Microsoft says Hardcore gamers have been wrong for 10 years

[Savagezion]

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/hardcore-gamers-wrong-10-years.html

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

So hardcore gaming is all about the achievements?
I thought it was about th k/d rate and the high-scores...
Seems I as wrong.

You're both wrong, it's about your knowledge and interest in the gaming industry as a whole.

 

[CAPTCHA]

But who the fuck COMPLAINED about Ethernet ports?

The ones who wanted inbuilt wi-fi?

 

[soulasylum85]

1. i love achievement and will go out of my way in a game to get them. but i will never play a game that i dont enjoy just to get them.

2. i like avatars but i have yet to buy anything for mine

3. the wii? the only thing i can think of being wrong about is thinking that is was a cool idea and getting one, only to realise that the novelty soon wears off and motion controls are utter shit

 

[Sephychu]

Still though, on a slightly subjective note, that bit where they say that the only reason the "hardcore" will play these games is because of achievements is just depressing.

Yet, for some people, probably true.

I find this topic rather irritating. The last paragraph is Toulouse telling us that we buy their shit regardless of how shit it is.

The part about paying for online multiplayer 'never working' hasn't been rebuked at all. It doesn't work. There is literally no reason for the fees.
The sad part is he can afford to say all this liquid horse-shit because people are buying this stuff.

I now have some serious hate for this man. He's going the way of the fashion business. He's telling the demographic of a leisure based industry what they want, rather than giving them what they want.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Hardcore gamers don't use consoles anyway, so the whole statement is wrong from the very start anyway.
/flamesuit-on

Maybe people don't like dealing with DRM?

Because that's why I don't play PC.

 

[silver wolf009]

ACHIEVMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ahem: im not getting Natal (i call it natal because im a grammer nazi and kinect is spelled wrong) and im not enough of a achievment *Bleep* to change for that.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I've been wrong about my own opinions? Thanks Microsoft!

 

[migo]

I think it's funny. He's spot on too.

 

[KaiRai]

...Is this really news? It's more just some guy going "NER! I'm right! You're wrong!"

Anyway Microsoft, it's taken you nigh on 20 years to develop a system that can handle 2 programs being open simultaneously. Don't talk to me about wrong, you hypocrits.

You bought a premade computer didn't you? >.<. Build your own and you don't have these problems.

Unlike Microsoft, I don't claim to be a brilliant engineer when it comes to this issue. Also my computer is a Dell, Microsoft made the OS, not the actual computer. Building my own would not solve this problem. Take your pedanticism elsewhere.

 

[Lightslei]

...Is this really news? It's more just some guy going "NER! I'm right! You're wrong!"

Anyway Microsoft, it's taken you nigh on 20 years to develop a system that can handle 2 programs being open simultaneously. Don't talk to me about wrong, you hypocrits.

You bought a premade computer didn't you? >.<. Build your own and you don't have these problems.

Unlike Microsoft, I don't claim to be a brilliant engineer when it comes to this issue. Also my computer is a Dell, Microsoft made the OS, not the actual computer. Building my own would not solve this problem. Take your pedanticism elsewhere.

Dell is a subsidiary of Microsoft.

Also if you built your own correctly you'd have enough RAM and Memory space that you'd be able to run several massive programs at once. It's not the OS's problem, but simply a lack of RAM.

 

[migo]

...Is this really news? It's more just some guy going "NER! I'm right! You're wrong!"

Anyway Microsoft, it's taken you nigh on 20 years to develop a system that can handle 2 programs being open simultaneously. Don't talk to me about wrong, you hypocrits.

You bought a premade computer didn't you? >.<. Build your own and you don't have these problems.

Unlike Microsoft, I don't claim to be a brilliant engineer when it comes to this issue. Also my computer is a Dell, Microsoft made the OS, not the actual computer. Building my own would not solve this problem. Take your pedanticism elsewhere.

Yes it would, premade computers come bundled with crapware.

 

[KaiRai]

...Is this really news? It's more just some guy going "NER! I'm right! You're wrong!"

Anyway Microsoft, it's taken you nigh on 20 years to develop a system that can handle 2 programs being open simultaneously. Don't talk to me about wrong, you hypocrits.

You bought a premade computer didn't you? >.<. Build your own and you don't have these problems.

Unlike Microsoft, I don't claim to be a brilliant engineer when it comes to this issue. Also my computer is a Dell, Microsoft made the OS, not the actual computer. Building my own would not solve this problem. Take your pedanticism elsewhere.

Yes it would, premade computers come bundled with crapware.

That doesn't change simultaneous operating. I'm talking about the split programme screen, like Windows 7 has now. Nothing to do with 'crapware'

 

[migo]

You have a weird idea of what simultaneous operating is, and there's nothing in Windows 7 to do with simultaneous operating that wasn't present in previous versions.

 

[Laughing Man]

Well Microsoft are wrong for several reasons.

1). The overall statement is stupidity on a base level. The morons that will buy kinetic are not the folk they are trying to claim were wrong for the last decade. The kinetic is exactly what it is, a device designed to steal market share from the Wii and the Wii market has never been and will never be, 'the hardcore gamer.' Every game so far for the Kinetic is the same as for the Wii, a combo of mishmash on rail nonsense 'garden of eden' or the old favourite, 15 crappy mini games that by any definition you would pay maybe 50p each for bundled together under the obligatory 'party' banner and then tacked with a price that comes to twice what the games are actually worth.

2). This mythical 'hardcore gamer' market that MS is referencing hasn't actually existed for the last 15 years now. In fact hardcore gamers disappeared when the Psone went massive being more pedantic it's possible to say that hardcore gamers disappeared when the Commodore and Spectrum disappeared in favour of plug and play home consoles and no PC gamers are not hardcore either. You have to be a terminal wolly not to be able to install a modern game on a modern PC and then get it to run.

3). The Kinetic will under perform and it will under deliver. MS market trend shows us this will be the fact. By that I mean MS identify a market share they don't currently occupy and then throw money and blind ignorance and stupidity at that market until people give up and buy their tat instead of someone elses. That's exactly what they did with the XBox and XBox 360.

4). Who is going to buy this product? The Wii market? Why buy something that costs as much as a Wii and still requires you to fork out for a console to use it on and at the end of the day does the exact same thing as the Wii?. The Wii is white small and friendly and sits perfectly in the market it is aimed at and comes with the motion system as standard. The 360 doesn't fit the market that this pointless technology is aimed at, and before anyone says this is pure MS bashing the similar system that Sony is also working on looks equally as mind bendingly pointless and moronic.

5). Hardcore gamers will buy this to get achievements? Really? Really MS? I am sorry I have to say that again, REALLY! Is it possible that people including this mythical 'hardcore gamer' buys games to play the game and to have fun and that for 99.9999999% of normal people the achievements are nothing more than an annoying announcement that pops up the first time you do something mildly worthwhile. 'Well done you have just been awarded 'The just found your feet award' congratulations for standing up and scratching your balls!'

Dell is a subsidiary of Microsoft.

Uh no it isn't. They joined forces to create what they call a strategic development partnership alliance but that was designed to assist in roll outs and development of large business server groups and will have little if any effect on the guy sitting behind his home PC. They are two separate companies that work together to make it seem like they are making the world a better place rather than the big group of bastards laughing like bastards while draining cash out of your pocket like bastards.

 

[Spekter068]

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/hardcore-gamers-wrong-10-years.html

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

But Toulouse later suggested that the hardcore audience, who largely expect Kinect to underperform and under deliver when it launches in November, had been "wrong a lot" about market trends and successes "for the past ten years",

"Let's go back and look at the track record of the hardcore gamer," he continued.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

Oh hey so lets count up the way that insults us

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments? as the wise profit Mike Mizian once said "Really?"
2.That OPINIONS like "I don't like Avatars" have been proven wrong because people do like them.

2 so far but I'm sure someone can disect it more

You betcha we can.

3. Speaking as someone who grew up in a family that survives on a paycheck from a service industry, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. ALWAYS RIGHT MEANS NEVER WRONG. Way to go, Microsoft. You just broke the most basic rule of business.

As someone who actually works in the service industry allow me to explain something to you. Customers are retarded end of story. The whole the customer is always right is the same as saying this will hurt me more than it will you or you can be anything you want as long as you put your mind to it. They only say that to pat you on the head and make you feel better.

Haha nonono, you misunderstand me; customers are almost always retards. You're just not supposed to tell them that.

 

[Thaius]

Uh... in terms of success of things, he's actually pretty spot-on. Sometimes those things haven't turned out well for us hardcore gamers, but we were still wrong about them. But at least some of us aren't too stuck-up to admit it...