Meat eaters should have to kill for their food.
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I find this thread pretty funny, as you are more likely a citizen of a Western capitalistic society you no doubt have products that were made in countries with much less stringent working conditions, may have used child labor, and had very lax environmental standards. Those vegies you're eating now were most likely picked by indigent workers for sub-minimum wage, with the ever present threat of getting arrested for being undocumented aliens. The metals in your computer were probably mined in conditions that lead to thousands of human deaths, all to make a cheaper price tag for the end consumer.
While not killing animals to get your tasty hamburgers may make you a little more ethical in one respect, you profit from death and labor of millions all to keep your happy lifestyle. We often avert our eyes from what is unpleasant, otherwise we'd be very depressed but still very rich. This makes us all hypocrites in denial, but is that really a bad thing?
While not killing animals to get your tasty hamburgers may make you a little more ethical in one respect, you profit from death and labor of millions all to keep your happy lifestyle. We often avert our eyes from what is unpleasant, otherwise we'd be very depressed but still very rich. This makes us all hypocrites in denial, but is that really a bad thing?
No. In this day and age we don't need to kill the animals ourselves, hell back in the day (and some places now obviously) it would be a group of hunters that would bring food for the whole village, too much people now for it to be practical.
By your logic I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy anything I haven't done once myself, I've never made a game so I guess I should stop playing until I do.
While it's great that you feel comfortable stating your point I'd like to tell you that I love meat, it's fantastic and I wouldn't stop eating it unless I had to.
I've never grown any fruit or veg, caught a fish and never milked a cow either... so I guess I'll just have to starve, although I have to admit, that high horse you're on right now does look mighty tasty.
By your logic I shouldn't be allowed to enjoy anything I haven't done once myself, I've never made a game so I guess I should stop playing until I do.
While it's great that you feel comfortable stating your point I'd like to tell you that I love meat, it's fantastic and I wouldn't stop eating it unless I had to.
I've never grown any fruit or veg, caught a fish and never milked a cow either... so I guess I'll just have to starve, although I have to admit, that high horse you're on right now does look mighty tasty.
I'm fine with that. Lowers the price of meat for me, though it is a bit more labor intensive. And it's not nearly as efficient as the system we have now.
I bet hunting a cow is ridiculously easy.
I bet hunting a cow is ridiculously easy.
I like you. I'm only 17, and I have no clue as to how I might attain a hunting license, a weapon to hunt with and lessons with that weapon, let alone if I could afford it, but when I'm older, I will probably take you up on that. I currently eat meat and you are right, if the time comes and I can't bring myself to end an animal life, then I'll give up sentient meat (I've caught fish before, and I don't think they are all that bright/self-aware, so in terms of how much their life is worth, it ain't much).Glass Joe the Champ said:
Hmmm... I've actually been meaning to become a vegetarian for a long time (mainly health reasons), but consistently failed because I liked meat too much. Killing fish for food isn't hard I imagine, but that's fish. Maybe if I raised a chicken or a pig for the express purpose of eating, I'll finally manage it.
Not to rain on your parade, but I actually want to be computer savvy enough to do this one day. As for building a house, I personally think it sounds interesting and wouldn't be adverse to that. The planet one's going to be hard though...Necromancer Jim said:
I shot and ate a deer once. does that help?
also, that IS like saying artist should make their own papaer. atleast once.
and PC useres should make their own motherboards..atleast once.
so it IS a bit crazy.
also, that IS like saying artist should make their own papaer. atleast once.
and PC useres should make their own motherboards..atleast once.
so it IS a bit crazy.
I'm a meat fan. Love the stuff. I also agree with your point. One should kill and clean an animal at least once in thier lives if they want to eat meat. Just so they have a context for what they're consuming.
I, myself also enjoy hunting when I get the chance. I go after kangaroo, but mostly ferals i.e. rabbit, goat and deer. Also, if a fox, (feral) cat or whatever gets spotted by me, it's getting shot.
I, myself also enjoy hunting when I get the chance. I go after kangaroo, but mostly ferals i.e. rabbit, goat and deer. Also, if a fox, (feral) cat or whatever gets spotted by me, it's getting shot.
It's certainly required, but it's instructive. My only point is that it's good to know how things are done. I don't think it should be required by law, but I definitely think it's a good thing to do, yes. I think you might have misunderstood my "should" as some kind of forceful statement. It's more along the lines of "people should read the ingredient list when they buy food". Not a moral imperative or anything, just a good idea in my opinion.Bags159 said:
I would rather focus my empathy and concerns towards improving the lifestyle and living conditions of other people than worrying over what my neighbour decided to eat yesterday and whether they've ever considered the vast implications of that burger they're munching down on.
But hell, that's just me.
But hell, that's just me.
