Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin
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Your armchair lawyer is showingSajuukKhar said:
EA is not going to spend a shitton of money on a court case that - even if successful - does not benefit them, and will more likely result in them spending even more money hiring people to re-write their EULA.
I think we need to define our terms. Is modding just gaining access to data that was already on the disc, or adding new content?
For the record, this is my ME character. There have been numerous "mods" added, such as removing the heavy weapon from her back, changing the hair to be more disgusting from fighting in a helmet, and giving herself thousands of renegade and paragon points to open up every dialogue option. Also, she has every power from every class, for shits and giggles.
I have altered the data in ways that the publishers and developers have not intended. Doing so has enhanced my enjoyment of their game. I can think of no ethical reason for me to be restricted from doing this, or punished for it.
For the record, this is my ME character. There have been numerous "mods" added, such as removing the heavy weapon from her back, changing the hair to be more disgusting from fighting in a helmet, and giving herself thousands of renegade and paragon points to open up every dialogue option. Also, she has every power from every class, for shits and giggles.
I have altered the data in ways that the publishers and developers have not intended. Doing so has enhanced my enjoyment of their game. I can think of no ethical reason for me to be restricted from doing this, or punished for it.
I beleive from the way games are sold nowerdays its more Akin To you Renting a lawnmower and then replacing the blades on it to non-sanctioned ones (which may or may not be better) which naturally they wouldnt like and they would want you to return the lawnmower (and other rented items) back to them and likely not want to provide you a renting service anymore.Angry Juju said:
I never said they would.Kahunaburger said:Your armchair lawyer is showing
EA is not going to spend a shitton of money on a court case that - even if successful - does not benefit them, and will more likely result in them spending even more money hiring people to re-write their EULA.
Your word-warping is showing
Is it really fair to talk about betrayal of trust on the customers end with the way publishers currently treat gamers?Karutomaru said:
Modding and hacking has been an integral part of everything computers since the Apple 2 (despite the different direction Apple went in afterward). What gives EA the right to tell you how to use a product that you have bought and paid for? If you buy a car is it a "betrayal of trust" if you drive it on a gravel freeway? If you buy microsoft word are you somehow screwing microsoft if you install and use PDF converter[footnote]A side program that allows you to print to pdf[/footnote] or endnote[footnote]software for referencing more easily[/footnote]? It's completely intolerable for a publisher to restrict your usage of a service or product you have paid for unless it: Needs to be returned to them, is shared with other people or is being claimed as faulty (you can't modify something then reasonably claim it's faulty).
You're flat out wrong. EA are the publisher of Mass Effect and they set the rules. Bioware only make the game. The reason that neither Valve nor EA can tell you what to do with Skyrim is because it's published by Zenimax. Would it be overly pretentious of me to use your facepalm image to demonstrate my frustration at your unimaginable ignorance of what the role of a Publisher is compared to a Developer?SajuukKhar said:................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.
Origin much like Steam doesn't set the rules for what developers allow in their own games. they just enforce the rules the developers make for thier own games, and have an overall DONT CHEAT/HACK in games rules.
Neither Valve nor EA could tell Bethesda to allow modding or get rid of it.
/facepalm
If you truly believe a developer has never told their publisher to fuck off because they wanted to do something different then you are naive.Dys said:
Just don't mod? I mean I know some people like to do it, but sometimes you gotta deal with the fact what you get is what you get. I don't mean to sound sarcastic but if you gotta mod games to make them fun then you're going to learn to live with disappointment. either do it and get banned or just take it for they way it was intended
Saw that coming a mile away. Origin has banned people for using the wrong language on forums, I doubt they will think twice about modding their games. It all comes down to money...If you get a mod for extra content you might not buy their DLC and we can't have that happen can we?
The worst part is that when you get an Origin ban, that includes locking your games from you...the games you paid for, legally owning the rights to. I'd totally buy ME3 if I could get it on Steam, or at the very least buy it from a store and not be required to use Origin to play it. I'll be damned if I give those crooks at EA my credit card info.
What pisses me off currently is that I'm playing ME2 and I can't buy the DLC on Steam...I couldn't even get a special edition with all DLC included. EA wants me to pay for it on their own special little network (which is why they no longer are using Steam). The best part? Cerberus network never connects! So even if I wanted to buy the DLC from them I wouldnt be able to.
The worst part is that when you get an Origin ban, that includes locking your games from you...the games you paid for, legally owning the rights to. I'd totally buy ME3 if I could get it on Steam, or at the very least buy it from a store and not be required to use Origin to play it. I'll be damned if I give those crooks at EA my credit card info.
What pisses me off currently is that I'm playing ME2 and I can't buy the DLC on Steam...I couldn't even get a special edition with all DLC included. EA wants me to pay for it on their own special little network (which is why they no longer are using Steam). The best part? Cerberus network never connects! So even if I wanted to buy the DLC from them I wouldnt be able to.
Over something as trivial as this?Dys said:
Over an issue that EA apparently really doesn't care about because they have let other games have mods?
Yes, or are you just asking stupid questions because EA is the current "hate target"?
If they downloaded it then I would agree with you, but if it was a physical copy activated on Origin, then this is ludicrous.SajuukKhar said:
At the end of the day we don't know enough information to make such judgements.
So digital copies are supposed to get different treatment then physical ones?CardinalPiggles said:
I would love to know why.
No matter if you buy it online or physically you are still buying the same license.
If they stipulate you cannot modify any part of the game code beyond what they describe/permit or if that code causes behavior that has been forbidden, you CAN be prosecuted.Kahunaburger said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glider_%28bot%29
This case establishes the precedent that gamers do not "own" their games at all, for anyone still clinging to that claim (for the United States anyway). This is also why Publishers are racing towards games as services, to sidestep that whole "Contract of Adhesion" problem they encounter when selling games as if they were regular products ("Off the shelf").
It makes enforcing their EULAs nearly impossible in court, beyond normal laws.
Expect that to change in the next console cycle, if there is one.
As a personal aside: The age of Eternal Rentals is virtually here, I'm sorry to say.
So if you don't want to get jacked by abusive publishers and their increasingly dictatorial policies, then don't support them.
Lately, I see a growing number of people talk about how principle is meaningless/impractical; or how they blindly throw around words like "entitlement", while prices continue to rise, and the customer continues to lose more and more securities/rights.
Yet, in reality, adhering to principles and not supporting those who want to force changes you don't need nor want, is the ONLY practical petition for change you have.
So...if I bought a Toyota truck and decided to put seat covers on the seats, Toyota could claim "foul play" and take the truck from me?SajuukKhar said:
Sorry, but if you buy a piece of software, you are legally allowed to modify the code on your client side machine. So long as you are not modifying the code stored on or being sent to their servers, they technically have no right to stop you.
So in effect:
Texture packs, modded character models, etc. Perfectly legal.
Aim-bots and other exploits in an online game. Legal unless otherwise stated by the host company who owns the servers.
Well if the contract you signed with wherever you got the truck said you could not modify the seats in any way and you did then yes then yes they could take the truck away from you.Vigormortis said:
Sorry but legally you can only modify the code, which included texture packs, as long as the owners of the license you purchased said you could.