Microsoft: Who needs blu-ray? (Dtoid Article)

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TPiddy

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Garak73 said:
No, it's not understandable. No other industry treats 100% of their customers like thieves. Every industry faces theft, not every industry mistreats 100% of their customers.

Sorry but being "understanding" only encourages more and worse DRM.
Well, there's always a right and a wrong way to go about things, but being someone who has had something they've worked hard for stolen from them, I can sympathize. You have a point in that their treatment of consumers has been shoddy of late, but that's only a select few and not the majority.
 

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Really? Instant blu ray streaming. PFft yeah, if people have the best internet connection in the world
 

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Willsor said:
Really? Instant blu ray streaming. PFft yeah, if people have the best internet connection in the world
Yeah, some people are extremely ignorant. This is the part that stuck out the most, for me. People actually think you can "stream blu-ray" (lol, sigh). He's not stating it as fact, he's just saying it that way because it's all they have to offer. So people will believe it anyway.

Try downloading the Lord of the Rings 'trilogy' in full unripped Blu-Ray in anything short of a week. Try it, I dare you. Then come back and tell me how stupid it is to suggest you can "stream Blu-Ray"..
 

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Mornelithe said:
Considering a great many games have been 'chopped' down, due to capacity restrictions on the 360 (FFXIII, Lost Planet 2, for example).
You forgot to mention gta4.
This reminds me of the George Carlin bit:
?And now a message from the national apple institute: Fuck Pears!?

I can see why these companies (especially MS) would like to abandon physical media but I think they?re going to have to come to the realization that while digital distribution is a great format for rentals (as we see with Netflix) nobody wants the things they own to be so insubstantial. Of course they can all band together and still force it on us which is probably what they?re going to do: as long as people don?t get completely fed up, these companies can make a lot more money off us with digital distribution.

Of course it could also blow back on everyone and make piracy even more popular than it is now. Many will figure "if I'm not going to properly own it, I'm not going to properly buy it."
 

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Garak73 said:
Really? Don't most publishers use some form of DRM that goes beyond a cd check?
Not really, my only experience so far has been EA's online activation and Ubisoft. Then again, I only play legit copies of games and I don't have Steam.
 

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I'm a 360 fanboy at heart, I mean I'm posting right now in between playing Reach, and even I know Blu-Ray will be around for a long ass time.
 

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I just can't imagine any one I know being able to stream "1080p Blu-ray quality video" due to the fact that here in the UK (well were I am at least) our internet connections simply can't reach speeds good enough to handle that. We replace the rubbish 2mbps max connections around here, blu-ray will definitely be the best way to watch HD video.
 

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Don't you need to switch the disks at some point to play Mass Effect 2 on Xbox 360?

Yeah, who needs Blu-Ray...
 

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Garak73 said:
Did you notice that Starcraft II lost LAN play so they could force people to log into b.net to play multiplayer? That's DRM that goes beyond a cd check. If I am not mistaken you are forced to create a b.net account to even activate the game.

Just EA and Ubisoft you say? What percentage of disc based titles do these two companies produce? What about Activision, aren't they introducing a sub to play online for one of their games? That would also be DRM beyond a cd check.
Didn't play Starcraft II, but not all of EA's titles have the DRM. EA's Bioware releases didn't and I don't even have a Bioware account, but I was still able to play all of Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 without jumping through any DRM hoops. As for Activision, they haven't done so yet, so you're just speculating.

I've never experienced DRM with Gears of War, Valve 360 titles, Crackdown, Red Dead Redemption, Fallout.... hell every game I've ever played on the 360 outside of EA's NHL 11.
 

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Garak73 said:
Dragon Age's DLC (one of which they give you free) is DRM. Try installing your DLC for Dragon Age on your second computer and see what happens when you can't log into their server.
Yeah I think you're specifically ignoring the fact that I am talking about the 360 just to make a point.
 

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Garak73 said:
...and I'll bet that's true for the 360 as well. Try downloading your DLC on a second 360 and playing it while the internet is not connected.
And why would I need to do that exactly? And why are these companies 'wrong' for preventing me from doing that? I can play the disc in another 360 just fine :)
 

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I generally agree. Sure, I have a PS3 and can watch a blue ray, but that has happened precisely five times. The problem, as I see it, is the lack of value.

A blue ray movie tends to cost 50% more than the same film on DVD. The increase in audio and visual fidelity, to be quite honest, rarely actually has a meaningful impact on the film. Worse still, most blue ray movies ship with fewer special features than the equivalent DVD release. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't really think the digital copy is a significant value add.

To be honest, I think Blue Ray as a movie format is a losing venture in the long run. It might stick around awhile longer for games as increased storage capacity is always a nice thing to have but even here you find the media's days are numbered. Eventually, game distribution will rely mostly in digital distribution but until you can guarntee the vast majority of potential players have access to reliable high speed internet (and as games get larger the top speed becomes increasingly important) the disc will always have a place.

I, for example, rarely acquired games through digital distribution simply because, with my old ISP, it could take up to a full day to download a game (it topped out at around 240k/s). Now, with top end speeds around 8,000k/s, I can install a full game in less than an hour meaning it is actually more convenient to get a game this way than it would be to go out to the nearest game retailer, purchase a game, and install it.
 

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On the topic of price... To gain the same functions from each console =

PS3 250GB slim + Move = ~£330

Xbox 250Gb slim + blu ray player + gold live + Kinect = ~£450

Digital download is not the way to go at all, people like to have a hard copy of their purchases, I am wary of DLC because I can't have it on disc!

And I'm pretty sure switching would have a huge negative impact on our economy!

Edit: John lewis has a killer deal,

320GB PS3 slim + move is £280! So £300 for that and nav controller