ME3 Homosexuality Chapter (meant to be Ironic?)

[wiiwiieddie]

to be fair, the romance in the series as a whole has always been a subplot

 

[darron13]

OH NO! They're putting OPTIONS to let us CHOOSE to hear something about CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?!
WHO DOES THAT?
Because those chapters in ME2 about Miranda finding her sister and Jacob looking for his father were just SO UNNECESSARY.
-____-
You know what? If they had put a chapter in about going into detail about Shepard and whatever (straight) love interests carried over from the previous games NOBODY WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED.
All this sounds like to me is a bunch of straight gamers complaining that they don't want 'teh gay' in their game (unless it's female on female).
Furthermore, the whole retconning the story thing? Firstly. Bisexuals exist, look it up. Secondly. You know that not all gay people are flamboyant and fabulous, right? You know they don't all give out absolutely obvious signals of their sexuality, right? I mean even Femshep was pretty lesbian esque...

And the final thing that bothers me is the fact that even IF it's a mandatory chapter (which I doubt) then how does it really make the game worse? Its no different than a story arc that doesn't interest you, just skim it over and move on, I do not see how it in any way ruins the overarching story of the game...

/gayguyrant

 

[WanderingFool]

Honestly, I always thought male Shepard was gay... just the way he talked... oh, wait... no, that was constipated, he sounds like he is constipated when he talks... whatever, fuck it.

I dont see a problem with it. And as for the chapter dedicated to it, Im sure I dont need to voice myself, I share the same thoughts as the other posters who point out the irony... course, is it irony, or sarcasm with the bioware forum post?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Remember when nobody gave a damn about sexual relationships in Mass Effect? Remember when it was just a minor blip that the company wasn't constantly talking about? I do. Boy I liked Bioware a hell of a lot more back then.

 

[WanderingFool]

I thought the reason that Shepard didn't have homosexual choices was because he, you know, wasn't homosexual. Especially since there have been NO HINTS that he was gay at all. Not through body language, voice inflection(how he talked to people he might have a crush on or something like that, and NOT the stereotypical flamboyant crap seen in all other forms of media), or anything else really.

Then again with Shepard, all he does is stand still with his eyes fixated in one place, and has no emotion in his voice. Male Shepard at least.

Then again, Bioware seems to be rather fond of ret-conning as of late.

Um no hints? You can have a relationship with a female member of your crew in the first game if you picked female Shepard.

And yes, she is female and the relationship was gay. It said right in the codex that Asari are an all female race. Therefore the Shepard I played was in fact, gay.

Honestly it would be great for a company to stop catering to the white/strait male demographic for once.

I thought, in universe, having relations with an Asari, whether the non-asari was male or female, was seen as gay? Course, I barely looked at the codex, so I could have just missed that whole damn thing completely.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Oh for the love of...doesn't anyone recognise [HEADING=2]IRONY[/HEADING] when they see it?

Hepler is obviously poking fun at the tidalwave of homophobia which DA2 and the announcement that ME3 will contain optional s/s romances produced.

I mean, honestly. Read between the lines?

No, seriously,

Am I the only person that can tell that the Bioware forum post is tongue-in-cheek?

Just look at it and think about all the criticism they've gotten over Dragon Age 2. They wouldn't do that, they wouldn't force a homosexual encounter on someone, AND they wouldn't have an entire section of an action/rpg scifi story based around your or your shipmate's coming out party.

You guys are actually taking this seriously? What the hell...

THANK YOU.

Just hypotheticaly, if they all were being serious, then what? lol

 

[Negatempest]

OH NO! They're putting OPTIONS to let us CHOOSE to hear something about CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?!
WHO DOES THAT?
Because those chapters in ME2 about Miranda finding her sister and Jacob looking for his father were just SO UNNECESSARY.
-____-
You know what? If they had put a chapter in about going into detail about Shepard and whatever (straight) love interests carried over from the previous games NOBODY WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED.
All this sounds like to me is a bunch of straight gamers complaining that they don't want 'teh gay' in their game (unless it's female on female).
Furthermore, the whole retconning the story thing? Firstly. Bisexuals exist, look it up. Secondly. You know that not all gay people are flamboyant and fabulous, right? You know they don't all give out absolutely obvious signals of their sexuality, right? I mean even Femshep was pretty lesbian esque...

And the final thing that bothers me is the fact that even IF it's a mandatory chapter (which I doubt) then how does it really make the game worse? Its no different than a story arc that doesn't interest you, just skim it over and move on, I do not see how it in any way ruins the overarching story of the game...

/gayguyrant

Oh damn you, you FREAKIN NINJA'd me. I was JUST about to say the exact same thing, in my words, but you made your point beautifully.

There are a large portion of missions we "had" to do in ME2 that had nothing to do with the story. Why do we need the teammates loyalty? Couldn't they just get..paid if the mission was a success? From of the looks of it, more than half of the people we were with decided to take off either way..so much for loyalty.

I'm a straight guy, perverted even, and I find it very interesting to know how Bioware will tackle the subject of sexuality. How will your team mates react? Did they only like you (Shepard), like some ME fans, just because they "believed" you were heterosexual? Did all the success you had in the past mean absolutely nothing?

I will say this, to this day homosexuals are persecuted in the military, schools, religion, politics, and jobs just because of your sexual taste, NOT because you may have killed a kitten of some kind. So yes, I would love to see how it plays out in the ME universe.

 

[darron13]

OH NO! They're putting OPTIONS to let us CHOOSE to hear something about CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?!
WHO DOES THAT?
Because those chapters in ME2 about Miranda finding her sister and Jacob looking for his father were just SO UNNECESSARY.
-____-
You know what? If they had put a chapter in about going into detail about Shepard and whatever (straight) love interests carried over from the previous games NOBODY WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED.
All this sounds like to me is a bunch of straight gamers complaining that they don't want 'teh gay' in their game (unless it's female on female).
Furthermore, the whole retconning the story thing? Firstly. Bisexuals exist, look it up. Secondly. You know that not all gay people are flamboyant and fabulous, right? You know they don't all give out absolutely obvious signals of their sexuality, right? I mean even Femshep was pretty lesbian esque...

And the final thing that bothers me is the fact that even IF it's a mandatory chapter (which I doubt) then how does it really make the game worse? Its no different than a story arc that doesn't interest you, just skim it over and move on, I do not see how it in any way ruins the overarching story of the game...

/gayguyrant

Oh damn you, you FREAKIN NINJA'd me. I was JUST about to say the exact same thing, in my words, but you made your point beautifully.

There are a large portion of missions we "had" to do in ME2 that had nothing to do with the story. Why do we need the teammates loyalty? Couldn't they just get..paid if the mission was a success? From of the looks of it, more than half of the people we were with decided to take off either way..so much for loyalty.

I'm a straight guy, perverted even, and I find it very interesting to know how Bioware will tackle the subject of sexuality. How will your team mates react? Did they only like you (Shepard), like some ME fans, just because they "believed" you were heterosexual? Did all the success you had in the past mean absolutely nothing?

I will say this, to this day homosexuals are persecuted in the military, schools, religion, politics, and jobs just because of your sexual taste, NOT because of anything you may have killed a kitten of some kind. So yes, I would love to see how it plays out in the ME universe.

I do my best at ninjaing, sir xD
But yes, to make things worse if they had instead said that there was a chapter about 'coming out' but regarding to FEMALE Sheps (I.E. Lesbianism) then I'm sure nobody would have batted an eyelash...this all stinks of a double standard

 

[Friendshipandmagic]

Oh damn you, you FREAKIN NINJA'd me. I was JUST about to say the exact same thing, in my words, but you made your point beautifully.

There are a large portion of missions we "had" to do in ME2 that had nothing to do with the story. Why do we need the teammates loyalty? Couldn't they just get..paid if the mission was a success? From of the looks of it, more than half of the people we were with decided to take off either way..so much for loyalty.

I'm a straight guy, perverted even, and I find it very interesting to know how Bioware will tackle the subject of sexuality. How will your team mates react? Did they only like you (Shepard), like some ME fans, just because they "believed" you were heterosexual? Did all the success you had in the past mean absolutely nothing?

I will say this, to this day homosexuals are persecuted in the military, schools, religion, politics, and jobs just because of your sexual taste, NOT because you may have killed a kitten of some kind. So yes, I would love to see how it plays out in the ME universe.

Exactly. I am tired of this sense of entitlement some strait gamers have. Just because they are the majority does not mean that every game needs to be made with them in mind.

If people have such a huge problem with homosexuality being explored in a game, they don't have to play it.

 

[guidotron82]

Well, in real life, you have the option to make flirtatious comments to people of your sex and many people (probably some people you know) are gay.

So, in other words, some people are gay.

Don't lecture me. And besides, you totally missed the point. I don't care that some people are gay. I can totally appreciate BioWare catering to that crowd as well. But it shouldn't be forced down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it.

Ah, and herein lies the double standard. When straight couples/relations are portrayed in media, no one thinks anything of it. When gay couples/relations are portrayed in media suddenly it's (lol Freud) "forcing it down the throats of people who want nothing to do with it."

Your nose is so far in the air that an angel would probably trip on it. Your logic is also fallacious. A double standard implies a view that is shared by a society. But a game like Mass Effect is a personal experience. People are quite free to have double standards (or none at all) in their own personal lives. The game like that is merely an extension of those same personal decisions. Or it can go opposite of them. Regardless, a game should not force an ideology on someone who doesn't want to hear it.

You're choosing to play the game, you know. If for some reason I am mortally offended by artificial intelligence, I don't have a right to whine about Portal 2 "forcing A.I. down my throat" because I always have the option to not play Portal 2 if it offends me so much.

Well I dont know what you liked forced down your throat but until homosexuality is a majority in the population then alot of people dont want to hear about it.
I dont like homosexuals but I am nice to them can talk to them with a fake smile and go about my day. In the end what they do in the bedroom is their choice.
Same goes for people into BDSM and other niche lifestyles.
You said earlier that there was alot of famous people that are homosexual and fit in being " straight" or acting "straight".
Thats just called not taking the bedroom into the open.
Alot of people enjoy games and although I am from Australia I am pretty sure the game is catered to an US audience and the US has some of the most extreme religous beliefs in the world.
Not having an option not to be gay or a " gay chapter " is incredibly discriminatory to those people are their values and beliefs worthless just because you think its ok to have rainbows and giant Johnsons posted on the wall everywhere?

wow... I honestly do not know how to respond to this as a person, i mean I always thought that as people we would become better, but in terms of sexuality you are saying we are worse than the romans the greeks, and many other civs... i honestly find this disturbing, I happen to be a male that likes females, and well lets just say I NEVER have to fake a smile when my best friend invites me to a gay night...

 

[Negatempest]

Oh damn you, you FREAKIN NINJA'd me. I was JUST about to say the exact same thing, in my words, but you made your point beautifully.

There are a large portion of missions we "had" to do in ME2 that had nothing to do with the story. Why do we need the teammates loyalty? Couldn't they just get..paid if the mission was a success? From of the looks of it, more than half of the people we were with decided to take off either way..so much for loyalty.

I'm a straight guy, perverted even, and I find it very interesting to know how Bioware will tackle the subject of sexuality. How will your team mates react? Did they only like you (Shepard), like some ME fans, just because they "believed" you were heterosexual? Did all the success you had in the past mean absolutely nothing?

I will say this, to this day homosexuals are persecuted in the military, schools, religion, politics, and jobs just because of your sexual taste, NOT because you may have killed a kitten of some kind. So yes, I would love to see how it plays out in the ME universe.

Exactly. I am tired of this sense of entitlement some strait gamers have. Just because they are the majority does not mean that every game needs to be made with them in mind.

If people have such a huge problem with homosexuality being explored in a game, they don't have to play it.

Though what you said it true, it is beside the main issue. The idea that male Shepard may get hit on by another guy because of hero worship/respect/interest and you team mates getting the wrong idea....terrifies ME fans? So EVERYTHING Shepard went through to save alien species, risking and losing his life, nearly facing an advanced species alone means absolutely nothing because he/she may be gay? That is exactly how ****ed up the military and religion is today.

 

[Ickorus]

I apologise in advance for the rambling post you are about to read.

Im getting really annoyed with bioware over the whole homosexuality thing, even if that Bioware post was just a joke it is still getting ridiculous to me, having everyone be bisexual is just ridiculous, no offence but homosexuality statistically is not normal and therefore games shouldn't treat it like everyone is gay or willing to experiment.

I'd prefer it if instead of working on making everyone bi in order to be PC they should actually put some effort into a single character for each sex to be homosexual in a more realistic and detailed way, I believe that would go much much further to help educate younger gamers and even perhaps some of the more prejudiced older ones on how homosexuality is nothing to judge a person on and you can still just as easily be friends with someone who is of that persuasion as you can anyone else.

Im not saying get a big neon sign above the character in question saying "HI, IM ALAN AND IM GAY!", i'd prefer if it was subtle so the person doesn't just bring it up in conversation or broadcasts it at all, they could do it so your character could make a move on the other character and they could say something akin to "Oh, im flattered but im not really into men/women".

I don't know, that's just how I feel about it, Dragon Age 2 pissed me off in that respect.

 

[Nfritzappa]

THAT IMAGE IS FAKE! Wow, how stupid are all of you? It doesn't even have the same font as on their forums.

 

[Friendshipandmagic]

Im getting really annoyed with bioware over the whole homosexuality thing, even if that Bioware post was just a joke it is still getting ridiculous to me, having everyone be bisexual is just ridiculous, no offence but homosexuality statistically is not normal and therefore games shouldn't treat it like everyone is gay or willing to experiment.

I don't know, that's just how I feel about it, Dragon Age 2 pissed me off in that respect.

Dragon age 2 takes place in a fantasy world, so our worlds "statistical percentage" of gay to strait people doesn't matter.

 

[darron13]

Though what you said it true, it is beside the main issue. The idea that male Shepard may get hit on by another guy because of hero worship/respect/interest and you team mates getting the wrong idea....terrifies ME fans? So EVERYTHING Shepard went through to save alien species, risking and losing his life, nearly facing an advanced species alone means absolutely nothing because he/she may be gay? That is exactly how ****ed up the military and religion is today.

That's exactly true, and I was just pointing it out, but I know what you mean.
I avoid religion for those same reasons...as for the military? Let's just say that it's still illegal to be gay where I live, so when I see stuff like this it pisses me off even more...
People don't seem to realize that gay people do exist and the fact that they might just happen to appear in a videogame as an ACTUAL CHARACTER rather than just a campy stereotypical comedy relief character is actually a good sign of change...but hey, that might still be too much to ask for this generation :/

 

[Negatempest]

Though what you said it true, it is beside the main issue. The idea that male Shepard may get hit on by another guy because of hero worship/respect/interest and you team mates getting the wrong idea....terrifies ME fans? So EVERYTHING Shepard went through to save alien species, risking and losing his life, nearly facing an advanced species alone means absolutely nothing because he/she may be gay? That is exactly how ****ed up the military and religion is today.

That's exactly true, and I was just pointing it out, but I know what you mean.
I avoid religion for those same reasons...as for the military? Let's just say that it's still illegal to be gay where I live, so when I see stuff like this it pisses me off even more...
People don't seem to realize that gay people do exist and the fact that they might just happen to appear in a videogame as an ACTUAL CHARACTER rather than just a campy stereotypical comedy relief character is actually a good sign of change...but hey, that might still be too much to ask for this generation :/

I will say this, I am a very perverted heterosexual male (damn proud of it) and I find it ridiculous that a man's/woman's fantastic credentials are thrown out the second "homosexual" appears on the resume. Totally bullcrocky. Heck, I would love to see how shepard reacts to same gender advances and how the team mates react.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

You know, I've never heard of a homosexual complaining about heterosexual content in a game...

Funny...

 

[darron13]

Though what you said it true, it is beside the main issue. The idea that male Shepard may get hit on by another guy because of hero worship/respect/interest and you team mates getting the wrong idea....terrifies ME fans? So EVERYTHING Shepard went through to save alien species, risking and losing his life, nearly facing an advanced species alone means absolutely nothing because he/she may be gay? That is exactly how ****ed up the military and religion is today.

That's exactly true, and I was just pointing it out, but I know what you mean.
I avoid religion for those same reasons...as for the military? Let's just say that it's still illegal to be gay where I live, so when I see stuff like this it pisses me off even more...
People don't seem to realize that gay people do exist and the fact that they might just happen to appear in a videogame as an ACTUAL CHARACTER rather than just a campy stereotypical comedy relief character is actually a good sign of change...but hey, that might still be too much to ask for this generation :/

I will say this, I am a very perverted heterosexual male (damn proud of it) and I find it ridiculous that a man's/woman's fantastic credentials are thrown out the second "homosexual" appears on the resume. Totally bullcrocky. Heck, I would love to see how shepard reacts to same gender advances and how the team mates react.

XD I'm only as perverted as my (rather astounding) ability to pull an innuendo joke out of any situation, but that's as far as my power goes sadly...
And I agree, that would be fascinating, although given the fact that you have conversation choices, I imagine Bioware might have some limits on that to avoid more...offensive conversation trees

 

[Friendshipandmagic]

Well I dont know what you liked forced down your throat but until homosexuality is a majority in the population then alot of people dont want to hear about it.
I dont like homosexuals but I am nice to them can talk to them with a fake smile and go about my day. In the end what they do in the bedroom is their choice.
Same goes for people into BDSM and other niche lifestyles.
You said earlier that there was alot of famous people that are homosexual and fit in being " straight" or acting "straight".
Thats just called not taking the bedroom into the open.
Alot of people enjoy games and although I am from Australia I am pretty sure the game is catered to an US audience and the US has some of the most extreme religous beliefs in the world.
Not having an option not to be gay or a " gay chapter " is incredibly discriminatory to those people are their values and beliefs worthless just because you think its ok to have rainbows and giant Johnsons posted on the wall everywhere?

If people have a problem with homosexuality its their problem not anyone else's. I find it terrible that you have to "fake a smile" when talking to gay people. Thats just bigoted and wrong.

The fact is, society tries its best to make homosexuals ashamed of who they are so its perfectly natural for them to be open about it in defiance.

Also, why should games be catered to those "religious" people? If they have a problem with gay people its their problem, something they have to deal with. If someone finds it so morally reprehensible that two people of the same sex love eachother, they don't have to play. There is a huge mess of other games about strait protagonists they can go play instead. Of course most games involve things like mass murder, swearing, using magic, summoning or fighting demons, or any multitude of other things against the bible. So if they want a game built around catering to their religion I guess that just leaves bible sing alongs and what not.