Miyamoto: New Zelda Won't be "Radically Different"

[paragon1]

My God!! Nintendo isn't making radical changes! What's next? JRPG's getting released exclusively on the 360? PS3's costing a dollar? Chocolate monsters fighting toffee-covered zombies? McDonalds going vegan? Where will the madness stop!?!

One of those [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Undiscovery] already happened. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_dragon]

I'm not disheartened by this and I'm sure I'll love this new game. But I wish Nintendo would deviate from their tried and true formulas more often, two of my favorite games are such deviations (Majora's Mask and Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island).

Ohhhh, right. Guess I'd blocked those from my memory. You can understand why, I'm sure.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Wasn't Twilight Princess without any "radical" changes compared to Ocarina of Time?

Yes... But think about it. Twilight Princess pretty much looked to be a result of the backlash against Wind Waker's style... So they gave people what they said they wanted.
(and now people complain that it isn't innovative. XD)

(removed long list of nintendo IP)

Yeah... Sure it's slowed down at times...
But Nintendo has a lot of IP that mostly goes unused. Like most companies really.

As for changing the formula of an existing IP...
Mario Sunshine was critizised for lack of innovation, but it was used to see how 'mature' mario could be made before it became a problem. (answer, not very far. Mario actually having to do plumbing for a change... And the implication of Bowser Jr. Calling peach 'mama', were amusing, but not particularly popular.)

As with all things, be careful what you wish for.

Do you have a point with all this?

And I'd argue most oif the IP's they haven't touched is because they are pretty much dead concepts, that wouldn't work these days. To use one example, Wild Gunman, thats been relegated to the status of mini-game, for Call of Jaurez: Bound in Blood

Do I have a point with it? Merely that as usual, people complain about certain companies when it's quite reflective of the nature of the modern industry as a whole.

(I should know, because I've had a long-standing tradition of bad-mouthing Microsoft merely for the fact that 90% of PC's run windows. (well, OK, technically, it had to do with their rather unethical business practices, but still...))

You're correct of course, in saying that most of their older concepts wouldn't be viable anymore, which can for instance be seen in Wii Play containing a mini-game that's essentially duck hunt.

Innovation isn't high on the list of most companies' agendas. And it seems Nintendo knows it's core fans too well, since a lot of them seem to react badly to radical changes.

You want a more relevant example? Try Phantom Hourglass. The structural changes made to that game drew a lot of complaints.
Not to mention it's a follow-on to Wind Waker which already got huge complaints merely due to it's style.

But... Since repetition of the core idea is somewhat inherent in sequels...

...

Oh, you know what? This is getting repetitive.

The new zelda game will be much like the older ones.
And it'll be good by virtue of the fact that Nintendo pays attention to detail.
Innovative or not, it'll probably still be a well-made game.

 

[Ashbax]

You forgot to mention that during his rural life he will be doing meaningless missions for the villagers for about half an hour.

Those...villagers...they make me want to go on a killing spree.

On topic: Meh, i might buy it. I enjoyed twilight princess, it had a good sense of acheivement.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

Anyway, I don't mind. I still enjoy the games, so I'll probably pick it up, if only to use my Wii.

my thoughts exactly.
i mean if they changed things up and sent link to space... well... one can imagine. XP

 

[RTR]

Well uh-duuh!!

 

[Mackinator]

~snip~ I dunno if you could really call the Wolf thing that radically different

Why not? You go into a world of twilight which is nothing like any other Zelda game. A place where you hone your senses and jump, dig and kill stuff as a wolf in a not using a sword or any other classic Zelda tools or weapons. Sure, you can warp as a Wolf like you can Warp with the Ocarina in OoT but the similarities are few...

 

[MagnetoHydroDynamics]

In other news: Pope still Catholic; bears do shit in the woods.

No they don't. They shit in small plastic bags and throw them at cars while people are driving near their forest.

Honestly? I think that EVERY Zelda is basically... So similar, you played one, you played them all.

Yeah, except for Majoras Mask and Four Swords...

 

[Gladion]

You want a more relevant example? Try Phantom Hourglass. The structural changes made to that game drew a lot of complaints.
Not to mention it's a follow-on to Wind Waker which already got huge complaints merely due to it's style.

Okay, this just pisses me off whenever its brought up. There is such a thing as bad innovation. Dipping a Mars Bar in raw sewage is a change to it. Is it a good change? No. Were Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass good changes? No, they were gimmicky, annoying and bland. Is giving Link a train a good change? All signs point to "fuck no". Just because you mix it up, don't expect people to like it.

Just because you don't like it, don't expect everybody else to dislike it, too. Wind Waker was great, and I still want to see someone making a cartoon out of it.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

my thoughts exactly.
i mean if they changed things up and sent link to space... well... one can imagine. XP

Hmm...
They could give him a laser gun!
And send him to Mars!
To fight demons from Hell!

Man, this is totally original.

copyright that shit, ASAP!

though i must admit i'd be tempted to play this game.

 

[bushwhacker2k]

This must be a joke! Zelda games are well known for each game being radically different from eachother! I cannot believe this is happening! Now I am changing my mind about Zelda!

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

I think it was called Doom.

noooooooo! but it wasn't link! did it have the awesome music!? NO! you can still make the best game
ever max, i have faith!

 

[bushwhacker2k]

This must be a joke! Zelda games are well known for each game being radically different from eachother! I cannot believe this is happening! Now I am changing my mind about Zelda!

Too much sarcasm can be a bad thing, you know.

Lies, it cannot be! >:O

 

[Xorghul]

I might buy a wii if this game is any good

edit: after rereading the thread i came up with more ideas and decided to post them in an edit rather than a new post. I love the Zelda cames not because they are predictable but because every new one is a different world. I mean this in the sense of link to the past compared to ocarina of time. they are the same game, except the enviroment is completely different. Each game has its own little changes but overall the games have always been the same. So its a good thing that zelda is not a total change remember majoras mask?

Exactly.
Are you saying Majoras Mask was bad? Doesn't matter.
I personally prefer to see all the Zelda games as expansions, 'couse that's kind of what they are.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

noooooooo! but it wasn't link! did it have the awesome music!? NO! you can still make the best game ever max, i have faith!

Still.

Also, you have too much faith!
We talked about this.

we had a conversation about me having too much faith?? ohh, i get it. but you as an individual is quite different than america the general populace. or do you toss yourself in with the rest of the degenerates!? say it isn't so.