Meth.

[Flying Pilgrim]

My uncle was once hooked on this,it messed up his life big time.It was fortunate he understood that it was F***ing with his life.

 

[Darkwolf9]

Meth has tons of costs to society and no it shouldn't be legalized. Meth is made through a horrendous mixture of many different chemicals. Those chemicals in the body alter our own chemistry. It is very addictive and eats our bodies away. The costs come go into health care for these individuals, welfare, policing, and rehabilitation. That doesn't even count how much money is spent repairing property from lab explosions and costs of theft and other crimes committed for the drug. I've seen a lot of people succumb to this drug and I rather despise it.

 

[ace_of_something]

I work in law enforcement I can tell you meth and crack are the worst of the worst. Crystal Meth is high addictive and makes people very very hyper and violent. The one and only time I've had to take a life was when a kid on meth (and crack) beat the shit out of his mother. Broke all her windows and started running around the nieghbor hood firing a .38 at houses and people. I worked Vice for 2 years as well. Meth dealers tend to be an odd sort. They of all dealers are the least likely to partake in their product and tend to actually seem smart enough to navigate the legal system.

I don't believe in the legalization of any currently illegal drugs but even the people behind legalizing weed likely think this is dumb.

 

[Darkwolf9]

Um... Has anyone in this thread even tried meth, or do you all just watch "intervention" and "faces of meth" all day? Well guess what kiddies, I've tried it, and it ain't that bad. Didn't get hooked, didn't claw my eyeballs out, and actually had a stellar time! Maybe someone with an addictive personality would get hooked, but some of us can just do it and have some fun with minimal harm done to our bodies, and people like me don;t like being punished for some idiot that can't stop using.

I've never done it, but I grew up with people who did and in an environment that was saturated with it. My step dad did it and his pictures slowly turned into what you see in the middle of this page. My aunt did the same thing and she's currently in prison for crimes committed for this drug, not to mention the fact that she lost her husband, kids, and pretty much anything she had going on for her. I played in houses where they cooked meth and seen all of the comings and goings. Based on that I've never had a desire to do it.

 

[ace_of_something]

I don't think the legality of any drug is stopping people from taking the drug.

Noone's sitting there thinking "I'd really love to start taking heroin, but I'd hate to go to jail, so I won't."

Drug laws push people that are in bad places in their life further into the gutter, sending them into downward spiral.

What we need to do is learn all about drugs, from a young age - no propaganda, no lies - most drugs are bad enough that you don't need to lie to your kids to keep them from wanting to do them.

Might be true on the getting started thing. But I have known many folks who stopped using cause the first trip to jail was enough. Usually though that's only true with weed.

 

[chronobreak]

EDIT: Oh..also you sound like a meth head lol.

That's nice, because I'm not. And I would appreciate if people didn't put words in my mouth. I never said meth was cool, I never said to try it. But, you will never hear about the person who can handle it, and function in the real world, you only hear about the idiots who can't be responsible. I guess I was trying to open up the debate a little, since it is kind of lacking, to include perceptions of drugs and the impact that perspective and such has as well. I presented my opinion in a rational manner, trying not to offend anybody, and I get pounced on by fellow Escapists? What's going on with the community? This is a forum for discussion, and if you can't discuss things without misrepresenting my words, or telling me I'm going to get banned or whatever, then why are you even here?

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

I don't think the legality of any drug is stopping people from taking the drug.

Noone's sitting there thinking "I'd really love to start taking heroin, but I'd hate to go to jail, so I won't."

Drug laws push people that are in bad places in their life further into the gutter, sending them into downward spiral.

What we need to do is learn all about drugs, from a young age - no propaganda, no lies - most drugs are bad enough that you don't need to lie to your kids to keep them from wanting to do them.

no, cause then kids would realise that there was nothing wrong with taking weed from the age of like 8 as opposed to 14
the truth is, there isnt THAT much wrong with most drugs, but they're illegal so they lie/exaggerate to justify the law

 

[all the tramps]

Marijuana I think being legalized would really help our economy. Meth....would destroy it. Also....you don't see people killing folks when they are on the mary jane or overdosing. Alcohol which is legal though, kills people daily! Yeah...that makes sense.

yeah but humans have beeen drinking alcohol for thousands of years, drugs like weed and meth are realitivly new compared to alcohol. it would be a economic catastrophe if you took alcohol away. (hoping not to sound to much like an alcoholic)
i hope some one agrees with me

 

[fenrizz]

Might be true on the getting started thing. But I have known many folks who stopped using cause the first trip to jail was enough. Usually though that's only true with weed.

Wait, what? Do you guys send people to jail for smoking weed?

yeah but humans have beeen drinking alcohol for millions of years, drugs like weed and meth are realitivly new compared to alcohol. it would be a economic desastore if you took alcohol away. (hoping not to sound to much like an alcoholic)
i hope some one agrees with me

I am pretty sure that weed has been around for a long, long time my friend.
It also seems like you're comparing weed and meth, which in my opinion is very wrong.

 

[all the tramps]

EDIT: Oh..also you sound like a meth head lol.

That's nice, because I'm not. And I would appreciate if people didn't put words in my mouth. I never said meth was cool, I never said to try it. But, you will never hear about the person who can handle it, and function in the real world, you only hear about the idiots who can't be responsible. I guess I was trying to open up the debate a little, since it is kind of lacking, to include perceptions of drugs and the impact that perspective and such has as well. I presented my opinion in a rational manner, trying not to offend anybody, and I get pounced on by fellow Escapists? What's going on with the community? This is a forum for discussion, and if you can't discuss things without misrepresenting my words, or telling me I'm going to get banned or whatever, then why are you even here?

yes but the manner in which you were saying it sounded like you were advitising it and making it cool to use it, thats why we all disagree with what you said, evan you who i must say sounds like a well spoken person can see the problem with what you just wrote

 

[iain62a]

Ok, I'm staying neutral on this one, but one could say that in a truly free society, people should be allowed to put whatever they want into their bodies.

I don't see why the government has any right to control what people do to their bodies.

I'd stay the fuck away from it either way though.

 

[ace_of_something]

Might be true on the getting started thing. But I have known many folks who stopped using cause the first trip to jail was enough. Usually though that's only true with weed.

Wait, what? Do you guys send people to jail for smoking weed?

Technically you go to jail for 'posessing' the MJ not smoking it. If you smoked it all before you're caught and aren't driving or out in public you really wouldn't get arrested for anything.

Like all drugs laws in the USA possesion and how much is the name of the game. Less than 2 oz. gets you a fine usually. More than that you you might be looking at some jail time. If you have a lot on you it's assumed that you are 'in possesion of a controlled substance with the intent to distribute' this is bad and can get you many months-years.

Meth example. Had a guy been caught with 'dealer' (usually about 12 oz.) amounts of meth three times. The third time he had approx 2 kilos he has been sentanced to 12-24 years. He acutlaly was a really nice guy when he was in jail and off the junk.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Marijuana I think being legalized would really help our economy. Meth....would destroy it. Also....you don't see people killing folks when they are on the mary jane or overdosing. Alcohol which is legal though, kills people daily! Yeah...that makes sense.

yeah but humans have beeen drinking alcohol for millions of years, drugs like weed and meth are realitivly new compared to alcohol. it would be a economic catastrophe if you took alcohol away. (hoping not to sound to much like an alcoholic)
i hope some one agrees with me

From Wikipedia:

Evidence of the inhalation of cannabis smoke can be found as far back as the 3rd millennium BC.

What does the novelty of a product have anything to do with the way society handles it anyway?
Cigarettes as we know them today didn't exist 150 years ago, yet we still seem to be doing fine.

 

[Altorin]

no, cause then kids would realise that there was nothing wrong with taking weed from the age of like 8 as opposed to 14
the truth is, there isnt THAT much wrong with most drugs, but they're illegal so they lie/exaggerate to justify the law

If you're a parent, and your 8 year old can hide a marijuana habit from you, you're a horrible parent. If you let your 8 year old smoke marijuana, you're a horrible parent.

And you honestly think lying to justify a law is ok? That's fucking ridiculous. If there's nothing wrong with doing a drug, then it shouldn't be illegal. Lying to your kids, and scaring them with false propaganda turns them into ignorant little fuckheads, and when they find out you were lying to them, they feel like you don't trust them to be smart enough to make the right decision.

Never lie to your kids about drugs. If they ask you about them, find out the answer for yourself if your parents poisoned your own understanding, and tell them the truth. If you're honest with your kids, then they'll make the right decision.. and if they don't, you'll be able to help them without patronizing them.

 

[Anarchemitis]

It's like Marijuana except the Highness is stronger, the medical benefits are nonexistant, and is typically formulated in the same manner of 'Good for you' that Bleach and/or Nitric Acid is.

Being beneficial for humanity from Meth is unpossible.

 

[all the tramps]

sorry bout that i was meant to say thousands*
thanks SCA that pretty cool to know , talk about learning new things everyday

 

[fenrizz]

Might be true on the getting started thing. But I have known many folks who stopped using cause the first trip to jail was enough. Usually though that's only true with weed.

Wait, what? Do you guys send people to jail for smoking weed?

Technically you go to jail for 'posessing' the MJ not smoking it. If you smoked it all before you're caught and aren't driving or out in public you really wouldn't get arrested for anything.

Like all drugs laws in the USA possesion and how much is the name of the game. Less than 2 oz. gets you a fine usually. More than that you you might be looking at some jail time. If you have a lot on you it's assumed that you are 'in possesion of a controlled substance with the intent to distribute' this is bad and can get you many months-years.

Meth example. Had a guy been caught with 'dealer' (usually about 12 oz.) amounts of meth three times. The third time he had approx 2 kilos he has been sentanced to 12-24 years. He acutlaly was a really nice guy when he was in jail and off the junk.

That is reassuring to know. Thought for a minute there that people were actually getting imprisoned for small amounts of MJ.