Lol ^_^Vonnis said:
That'd be hilarious.
"Looks up"
Homosexuality meter reads: 100%
Hmm...can one really call Asari females?
ME3 Homosexuality Chapter (meant to be Ironic?)
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That'd be hilarious.
"Looks up"
Homosexuality meter reads: 100%
Hmm...can one really call Asari females?
Absolutely. Although you have to realize that many straight males will consider male homosexual relationships to be disgusting, which is perfectly natural for them. However, I don't think it's really as bad as some people are complaining about. I know I don't really care for watching gays making out or more, but if it bothers me I just ignore it or look away. I don't really find it disgusting, just a turn off, and I mean no offense to you, it's just the way things are with people. I wish people wouldn't convert their reactions into hatred, and that goes for more than just with homosexuality.Saelune said:
So, am I the only one who's going to wait to actually play this game before deciding if it's had too many RPG elements removed and been made too much into a shooter and is handling the gay thing poorly and whatnot? ... I am? Okay. Have fun with your wild theorizing, people.
Sounds more like female Shepard to me. At least male Shepard gets a little emotion in his voice now and then, when he's pissed off. All female Shepard does is talk louder.Irridium said:
We seem to be in agreement, so I dont understand why you argue with me. I am not saying anyone has to enjoy it. But it should not be removed just because someone doesnt like it and are "grossed out" by it. Just deal with it when it comes up, move on, play the rest of the game. Dont want to see Shepard kiss some guy? Then dont return the flirting. Zevran hit on me in Dragon Age, but I wasnt interested in him, rather my character. So I made my character tell him so. Im sure it will happen simuilar in ME3.zehydra said:
At first I found this thread actually hilarious. Someone has a defective irony-detecting-bone!
But on further reading... damn some people are homophobic.
But on further reading... damn some people are homophobic.
Why is it that people only complain about the romantic sub-plots when they throw in an optional, I repeat, optional sub-plot that involves homosexuality, which has no affect on the main plot, and is non-canon? Oh, you don't complain when its content made for you, but when there's completely optional for other people, content that you may not like, which is again completely optional, most people have an outcry. Deal with it. I hated the Tali romance because she was just like my sister. Well, do you wanna get hit on by your sister, who is also an allusion to radical Palestinians. Yeah, I did not enjoy that. Nor do I enjoy the fact I have to deal with Miranda's giant ass (I find it gratuitous rather than appealing), nor do I enjoy the fact that I have to kill every enemy violently. Yet I go through it, because I enjoy the plot, I enjoy certain aspects of the gameplay, mainly the role-playing. So I take it in stride, and make the best of it. If it were that bad, I wouldn't play the game. Which you know, is an option, to not play the game. I'm not aware of anybody being forced to play Mass Effect at gunpoint. If the gay romances are bad enough that just being on the disk ruin the game for me, I'll go "Oh well, Bioware lost a customer." rather than complain about it being in a game which I'll probably get regardless.
As for their pro-homosexual stance, more power to them! I mean, its not like this is the first time they've made a statement. If you've paid attention in the first and second chapter of Shepard's Mass Effect trilogy, you'd know that. Or if you played Dragon Age. Or KOTOR. Or even a few times in Jade Empire. They're a very idealistic and intelligent group of writers, whom which while I have many differing opinions from their published works, respect it for their intelligent thought process and presentation. And they usually do their best to present both sides of an issue, so they might even do it in this instance. There could be options to role-play against homosexuality. The fact that it is allowed neither condones nor condemns it, but rather gives the player a viable point to role-play from.
As for their pro-homosexual stance, more power to them! I mean, its not like this is the first time they've made a statement. If you've paid attention in the first and second chapter of Shepard's Mass Effect trilogy, you'd know that. Or if you played Dragon Age. Or KOTOR. Or even a few times in Jade Empire. They're a very idealistic and intelligent group of writers, whom which while I have many differing opinions from their published works, respect it for their intelligent thought process and presentation. And they usually do their best to present both sides of an issue, so they might even do it in this instance. There could be options to role-play against homosexuality. The fact that it is allowed neither condones nor condemns it, but rather gives the player a viable point to role-play from.
Undead Dragon King said:
Why not?
Why shouldn't a video (something which is ostensibly art) include something controversial content in the main game just because it's controversial?
You always have the option of not playing it.
Now granted, this is a western rpg, so it's supposed to be you being put into the character's shoes, so being forced to be gay would probably break immersion, but then again, Mass Effect does tend more in the JRPG direction, so a lot of the game relates to the internal relationships of your team.
So
Option for gay shepard = good
Gay crewmates = good
Forced gay shepard = bad
Also obvious tongue in cheek is obvious.
I really am sorry if this has been asked before, but does Mass Effect NEED homosexuality in it? I mean, of course homosexuality is definitely something that should not be shunned and ignored, but couldn't Mass Effect 3 be just as good a game if there wasn't any homosexual content? I mean, we've played through Mass Effect 1 and 2 and not had anything hinting that Shepard could be gay. Not though body language or voice inflections. So there is no way that Bioware has defined that he is gay. So why is it so important now? Because you could get in relationships with both men and women? At the core, what I am asking is, Does Shepard being gay change anything about the game? Does it affect it so seriously, that you could take a look at one game where he has never been gay, and then look at the other where he is,you could make them both and call them separate games?
I don't think ANY game company should throw in characters as gay just for shits n giggles. They need to add reasons and make them an actual part of the game. Characters being straight is mainstream. Almost anyone will look at, say, Gordon Freeman, and think "That guy is straight", and its accepted throughout most of the community that most characters are straight. So if someones going to go against whats mainstream, they better do it right and not add them in just for the sake of having a gay character.
(I really hope you understand what the hell i'm saying, because I'm not so sure I understand what I'm saying. Its 3 am, and I'm tired as hell. :\)
I don't think ANY game company should throw in characters as gay just for shits n giggles. They need to add reasons and make them an actual part of the game. Characters being straight is mainstream. Almost anyone will look at, say, Gordon Freeman, and think "That guy is straight", and its accepted throughout most of the community that most characters are straight. So if someones going to go against whats mainstream, they better do it right and not add them in just for the sake of having a gay character.
(I really hope you understand what the hell i'm saying, because I'm not so sure I understand what I'm saying. Its 3 am, and I'm tired as hell. :\)
It's really disconcerting how many people appear not to have an inkling that Hepler's post is clearly taking the piss, and start wailing and gnashing their teeth just like the hyperbolic whingers on the Bioware forums she's taking the piss out of.
When I read the Bioware Forum post I could literally see all the sarcasm dripping over it. The fact that if you think long and hard about it if you don't see the posts sarcastic nature then you should know Bioware wouldn't dedicate a whole chapter in the game's story to stopping the Normandy in midadventure, getting the crew into one of those group circle talk things and having Shepard say " I'm Commander Shepard and I'm a Homosexual." or "I've noticed some members of our crew are experimenting and this what I think." For one, Bioware wouldn't do this sort of thing and force the character into any type of Romance. They didn't do it in ME, ME2 or DA:O (I don't know about DA2 but the group that developed that game are separate from ME3's) and so why would they do it in ME3? Secondly, the post was most likely a jab at the people who were complaining about the romance options in DA2 and how that one player raged over Anders openly flirted with his character as well it being directed at the large number of players who are going to inevitablly complain about the possible gay romance options in ME3. And lastly but not least, thirdly there is no indication that Shepard would be gay as there were no signs in the previous games if you continue over your character however if Bioware were to include it in ME3 then new Shepards would be able to follow the gay romance option without continuity errors.
Short version; Bioware post is a sarcastic jibe at complainers and homosexual romance option will be like the rest, a side quest.
Short version; Bioware post is a sarcastic jibe at complainers and homosexual romance option will be like the rest, a side quest.
Think of it this way- Bioware is trying to implement this into the game well. I don't think many here would disagree that an option for a gay Shepard is wrong, so this is just making it fit into the story in a way that doesn't make it seem like a token inclusion. It's working on details so stuff like the DA2 controversy doesn't happen again. And besides, thinking of and all these little details makes for a better story.
You could equally ask 'does Mass Effect NEED heterosexuality in it?'kortin said:
imo, the answers to both of these questions is 'no'. What Mass Effect NEEDS is believable relationships, whether straight or gay. The game including more choice in this area can only be a good thing, surely. Ultimately, what's the difference between choosing say Garrus over Tali, to choosing Miranda over Tali? Both are choices based on sexual preference.
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And DAMN, it's still funny to notice posts where people haven't got the joke in that BioWare forum post. Is lack-of-irony-detection contagious or something?
Isn't the galaxy facing imminent destruction? The romance part of a game like this should be shoved to the side, not spotlighted. There are bigger things going on right now. The main reason my Shepard didn't date in the first game.
Do we NEED heterosexual content? I mean really? I mean we could've gone through the first two games without it, and it would've been just as good, right?kortin said:
Well, you tell me, why can't somebody just be gay? You're saying that most characters are justkortin said:
straight, so then why can't some just be gay? What is there to say Gordon Freeman isn't gay? Granted, I haven't played Half-life 2 Episode 2, but I doubt there was anything there implying that he is indeed straight. You are basically saying that there has to be some sort of direction behind a gay character, most likely as part of a pro-gay or anti-gay agenda, but that its fine for a straight character to "just be that way". Do you not see the double-standard, or do you not realize that sexual orientation is only one aspects to the many, many facets of a person's self-identity and personality?
Edit: That last sentence there had legitimate questions I'm truly asking you, and not personal attacks.
This is Bioware, so you'll never know for sure.
Humour isn't their forte, but they totally dig the crappy relationship simulation thing there.
I wouldn't even mind some in your face, NPC homo sex scenes, just aslong as they make a good RPshooter. I can skip the emo shit, if there's enough good shooting gameplay and stat juggling in between.
Humour isn't their forte, but they totally dig the crappy relationship simulation thing there.
I wouldn't even mind some in your face, NPC homo sex scenes, just aslong as they make a good RPshooter. I can skip the emo shit, if there's enough good shooting gameplay and stat juggling in between.