Meat eaters should have to kill for their food.

[boonryan]

Getting everyone to kill an animal is impractical.
But if you can watch this and at the end think to yourself "yea, I'm okay with that", that should suffice:

http://www.earthlings.com/earthlings/video-full.php

Most people don't understand what it means to have an animal give their life for them beyond the fact that they simply must die at the end of the process. Unfortunately there's alot more to it than that.

 

[Sentox6]

I live in a small rural property. We have and still do kill/slaughter our own livestock. I guess I pass.

But should meat-eaters have to? Of course not. Animals shouldn't be mistreated (most piggeries and battery henhouses spring to mind), but that's another issue again.

And wow, the reCAPTCHA is using upside-down words now.

 

[Double A]

I've killed an animal, I still like meat.

Anyway, if you're going to use that argument, shouldn't you also say you have to grow your own veggies, milk your own cows, make your own cheese, or fish your own fish? I know you also said only once, but it would still be tiresome and inconvenient for most people. Or those who just don't care. Oh, and not to mention the people who see the utter futility at the half-assed lesson you're trying to teach here.

 

[Pandabearparade]

No. I don't need to kill an animal myself to understand that the meat I consume comes from the corpse of an animal.

Though if it came down to killing an animal myself or never eating meat again, I'd kill an animal. I think the point you're driving at ("If you had to butcher it yourself, you wouldn't want to eat it anymore!") is false. Meat is tasty, and most of the animals I eat (cows, chickens) are too stupid to do anything but exist.

 

[Homo Carnivorous]

I think the main ethical problem with human carnivores is that we are too selective in our choice of fat and protein. To much love for the comfort foods we know. We should develope a taste for invasive species. some types of crabs are delicious and a pest. So you can eat those knowing that you are actually saving the environment by doing so.

*pest......and very tasty! omnom

Also some bugs are surpricingly tasty. Also beyond the comedic value of eating say, honey roasted meal worms. They are actually, genuinely well tasting, nutrutious food. etc..

I am trying to expand my horizons on food, and I am finding some pretty interresting stuff that tastes really well.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Why do I need to kill an animal in order to learn how to respect nature?

I already know what it entails.

I have a vegetarian friend, and she's a good friend? Want to know why? Because it took me 2 months to figure out she was a vegetarian, because she's one of the few vegetarians I've met that doesn't define herself based on what she eats.

She doesn't stand on a moral high horse and lecture me, she simply chooses not to eat meat and doesn't even raise an eyebrow when I sit next to her and eat a huge cheeseburger.

We poke fun at each other, sure, there was a time I gave her mint and after about a minute she said 'Wait, this doesn't have bovine written anywhere in the ingredients does it?"

I checked, "oh shit", I said, and sure enough, there it was. I apologised, but not after laughing my arse off. She laughed too, because it was an honest mistake.

My point is, if you define youself by what you eat, then you're a very sad individual. If you have no other noteworthy qualities beyond your food preferences, I feel sorry for you.

Also,

[HEADING=2]I fucking love steak![/HEADING]

 

[Zac Smith]

Obviously I don't want animals to needlessly suffer or anything, but if I'm hungry and want a burger, and for that, an animal must die, then so be it. Simply put, as long as there is no unnecessary pain for it, I couldn't care any less about said animal

 

[Dense_Electric]

I know a lot of (usually female) people who say they'd never kill a chicken or a cow, yet they eat meat regularly.

Oh and while I'm at it, I'd just like to point out the blatant sexism in your post. My grandmother who grew up on a farm had culled plenty of livestock for food, from what I've heard from my parents.

That argument isn't sexist. It would have been if he'd said only female, but statistically he is correct. Women are much more likely to be squeamish about this kind of stuff than men. Go complain about science being sexist.

No. That's society, not science. And the fact that he needlessly included that irrelevant detail strikes me as having slightly sexist undertones even if it isn't full-on sexism.

Anyway, for the OP: That may be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Yes, animals born to be killed for food so humans can eat, get over it. Your fruits and vegetables are grown to be killed for food, I think you should have to grow your own food and kill it so you can appreciate it.

 

[Odbarc]

Some people actually do hunt and eat the meat they earned.
To say that everyone who ever wants to enjoy a pizza with pepperoni on it should have to shank a cow for the privileged seems pointless.
For one, it would be like saying your not allowed to buy vegetables from the store because you haven't farmed them once yourself to appreciate the hard work that goes into it.
Maybe if a person was a meat-only eater, in which case, they likely DO hunt and eat their own meat all the time to save money because it's expensive -
- omnivorous humans shouldn't NOT eat mean. Having excessive empathy for a wild animal that every other meat eating animal would quickly devourer for survival wouldn't think twice about doing so is ludacris. There's no real good reason to restrict meat from your diet if you choose not to.

Vegetarian/vegans are just another elitist minority that want praise and attention for their choices when no one cares about it.

 

[Agent Monocle]

I used to be an assistant animal care technician... though it was less about the caring and more of "taking care" the animal involving a box and a canister of CO2. I have put to sleep families at a time. I have looked into the eyes of animal before "taking care" of it. All for the name of science! So... Can I haz cheeseburger? Or probably a hot dog once I think about it.

Anywho, I can't imagine forcing people to kill animals to eat meat being... practical in anyway other than to try to influence their diet SAW style. Meh.

 

[Para199x]

I own chickens. I love my chickens, some of them have names (we dont eat the family favs). However, we do eat them. Its not processed meat, its natural. In fact, if you eat meat this way it helps your immune system as opposed to buying red meat at the store.

It's hard to kill an animal, but I'm not so liberal as to be a vegetarean. However I find it interesting you point out mcDonalds... I try to sway all my friends from eating there. They dont buy American products, their beef is barely technically meat, and they are funding rainforest clearing and therefore the debeautification of Earth. I'm with you on the no McDonalds.

Vegetarianism has nothing to do with liberalism. Liberalism is the ideal of having little government control and as few laws as possible. Vegetarianism is a choice to do with what you eat; there is no connection there at all.

OT: I agree at least that people who eat meat should be at least willing to kill for their food, it's a bit impractical to actually go about it but if you don't at least think you could kill for meat then it is hypocritical. For the record I'm not a vegetarian.

 

[Happy Toki Toki]

I think it's important that people know where their food comes from, but to have everyone in this day and age hunt and kill their own food would be rather difficult.

On the other side of it, I would much rather have fresh meat than pre-packaged stuff and I also think that if people had to kill their own food then meat would go back to being treated with respect and people would understand that an animal died to feed them, which I think our society has lost contact with that - including myself.

And to finish - Humans never useto eat as much meat as we do now, I think it would do the world good if meat went back to being a weekend or special occassion only kinda thing.

feel free to comment and disagree, sorry for my bad spelling.

 

[i7omahawki]

Yep you're pretty much right.

But I wouldn't make it part of an established education program or organized societal process. It should be grassroots (if you'll excuse the partial pun) in that people should decide for themselves that they want to see, or perform, the process itself.

I've come across your example of those that think meat is some product that barely relates to a dead animal, and of course that's because for them, it is just that. Viewing the meat industry as a service instead of a production (as well as pet stores and dairy farms etc.) would improve it somewhat, I think. People end up worrying too much about the product, whether it is cheap and tasty, than the real issue of, how was this meat prepared? Were the animals dealt with humanely and with any kind of care?

It's good to see a vegan consider the possibility of ethical meat-eating, but generally rarer than that is an omnivores consideration of that possibility, which is a shame.

 

[Sicram]

I have killed and chopped, skinned and grilled a pig. Every bit of meat that comes from swine or cattle is from an animal me and my family have raised and killed. Now living on a farm does make it a lot easier to be able to do these things. So... do I qualify for an internet stranger's respect?

While world hunger probably could be solved for a decade (then after that we're too many, again) if everyone turned vegitarian we'd probably see an increase in food realted illnesses if the switch is made all of a sudden.

Also, I can confirm that swine and cattle are batshit dumb. Cattle even more so, even out in the free field they eat, crap and sleep in the same spot if they feel like it. A novice programmer would be able to construct a cow/bull "intelligence" with very few flaws.

While I'm pro omnivore lifestyle I'm anti over-consumption and find stuff like epic mealtime stupid.

P.S. Gelatine comes from pig parts like ears and nose. "vegitarians" who eat jello or the like are hypocrites.

 

[Scarim Coral]

While I can say I have seen some brutal videos of animal getting killed to become our food but yet again killing the animal yourself is alot different from watching it.
However with your argument wouldn't that mean you the OP should have a go at growing vegetable yourself to realise how hard it take to grow it? (If your the type of give no regard to vegetable or a farmer.)
Or better yet milking a cow for its milk or using it to make cheese and etc. You see what I'm getting at? Should we all have to do the pain steaking labour process once just to appricate and understand the end product of it? (Unless it's your job to do so).

 

[AzureRaven]

Let me first say that while I could never go through with it myself...and don't ever wish to, I respect the commitment it takes to be a vegan...that's quite limiting in terms of something you do multiple times every day: EAT.

As far as being willing to kill it, I think that's a pretty good point. A lot of people probably eat meat based products without a lot of consideration for what had to be sacrificed to get there. It's just worth a bit of thought I think.

Nooow to the point where I disagree. It seems a little batty to have every single person who want to eat meat kill for it. It's just plain not practical to how we do things today. I've hunted myself, and I can appreciate just how hard it can be to track down and kill certain animals. Or have to raise others that are easy prey. It's just more convenient for us to play the role of pure consumers in that regard.

Basically, I agree to an extent. They should have the WILLINGNESS to kill, and truly understand what it means before they sink their teeth into that burger. But should they have to do it themselves? No, that's just ludicrous.