Metal is starting to leave my heart

[Assassin Xaero]

I was a "hate everything that's not metal" kinda guy when I was younger but Metal has started to get blasted away from me by the loud beats of Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.

One of my favorite songs last year was

Spoiler

<youtube=__8OqgtqYuE>

and now it's

Spoiler

<youtube=MEQMkzjcLEA>

And for added discussion value I'll ask you how have you're taste of music evolved the last year/years?

It'll will be back, or at least it came back with me. Around high school I barely had any metal left on my ipod, then later I started to listen to it a lot more...

Since I was 7 or 8, my musical taste has mainly jumped back and forth between punk and metal (you know, real metal [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDEqyHvHldA], not that nu metal shit). There was also a little ska at one point.

Oh, and if you like drums/bass, look up Jeff Hughell. He has an EP out that is only drums/bass. No guitar or vocals.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Oh, and on metal, ignore anyone who says 'DATZ NOT METULZ!!!' just because it's not heavier than a lead elephant and from somewhere in Scandinavia. There are a lot of that kind. Slipknot are definitely metal.

I've spent the last 8 years on the internet debunking this same statement almost every single day. No, I really don't have a life.

Just because Slipknot uses distorted guitars, fast drumming and some screaming doesn't mean they fall under the metal genre. They play hard rock music. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. I really don't get why people get so defensive about it. When I say 'Slipknot isn't metal', that's always translated to 'I hate Slipknot and that's why they're no metal'. I don't hate them. I don't really like most of their songs, but I don't hate them. I appreciate them for what they are: hard rock. There is only one thing that dictates the genre of a band: the musical structure. Listen to Slipknot's guitar lines. They follow the exact same chord patterns as every standard rock song ever made. Think away the speed at which they're played, and tune down the distortion a bit, and you got yourself a perfectly normal U2-ish rock song.
Actual metal bands don't even need distortion and/or screaming to be metal. Their different musical structure makes them metal. Most power metal bands are no where near as 'heavy' as Slipknot, but they're still metal.

Example: when you play a piece by Mozart on a fully distorted electric guitar, someone screams the bassline and the drums are a blastbeat, are you playing metal? No. You're simply playing classical with unconventional instruments.

So when a band plays a hard rock song, only with heavier guitars, harsher vocals and faster drums, they are still just playing hard rock.

You know that's pretty much what metal is. You're going to tell me 'Sabbath aren't metal? It's just blues played low and sludgy. It's this kind of bullshit unprovable argument that annoys me.

 

[Duffeknol]

Oh, and on metal, ignore anyone who says 'DATZ NOT METULZ!!!' just because it's not heavier than a lead elephant and from somewhere in Scandinavia. There are a lot of that kind. Slipknot are definitely metal.

I've spent the last 8 years on the internet debunking this same statement almost every single day. No, I really don't have a life.

Just because Slipknot uses distorted guitars, fast drumming and some screaming doesn't mean they fall under the metal genre. They play hard rock music. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. I really don't get why people get so defensive about it. When I say 'Slipknot isn't metal', that's always translated to 'I hate Slipknot and that's why they're no metal'. I don't hate them. I don't really like most of their songs, but I don't hate them. I appreciate them for what they are: hard rock. There is only one thing that dictates the genre of a band: the musical structure. Listen to Slipknot's guitar lines. They follow the exact same chord patterns as every standard rock song ever made. Think away the speed at which they're played, and tune down the distortion a bit, and you got yourself a perfectly normal U2-ish rock song.
Actual metal bands don't even need distortion and/or screaming to be metal. Their different musical structure makes them metal. Most power metal bands are no where near as 'heavy' as Slipknot, but they're still metal.

Example: when you play a piece by Mozart on a fully distorted electric guitar, someone screams the bassline and the drums are a blastbeat, are you playing metal? No. You're simply playing classical with unconventional instruments.

So when a band plays a hard rock song, only with heavier guitars, harsher vocals and faster drums, they are still just playing hard rock.

You know that's pretty much what metal is. You're going to tell me 'Sabbath aren't metal? It's just blues played low and sludgy. It's this kind of bullshit unprovable argument that annoys me.

The incorporation of the blues note into sludgy, depressive, downtuned 'some kind of rock' spawned the new genre to begin with. Of course metal will have some (keyword) resemblance (key phrase) to hard rock, but it's not a 1 on 1 copy. There's new stuff flying all over the place.

Listen to a random Morbid Angel song and see if you can pick out the standard hard rock chord progression from them. It's not unprovable, it's just impossible to explain to the musically impaired.

 

[Fishyash]

I dunno what to feel about the posters who are linking bands to attempt to get the OP back into metal.

Personally I think this is a great thing and expanding your musical tastes can give a more open-minded approach to mu-OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST MENTION YOU ARE LISTENING TO DUMBSTEP WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nah just kidding go ahead like it, you should not listen to/avoid certain styles of music just because others say so.

 

[Obrien Xp]

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions because you posted a slipknot song as one of your ex favorites, but it could be because you weren't listening to many good metal bands.

HERESY!

What is good metal then?

Truer words were never spoken.

Top 5:
Sabaton
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Wolfchant
Amon Amarth

Alestorm is good but I wouldn't really call them metal so much as hard rock.

 

[Danik93]

I dunno what to feel about the posters who are linking bands to attempt to get the OP back into metal.

Personally I think this is a great thing and expanding your musical tastes can give a more open-minded approach to mu-OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST MENTION YOU ARE LISTENING TO DUMBSTEP WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nah just kidding go ahead like it, you should not listen to/avoid certain styles of music just because others say so.

How can you not like BAOWAOWAOWAOWAOW BABABABABABA BAOWAOWAOW!

OT: Dubstep is a tricky genre, the vast majority is total shit so when you are looking for new dubstep you walk around knee deep in shit until you find an island of gold where you stay for a while then moving on (Because you an only listen and like a dubstep song a couple of times)

 

[Thirsk]

My theory? Metal is dying. Look at the classics, Metallica, Maiden, Priest. They just don't make music like that anymore.

Your theory is wrong.

Is it now? I absolutely love metal over other genres (though I like a lot of other styles, from psytrance to neo-folk or mongolian throat singing) which is also why I am saddened by the development in the recent years. I mean, look at the 90ies - it spawned alot of great metal bands, not to mention the whole norwegian black metal movement. I don't think I have to elaborate on how great the 80ies were for metal. Now what have we got from the 00es? Well, there's good bands a-plenty, but far the majority of it is regressive, trying to recreate the sound of earlier styles rather than forging ahead. Sure, we have to folk metal movement, but even that have it's beginnings in the 90ies. I hate to think about it, but it seems to me like metal is slowly starting to stagnate; somehow there isn't anything true that isn't also regressive and oldschool.

However, I'd love if you could prove me wrong.

 

[Duffeknol]

My theory? Metal is dying. Look at the classics, Metallica, Maiden, Priest. They just don't make music like that anymore.

Your theory is wrong.

Is it now? I absolutely love metal over other genres (though I like a lot of other styles, from psytrance to neo-folk or mongolian throat singing) which is also why I am saddened by the development in the recent years. I mean, look at the 90ies - it spawned alot of great metal bands, not to mention the whole norwegian black metal movement. I don't think I have to elaborate on how great the 80ies were for metal. Now what have we got from the 00es? Well, there's good bands a-plenty, but far the majority of it is regressive, trying to recreate the sound of earlier styles rather than forging ahead. Sure, we have to folk metal movement, but even that have it's beginnings in the 90ies. I hate to think about it, but it seems to me like metal is slowly starting to stagnate; somehow there isn't anything true that isn't also regressive and oldschool.

However, I'd love if you could prove me wrong.

Seriously, honestly, truthfully, all you need to do is start listening to every single thing Devin Townsend has ever released. Faith restoration guaranteed.

 

[Harlemura]

I've never been a fan of metal, but that doesn't mean I too am moving even further away for it. Taking more and more steps toward the... girly.

Can't really remember what I was listening to before, but it was certainly more respectable than listening to

Spoiler: this.

I don't think I'm even allowed to listen to metal anymore.

 

[Danik93]

I was a "hate everything that's not metal" kinda guy when I was younger but Metal has started to get blasted away from me by the loud beats of Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.

One of my favorite songs last year was

Spoiler

<youtube=__8OqgtqYuE>

and now it's

Spoiler

<youtube=MEQMkzjcLEA>

And for added discussion value I'll ask you how have you're taste of music evolved the last year/years?

It'll will be back, or at least it came back with me. Around high school I barely had any metal left on my ipod, then later I started to listen to it a lot more...

Since I was 7 or 8, my musical taste has mainly jumped back and forth between punk and metal (you know, real metal, not that nu metal shit). There was also a little ska at one point.

Oh, and if you like drums/bass, look up Jeff Hughell. He has an EP out that is only drums/bass. No guitar or vocals.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing... When I said Drum n' Bass I meant this:

<youtube=y2KC1P9s6-Q>

 

[Nazz3]

The thing is that you never got into metal. Slipknot is a very much of a gateway band. Not that they're bad, but theres so much more to the metal genre than the music what Slipknot makes.

Anyways, i'd say just listen to what you like at the moment, no need to force yourself to like a genre.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Oh, and on metal, ignore anyone who says 'DATZ NOT METULZ!!!' just because it's not heavier than a lead elephant and from somewhere in Scandinavia. There are a lot of that kind. Slipknot are definitely metal.

I've spent the last 8 years on the internet debunking this same statement almost every single day. No, I really don't have a life.

Just because Slipknot uses distorted guitars, fast drumming and some screaming doesn't mean they fall under the metal genre. They play hard rock music. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. I really don't get why people get so defensive about it. When I say 'Slipknot isn't metal', that's always translated to 'I hate Slipknot and that's why they're no metal'. I don't hate them. I don't really like most of their songs, but I don't hate them. I appreciate them for what they are: hard rock. There is only one thing that dictates the genre of a band: the musical structure. Listen to Slipknot's guitar lines. They follow the exact same chord patterns as every standard rock song ever made. Think away the speed at which they're played, and tune down the distortion a bit, and you got yourself a perfectly normal U2-ish rock song.
Actual metal bands don't even need distortion and/or screaming to be metal. Their different musical structure makes them metal. Most power metal bands are no where near as 'heavy' as Slipknot, but they're still metal.

Example: when you play a piece by Mozart on a fully distorted electric guitar, someone screams the bassline and the drums are a blastbeat, are you playing metal? No. You're simply playing classical with unconventional instruments.

So when a band plays a hard rock song, only with heavier guitars, harsher vocals and faster drums, they are still just playing hard rock.

You know that's pretty much what metal is. You're going to tell me 'Sabbath aren't metal? It's just blues played low and sludgy. It's this kind of bullshit unprovable argument that annoys me.

The incorporation of the blues note into sludgy, depressive, downtuned 'some kind of rock' spawned the new genre to begin with. Of course metal will have some (keyword) resemblance (key phrase) to hard rock, but it's not a 1 on 1 copy. There's new stuff flying all over the place.

Listen to a random Morbid Angel song and see if you can pick out the standard hard rock chord progression from them. It's not unprovable, it's just impossible to explain to the musically impaired.

Plenty of metal bands use hard rock chord proggressions. Kyuss did, Metallica do, Machine Head do. Chord progressions aren't one of the defining features of metal; if you make if feel weighty enough and play it with the right attitude then you can make most things into an at least metal-esque tone, especially if it's hard rock. For example, lots of Iron Maiden songs use a hard rock chord proggression but with the classic 'Maiden gallop. The boundary between hard rock and metal is damn near indistinguishable as it is, and anyway, have you heard some Slipknot? Go listen to Vendetta, Pulse Of Maggots, Opium Of The People or Sulfur and tell me it's not metal. It's certaintly isn't hard rock.

 

[Duffeknol]

I was a "hate everything that's not metal" kinda guy when I was younger but Metal has started to get blasted away from me by the loud beats of Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.

One of my favorite songs last year was

Spoiler

<youtube=__8OqgtqYuE>

and now it's

Spoiler

<youtube=MEQMkzjcLEA>

And for added discussion value I'll ask you how have you're taste of music evolved the last year/years?

It'll will be back, or at least it came back with me. Around high school I barely had any metal left on my ipod, then later I started to listen to it a lot more...

Since I was 7 or 8, my musical taste has mainly jumped back and forth between punk and metal (you know, real metal, not that nu metal shit). There was also a little ska at one point.

Oh, and if you like drums/bass, look up Jeff Hughell. He has an EP out that is only drums/bass. No guitar or vocals.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing... When I said Drum n' Bass I meant this:

<youtube=y2KC1P9s6-Q>

Now, I absolutely love Pendulum, but you do realize they're a rather poor example of Drum n' Bass, right?

 

[Fishyash]

I dunno what to feel about the posters who are linking bands to attempt to get the OP back into metal.

Personally I think this is a great thing and expanding your musical tastes can give a more open-minded approach to mu-OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST MENTION YOU ARE LISTENING TO DUMBSTEP WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nah just kidding go ahead like it, you should not listen to/avoid certain styles of music just because others say so.

How can you not like BAOWAOWAOWAOWAOW BABABABABABA BAOWAOWAOW!

OT: Dubstep is a tricky genre, the vast majority is total shit so when you are looking for new dubstep you walk around knee deep in shit until you find an island of gold where you stay for a while then moving on (Because you an only listen and like a dubstep song a couple of times)

I'll admit this is my stance towards dubstep, which... unfortunately is why I don't listen to it much.

However, I do believe there is good music that i'd like in every genre but sometimes there are genres (for example, dubstep) is like finding a needle in a haystack. I'll also like to say since it will be slightly more on topic, that I believe this for some of the subgenres of heavy metal too.

Guys don't hate me. Please! I didn't do anything wrong!

 

[jaguar444999]

Slipknot are terrible because they are just a really lame toned down for the kiddies version of pantera. R.I.P. Dimebag. also metal-core death-core screamo and all that crap with "screams" is shit its like someone with no balls trying to death growl but failing so hard they start choking. Also Gamabomb, Evile and Municipal waste are some good new bands that are always looked over because of this kiddy shit like slipknot and Bullet for my valentine.

Funny you say Slipknot is a kiddies band then praise Pantera...

dude whats the problem with pantera? they created groove metal- impressive feat

and no-one has mentioned king diamond/merciful fate
why-o-why?

 

[Aidref]

Too much of a good thing will get you sick of it very quickly. If you haven't completely turned off of metal then you should put it on the bench for a while and listen to other Genres, it's a really great thing to have an eclectic taste.

For example, I love Metal, I'm in a Death Metal band, the raw energy you get from playing it or listening to it is empowering and great but there's only so much of that I can take before I get sick of it so i listened to other genres and discovered Boards of Canada(Who are my new favorite group). Recently I've been falling in love with ambient music, the like of Brian Eno, Aphex Twin, Xela or William Basinski. I've also grown fond of rap in the past few year as well, Cypress Hill, The Pharcyde, Eazy E and the usual suspects. You should spread your self out there a bit more

 

[Duffeknol]

Oh, and on metal, ignore anyone who says 'DATZ NOT METULZ!!!' just because it's not heavier than a lead elephant and from somewhere in Scandinavia. There are a lot of that kind. Slipknot are definitely metal.

I've spent the last 8 years on the internet debunking this same statement almost every single day. No, I really don't have a life.

Just because Slipknot uses distorted guitars, fast drumming and some screaming doesn't mean they fall under the metal genre. They play hard rock music. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. I really don't get why people get so defensive about it. When I say 'Slipknot isn't metal', that's always translated to 'I hate Slipknot and that's why they're no metal'. I don't hate them. I don't really like most of their songs, but I don't hate them. I appreciate them for what they are: hard rock. There is only one thing that dictates the genre of a band: the musical structure. Listen to Slipknot's guitar lines. They follow the exact same chord patterns as every standard rock song ever made. Think away the speed at which they're played, and tune down the distortion a bit, and you got yourself a perfectly normal U2-ish rock song.
Actual metal bands don't even need distortion and/or screaming to be metal. Their different musical structure makes them metal. Most power metal bands are no where near as 'heavy' as Slipknot, but they're still metal.

Example: when you play a piece by Mozart on a fully distorted electric guitar, someone screams the bassline and the drums are a blastbeat, are you playing metal? No. You're simply playing classical with unconventional instruments.

So when a band plays a hard rock song, only with heavier guitars, harsher vocals and faster drums, they are still just playing hard rock.

You know that's pretty much what metal is. You're going to tell me 'Sabbath aren't metal? It's just blues played low and sludgy. It's this kind of bullshit unprovable argument that annoys me.

The incorporation of the blues note into sludgy, depressive, downtuned 'some kind of rock' spawned the new genre to begin with. Of course metal will have some (keyword) resemblance (key phrase) to hard rock, but it's not a 1 on 1 copy. There's new stuff flying all over the place.

Listen to a random Morbid Angel song and see if you can pick out the standard hard rock chord progression from them. It's not unprovable, it's just impossible to explain to the musically impaired.

Plenty of metal bands use hard rock chord proggressions. Kyuss did, Metallica do, Machine Head do. Chord progressions aren't one of the defining features of metal; if you make if feel weighty enough and play it with the right attitude then you can make most things into an at least metal-esque tone, especially if it's hard rock. For example, lots of Iron Maiden songs use a hard rock chord proggression but with the classic 'Maiden gallop. The boundary between hard rock and metal is damn near indistinguishable as it is, and anyway, have you heard some Slipknot? Go listen to Vendetta, Pulse Of Maggots, Opium Of The People or Sulfur and tell me it's not metal. It's certaintly isn't hard rock.

Bleh, sadly that's true.
Someone should really come up with some actual rules or guidelines when it comes to defining musical genres. There's a reason I've been having the same discussion on the internet for nearly a decade; there is no answer. All we can do is defend our own observations... which eventually boils down to opinion vs opinion. Truce?

 

[Death_Korps_Kommissar]

I have to wonder... Why the hate against Slipknot? They are good!

Well in my humble opinion i dislike them because:
A lot of their fans are fucking douchebags who think they are teh most brutal evr and say every other metal band just isn't metal enough (not saying you are just there are quite a few very vocal members, Corey can't sing for shit and he is a terrible lyricist, joey is not teh fastest drummer evah! and chris fehn can die in a hole.
But some of their stuff is okay =)

OT: Mine has evolved quite a bit as I used to be a fucking metal puritan asshole, if it's not metal it's shit! But now I still love metal but i like some dub-step, classical and blues and jazz music.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Oh, and on metal, ignore anyone who says 'DATZ NOT METULZ!!!' just because it's not heavier than a lead elephant and from somewhere in Scandinavia. There are a lot of that kind. Slipknot are definitely metal.

I've spent the last 8 years on the internet debunking this same statement almost every single day. No, I really don't have a life.

Just because Slipknot uses distorted guitars, fast drumming and some screaming doesn't mean they fall under the metal genre. They play hard rock music. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. I really don't get why people get so defensive about it. When I say 'Slipknot isn't metal', that's always translated to 'I hate Slipknot and that's why they're no metal'. I don't hate them. I don't really like most of their songs, but I don't hate them. I appreciate them for what they are: hard rock. There is only one thing that dictates the genre of a band: the musical structure. Listen to Slipknot's guitar lines. They follow the exact same chord patterns as every standard rock song ever made. Think away the speed at which they're played, and tune down the distortion a bit, and you got yourself a perfectly normal U2-ish rock song.
Actual metal bands don't even need distortion and/or screaming to be metal. Their different musical structure makes them metal. Most power metal bands are no where near as 'heavy' as Slipknot, but they're still metal.

Example: when you play a piece by Mozart on a fully distorted electric guitar, someone screams the bassline and the drums are a blastbeat, are you playing metal? No. You're simply playing classical with unconventional instruments.

So when a band plays a hard rock song, only with heavier guitars, harsher vocals and faster drums, they are still just playing hard rock.

You know that's pretty much what metal is. You're going to tell me 'Sabbath aren't metal? It's just blues played low and sludgy. It's this kind of bullshit unprovable argument that annoys me.

The incorporation of the blues note into sludgy, depressive, downtuned 'some kind of rock' spawned the new genre to begin with. Of course metal will have some (keyword) resemblance (key phrase) to hard rock, but it's not a 1 on 1 copy. There's new stuff flying all over the place.

Listen to a random Morbid Angel song and see if you can pick out the standard hard rock chord progression from them. It's not unprovable, it's just impossible to explain to the musically impaired.

Plenty of metal bands use hard rock chord proggressions. Kyuss did, Metallica do, Machine Head do. Chord progressions aren't one of the defining features of metal; if you make if feel weighty enough and play it with the right attitude then you can make most things into an at least metal-esque tone, especially if it's hard rock. For example, lots of Iron Maiden songs use a hard rock chord proggression but with the classic 'Maiden gallop. The boundary between hard rock and metal is damn near indistinguishable as it is, and anyway, have you heard some Slipknot? Go listen to Vendetta, Pulse Of Maggots, Opium Of The People or Sulfur and tell me it's not metal. It's certaintly isn't hard rock.

Bleh, sadly that's true.
Someone should really come up with some actual rules or guidelines when it comes to defining musical genres. There's a reason I've been having the same discussion on the internet for nearly a decade; there is no answer. All we can do is defend our own observations... which eventually boils down to opinion vs opinion. Truce?

Yeah, ok. I think the line between metal and rock is pretty gradual. I mean, where would Motorhead go?

I have to wonder... Why the hate against Slipknot? They are good!

Well in my humble opinion i dislike them because:
A lot of their fans are fucking douchebags who think they are teh most brutal evr and say every other metal band just isn't metal enough (not saying you are just there are quite a few very vocal members, Corey can't sing for shit and he is a terrible lyricist, joey is not teh fastest drummer evah! and chris fehn can die in a hole.
But some of their stuff is okay =)

OT: Mine has evolved quite a bit as I used to be a fucking metal puritan asshole, if it's not metal it's shit! But now I still love metal but i like some dub-step, classical and blues and jazz music.

Corey's actually a pretty good vocalist, but most of his Slipknot stuff isn't great. His lyrics and vocals are much better in Stone Sour. To be honest I prefer SS, they're a bit more grown up.