strait protagonists they can go play instead. Of course most games involve things like mass murder, swearing, using magic, summoning or fighting demons, or any multitude of other things against the bible. So if they want a game built around catering to their religion I guess that just leaves bible sing alongs and what not.

Im not religous in any way but I find your comments bigoted stereotypical and wrong.

Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:

81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian.

So wow I guess if every religous person as you say just went off and played sing alongs Bioware would make how much money?

They dont even have to be religous just coming from a religous conservative household is enough they should have a choice to not take homosexual paths in a game that is all about character interaction choices.

And yet games like grand theft auto that let you hire prostitutes, steal anything at gunpoint and kill people indiscriminately sell just fine despite those things also being not very Christian. So I think the games industry can get along just fine ignoring the few people who let their religion get in the way of their fun. Cause the data clearly shows that even if that many people are religious, enough of them are comfortable with non Christian games to keep buying them.

You think just because a lot of people "identify as religious" that means that games shouldn't explore homosexuality at all? You talk about how you should "have a choice to ignore homosexuality" in games because of what religious people believe? If we gave every game that treatment we would have to avoid any form of combat because "thou shalt not kill". If religious people want a world they can live in where they don't have to deal with different ideas, beliefs and sexuality than theirs then they better grab a shovel cause the only way that is gonna happen today is if they dig a hole for their heads in the sand.

 

[zehydra]

The more and more I find out about the stupid details of Mass Effect games the more and more I feel like I made the right decision in not buying the game.

Is it fun?

 

[zehydra]

Well I dont know what you liked forced down your throat but until homosexuality is a majority in the population then alot of people dont want to hear about it.
I dont like homosexuals but I am nice to them can talk to them with a fake smile and go about my day. In the end what they do in the bedroom is their choice.
Same goes for people into BDSM and other niche lifestyles.
You said earlier that there was alot of famous people that are homosexual and fit in being " straight" or acting "straight".
Thats just called not taking the bedroom into the open.
Alot of people enjoy games and although I am from Australia I am pretty sure the game is catered to an US audience and the US has some of the most extreme religous beliefs in the world.
Not having an option not to be gay or a " gay chapter " is incredibly discriminatory to those people are their values and beliefs worthless just because you think its ok to have rainbows and giant Johnsons posted on the wall everywhere?

If people have a problem with homosexuality its their problem not anyone else's. I find it terrible that you have to "fake a smile" when talking to gay people. Thats just bigoted and wrong.

The fact is, society tries its best to make homosexuals ashamed of who they are so its perfectly natural for them to be open about it in defiance.

Also, why should games be catered to those "religious" people? If they have a problem with gay people its their problem, something they have to deal with. If someone finds it so morally reprehensible that two people of the same sex love eachother, they don't have to play. There is a huge mess of other games about strait protagonists they can go play instead. Of course most games involve things like mass murder, swearing, using magic, summoning or fighting demons, or any multitude of other things against the bible. So if they want a game built around catering to their religion I guess that just leaves bible sing alongs and what not.

Im not religous in any way but I find your comments bigoted stereotypical and wrong.

Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that:

81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian.

So wow I guess if every religous person as you say just went off and played sing alongs Bioware would make how much money?

They dont even have to be religous just coming from a religous conservative household is enough they should have a choice to not take homosexual paths in a game that is all about character interaction choices.

And yet games like grand theft auto that let you hire prostitutes, steal anything at gunpoint and kill people indiscriminately sell just fine despite those things also being not very Christian. So I think the games industry can get along just fine ignoring the few people who let their religion get in the way of their fun. Cause the data clearly shows that even if that many people are religious, enough of them are comfortable with non Christian games to keep buying them.

You think just because a lot of people "identify as religious" that means that games shouldn't explore homosexuality at all? You talk about how you should "have a choice to ignore homosexuality" in games because of what religious people believe? If we gave every game that treatment we would have to avoid any form of combat because "thou shalt not kill". If religious people want a world they can live in where they don't have to deal with different ideas, beliefs and sexuality than theirs then they better grab a shovel cause the only way that is gonna happen today is if they dig a hole for their heads in the sand.

I'd like to point out that our society does not specifically target homosexuals. Society by and large just targets anyone who's different. "Society" doesn't try to make homosexuals feel ashamed of themselves, certain groups and individuals do that (that are within the society, but do not make up the societal whole)

I'm not trying to say that being homosexual is a cakewalk, I'm pretty sure it isn't this day in age and will never be (due to the nature of the biological rarity of homosexuality, and societal hostilities towards minorities), but I think it's a rather common misconception that the entire world is out to get them.

 

[drisky]

Sounds joke a joke to me, considering they say a gay Shepard makes the best story, rather then equal story for everyone. I'm not considering any of the games content until I hear official announcements about it.

 

[Saelune]

This whole issue has brought up so many stupid pointless points.
Shepard can be gay because it is a character you create. Since there is no true Shepard, aside from savior of the universe part, he/she can be straight, gay, bi, or asexual. Or just never find out because he/she never acts on any romance since he/she is too busy saving everyone. It all depends on what YOU DO. Dont like dealing with the issue? Too bad. Some issues happen and you cant avoid them. This is not an issue of romance in the game though. If it was, it would be argued about ME1 years ago, so it obviously has to do with the fact people still look down on homosexuals, which is sad.
As for straight people being "forced" to be or deal with gay issues, again, too bad. Gay people deal with being straight ALL THE TIME. Playing straight game characters, watching straight romances in shows, movies, (or reading them in books). To argue that point is to say you are above homosexuals and should be treated special.
Every game has parts people dont like for whatever reason. I wont say you have to like the "gay part" but you will have to deal with whatever happens. Just like you have to deal with the enemies you fight, the quests you are given, the items you find, and the water temples that hold what you are after...(in Zelda anyways). Not eveyr part of every game is gonna be as fun or as enjoyable as others. Either realize that its only part of the game, or dont buy it.

 

[honestdiscussioner]

Bioware does not make everyone gay. That's so stupid.

They make everyone bi. Jeez.

 

[zehydra]

As for straight people being "forced" to be or deal with gay issues, again, too bad. Gay people deal with being straight ALL THE TIME. Playing straight game characters, watching straight romances in shows, movies, (or reading them in books).

Well, nobody is actually being forced. If it bothers you that much you don't have to play it. It's not really that big of a deal.

 

[Saelune]

As for straight people being "forced" to be or deal with gay issues, again, too bad. Gay people deal with being straight ALL THE TIME. Playing straight game characters, watching straight romances in shows, movies, (or reading them in books).

Well, nobody is actually being forced. If it bothers you that much you don't have to play it. It's not really that big of a deal.

I know I dont have to, but I do. Why? Because its not an issue to me like tihs is to them. I just hate the hypocracy. But even if I did try to avoid it, it would be difficult. How many action movies end up with a male lead "getting the girl" at some point? How often is the show about a man and a woman together or they get together?
Im not saying they all should be abolloshed or anything. Im just asking that straight people realize how wrong it is to think they are being wronged somehow for seeing a gay relationship or be hit on by a gay character (or even person).

 

[Zhukov]

Oh for the love of....

It's threads like this that make me hate humanity in general.

A) That Jennifer Hepler post is probably a joke. Or a fake.

B) If you say you have nothing against homosexuals and then turn around and squeal with horror at the notion of homosexuality being an issue within a game then you are utterly full of shit. Hypocritical and prejudiced shit at that.

C) It turns out that gay people actually exist. As a result, they sometimes appear in works of fiction. Deal with it.