Miss USA Controversy

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zoozilla

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cball11 said:
If you were raised with an indoctrination against a group of people due solely to their lifestyle choices, then you are a bad person. I don't like dealing in absolutes, but this is just true. You can't call yourself a good person when you are this judgmental.
From the quote provided, I didn't feel that she felt any ill towards gays - she just pointed out that she was raised to believe that marriage was between a man and a woman.

Still, I do agree that it's the wrong viewpoint and there's no reason it shouldn't be horribly out-dated by now.

Really, there are probably a few Miss America contestants who are actually homophobic but answered the question "correctly" anyway.
 

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Its a bit ridiculous she (may) have lost the contest because of this. They asked her for her personal view on it, not for the most P.C. answer she could come up with.
 

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Well, if she was just giving the politically correct answer, she should just be getting whatever answers she expected. However, if she said what she actually believed, she obviously should get whatever comes to her.
Also, people should begin to accept the fact that gays are going to be able to get married in America. It's happening in all the most advanced countries in the world. It'll happen here, too, just like socialized healthcare, and I say, let it happen. Just another step toward the civilization of civilization.
 

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The thing is that she was mistaken in her statement... We don't live in a land where homosexuals can choose same-sex marriage. 47 out of 50 states have made it illegal. However, her answer was very well stated, if a little-vague on the details.

A fun-fact... Most of these Pageant Queens are the children of overbearing Republican mothers who live vicariously through their daughter's beauty and grace.
 

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A (very small) part of me is proud of her for stating what she believes in, but the other 99.9bar% of me just has to sigh and the unwillingness of people to be so unaccepting of others and stony towards their struggles for equality.

To echo tels, the "That's how I was raised" argument shows an unwillingness to think for yourself or question the actions and beliefs of the past and how they pertain to modern society. When Richard Dawkins gave a lecture at OU, (that I attended :D) he said "What on earth is a university for if it only enforces opinions students already hold?" Deriving from that, what is the purpose of personal logic and free will if we only believe the opinions that came before us?
 

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One of my friends is working her way up the ranks in Miss USA, and from what she has related to me regarding the "behind the scenes" portion (i.e. everything but the talent and bathing suit portion), they key is not necessarily saying what you believe but relating a position the judges find favorable in a charming fashion. It surprises me that a contestant that has made it as far as the Miss USA pagent (in Texas at least one must win a City pagent before compeating at the state level and finally heading to the national contest), because by the time they have reached the national stage they have likely been tested before and delivered their response with charm and tact.

I don't think her position is going to hurt her cause, but I suspect her choice of words may. As a contest that espouses some incredibly traditional values, being against gay marriage is hardly a death sentence.
 

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I'd like to say bravo for saying what she really thinks in an unfavorable situation, but I have a hard time having sympathy for anyone with those views... 8|
 

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SkinnySlim said:
Love the avatar. Watch it, they'll kill you around here for that....
One of the reasons I like this community is they have been very accepting, I've only gotten a few ill comments on it. I try not to bring it up to much, because it seems O'Reilly enrages many people, but I find most of the time his views line up with mine. So, thank you.

von Ohzu said:
Read the transcript again. The girls problem isn't that she's homophobic her problem is that she can't speak English.
I don't think it was so much a problem of her fumbling with the words, I mean she was asked her stance on gay marriage by a gay man, and I'm sure she was quite surpirsed they would ask that question on the show. It really put her on the spot, and not in a good way.

Also, the other contestant got some fluff question. What's up with that?
 

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Mookie_Magnus said:
A fun-fact... Most of these Pageant Queens are the children of overbearing Republican mothers who live vicariously through their daughter's beauty and grace.
Really and you are privy to this information how?
 

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If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's reasons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.
 

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Everyone who says "thats how I was raised" makes her an idiot really don't understand human nature. Our parents views heavily influence our own and some we never can shake, no matter how intelligent a person is.

They asked her a question and she gave them her opinion, she wasn't putting herself out there making her views heard, they asked her.
She never said she's against homosexuality or that all gays should die and go to hell or something equally flame worthy, she just stated she believes that MARRIAGE should be between a man and a woman.
Marriage was set up as a religious bonding, why do gay people want to get married? Cos they still have this belief from their parents that you marry the person you love and that marriage bonds you, which leads back to my first point that parental POV influence well after childhood.

Just to make things clear I am straight, I am not against homosexuality, but I am against homosexuals (or in fact anybody ie religious people/atheists/Gamers/Non-Gamers) chucking hissy fits over someones private views. You want people to accept your way of life, fine, but accept that other people will have their (possibly differing) way of life. As long as nobody is trying to force someone around to their thinking there shouldn't be a problem. Not that I expect it will ever happen that way, but hey we can hope.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
good reasons
I knew you'd show up here. It may not be a good reason to YOU, but for some of us it works just fine, kay? In my house growing up, we always ate meatloaf. I was raised on meatloaf. Now, I could probably not like meatloaf, if I really, really tried, but see, it turns out that I DO like meatloaf! And that is why I like meatloaf.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
mkg said:
If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.
There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.
The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Sphinx86 said:
Everyone who says "thats how I was raised" makes her an idiot really don't understand human nature. Our parents views heavily influence our own and some we never can shake, no matter how intelligent a person is.
While that may be true in *some* cases, it is not *necessarily* true in this case.

What makes you think that's the case here?
There is no evidence to support that it is the case, but there is no evidence to support that it isn't either. I wasn't saying she 100% isn't an airhead bimbo, just that using that line as evidence that she is an bimbo is misleading.

Marriage was set up as a religious bonding, why do gay people want to get married?
Because plenty of gay people are religious? Shit, gay people want to be bishops, let alone get married:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2003/11/03/robinson_elevated_as_first_gay_bishop/
Yes, but most religions want nothing to do with them. I'm not saying that it's wrong for gay people to want marriage, actually the fact that they care enough about a person to want a lifelong commitment is good. I was just using the point to strengthen the argument that parental/societal influences affect people their entire lives, no matter what other choices or difference they might have.

Just to make things clear I am straight, I am not against homosexuality, but I am against homosexuals (or in fact anybody ie religious people/atheists/Gamers/Non-Gamers) chucking hissy fits over someones private views.
Um, no one entered into her house to question her--she entered a competition where I'm guessing people are judged in part on their private views. I don't know much about this pageant, but was this the only question they asked that inquired about the private views of the contestants or something where she was subjected to unequal treatment?
I haven't seen the show or a transcript so it's quite possible that every contestant was asked the same question and thus no it wasn't unfair in that regard. But this is a competition based around attractiveness and talent not what side of a very controversial argument your on. If she was marked down for her views (and I have no evidence that she was) then its stupid. If anything she should have gained points for standing by her views in a public forum, knowing that what she was going to say would generate heat for her. She didn't flame on about homosexuals needing to burn, at the same time it might have been more tactful to add on the end something like "but i like the fact two people can love one another" though she prolly would be flamed now for being condescending or something.
 

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I think a beauty pagent (even the country's biggest) should just be that. Their opinions should be as unimportant to the contest as they are in life.
 

Sphinx86

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Kiutu said:
I think a beauty pagent (even the country's biggest) should just be that. Their opinions should be as unimportant to the contest as they are in life.
Seconded