Modern Gamers Unimpressed by Miyamoto

[Jamash]

Sorry, but modern gamers are idiots then. This is the one the guys who has helped gaming become as big at it has today, being involved in some of the biggest franchises of all time - which include Mario, Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin and the "Wii" series of games. And one of the people he mentored (Satoshi Tajiri) went on to create Pokemon. He also made the Metroid Prime series as well after the original creator died.

Feel free to say that he may not be as innovative as he used to be but as for being unimpressed with him? That's just wrong in my opinion

I've been gaming since 1983, but have never owned a Nintendo console or played a Nintendo game.

For all of his apparent wonders, none of Miyamoto's work has had any noticeable impression on my gaming life.

I am literally unimpressed by Miyamoto.

Does that mean I'm an idiot just because I haven't played any Nintendo games and don't have fond memories of franchises I haven't experienced?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Oh ok, so when you said 'modern gamers unimpressed by Miyamoto' you actually meant 'I don't like Miyamoto and I now represent all modern gamers because of reasons'. Just so we're clear ^_^

Wow. A /thread post within the first two response. Nice!

OT: Miyamoto is still very famous, and anything he puts out sells like hotcakes. I am fairly certain he is still relevant...

Besides, what did you do to you to deserve such ire? Kill your cat and eat it's corpse? You disagree with some of his opinions. Get over youself.

 

[Lunar Templar]

lol

so ... you speaking solely for your self then?

good to know

 

[Woodsey]

Title should read "modern gamers easily offended by legitimate criticism from people who probably know what they're talking about."

He was hardly voicing an opinion on a specialist subject.

OT: I've never understood the Nintendo fascination. If you want to know what creative redundancy looks like, then they're it.

It's all so fucking vapid.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Sorry, but modern gamers are idiots then. This is the one the guys who has helped gaming become as big at it has today, being involved in some of the biggest franchises of all time - which include Mario, Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin and the "Wii" series of games. And one of the people he mentored (Satoshi Tajiri) went on to create Pokemon. He also made the Metroid Prime series as well after the original creator died.

Feel free to say that he may not be as innovative as he used to be but as for being unimpressed with him? That's just wrong in my opinion

I've been gaming since 1983, but have never owned a Nintendo console or played a Nintendo game.

For all of his apparent wonders, none of Miyamoto's work has had any noticeable impression on my gaming life.

I am literally unimpressed by Miyamoto.

Does that mean I'm an idiot just because I haven't played any Nintendo games and don't have fond memories of franchises I haven't experienced?

That depends, I suppose. Do you recognise (even if you haven't played any of his work) that he has definitely had an impact on video gaming in his 20 years of work and has helped it to what it has become today? Because if you don't, then yes I would. Well, perhaps idiot isn't the right word, ignorant maybe.

 

[The White Hunter]

don't fix what ain't broke

i could say the same for cod or transformers but you'll still hate it

I don't like COD or Transformers, but sales numbers and box office records have proven they still make a lot of money and they continue to make tons of money, so they stick to doing what they have done before.

They may not be very good, but they make tons of money, exactly what they are made to do. Until they start losing money, they won't change.

If I may throw my hat into this ring, I must say that were I in charge of either franchise you bet your ass I'd keep raking in giant profits from it through small iterative imporvement than huge overhalls.

I.e. I may listen to fan feed-back on perks in call of duty and rework them in the next game, but I'm sure as heck not gonna make it some kind of open world RPG full of questing and open choice and piss my giant money fountain down the drain.

That all said, I like Miyamoto, I like alot of his games. Super Mario Galaxy 2 was awesome in my opinion, it was very enjoyable, well designed, and pretty platformy nourishment in a world overburdened by mediocre shooters trying to claim the throne of actually making profit.

I also enjoy COD. But that's just me, likers gonna like.

Can't we all just get along? No?...

 

[Woodsey]

Sorry, but modern gamers are idiots then. This is the one the guys who has helped gaming become as big at it has today, being involved in some of the biggest franchises of all time - which include Mario, Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin and the "Wii" series of games. And one of the people he mentored (Satoshi Tajiri) went on to create Pokemon. He also made the Metroid Prime series as well after the original creator died.

Feel free to say that he may not be as innovative as he used to be but as for being unimpressed with him? That's just wrong in my opinion

I've been gaming since 1983, but have never owned a Nintendo console or played a Nintendo game.

For all of his apparent wonders, none of Miyamoto's work has had any noticeable impression on my gaming life.

I am literally unimpressed by Miyamoto.

Does that mean I'm an idiot just because I haven't played any Nintendo games and don't have fond memories of franchises I haven't experienced?

That depends, I suppose. Do you recognise (even if you haven't played any of his work) that he has definitely had an impact on video gaming in his 20 years of work and has helped it to what it has become today? Because if you don't, then yes I would. Well, perhaps idiot isn't the right word, ignorant maybe.

That depends on what you mean by influential. Their body of work is so large that I think they give the rather deceptive impression that they've been of massive influence, when most of it's self-influential.

 

[wooty]

Hm, I'd still rather play anything, anything "rehashed" by Miyamoto.than most of.the current modern stuff on the market.

Zelda will always rule supreme.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Sorry, but modern gamers are idiots then. This is the one the guys who has helped gaming become as big at it has today, being involved in some of the biggest franchises of all time - which include Mario, Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin and the "Wii" series of games. And one of the people he mentored (Satoshi Tajiri) went on to create Pokemon. He also made the Metroid Prime series as well after the original creator died.

Feel free to say that he may not be as innovative as he used to be but as for being unimpressed with him? That's just wrong in my opinion

I've been gaming since 1983, but have never owned a Nintendo console or played a Nintendo game.

For all of his apparent wonders, none of Miyamoto's work has had any noticeable impression on my gaming life.

I am literally unimpressed by Miyamoto.

Does that mean I'm an idiot just because I haven't played any Nintendo games and don't have fond memories of franchises I haven't experienced?

That depends, I suppose. Do you recognise (even if you haven't played any of his work) that he has definitely had an impact on video gaming in his 20 years of work and has helped it to what it has become today? Because if you don't, then yes I would. Well, perhaps idiot isn't the right word, ignorant maybe.

That depends on what you mean by influential. Their body of work is so large that I think they give the rather deceptive impression that they've been of massive influence, when most of it's self-influential.

I would actually agree with that. Most of their stuff is self-influential, but I didn't say influential in either of my posts =P

All I'm trying to say (although it is similar) is that Miyamoto has had a big impact on gaming with huge franchises like the ones I've mentioned (Mario, LoZ etc) and that people that don't see that are rather ignorant.

 

[malestrithe]

Honestly, I don't see any reason to get worked up with this one. Miyamoto has an opinion about the state of gaming today. And quite frankly, I don't really care about it. Yeah, he has a problem with endless CoD games, but there is nothing wrong with the games themselves. The games are fine. Not really my tastes, but they are fine games.

They are nothing more than a symptom of a bigger problem. We live in an age that beats the juice out of a franchise until any interest is long past. Guitar Hero was the first one of these, with 16 different "hero" games released. Activision killed that concept so dead that some cool variants like Rocksmith has little interest.

Same with endless Call of Duty games, and Battlefield and other games like that. Do we really need one CoD game released every 11 months?

 

[Vivi22]

I think he means technological innovation. As in, CoD is necessarily going to keep changing and getting better as access to new technology becomes more mainstream.

I don't think that's what he meant at all, but even if it was, COD has been using the exact same engine with only the most minor tweaks since COD4 at least. Maybe longer, but I'm not as familiar with the older games. It's tech is years behind the cutting edge in the industry at this point.

As to the discussion of Miyamoto, I completely agree that he's been coasting on a wave of nostalgia for years. I don't want to take anything away from what that man did for modern gaming and game design. He not only invented more genres than other developers can shake a stick at, he also made sure that when he did come up with something new he did it right. But he's spent the last decade at least riding that wave of success with no progress to show for it. In fact, many of the rehashes of his most successful and loved games take some very major steps backwards in terms of quality and good design from their predecessors. Which is absolutely not to say that he perfected these the first time around and there's nothing to be improved. It's that he and the people at Nintendo working on his classic franchises stopped having the necessary spark of creativity to improve on their work, or to see how others have improved on it and build from there, years ago.

 

[Total LOLige]

I don't know who Miyamoto is am I a bad person?

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Japanese developers are still relevant? What?

 

[Iwata]

Title should read "modern gamers easily offended by legitimate criticism from people who probably know what they're talking about."

He was hardly voicing an opinion on a specialist subject.

OT: I've never understood the Nintendo fascination. If you want to know what creative redundancy looks like, then they're it.

It's all so fucking vapid.

A round of applause for this man!

 

[kortin]

Hah, if Zelda rules supreme something like the Witcher must be the fucking emperor of the multiverse. If you can't tell I've never found a Nintendo game worth playing.

That sounds more like a problem on your end, not Nintendo's. I can find a game from most devs that is worth playing, no matter how much I don't like some of them.

Kortin Unimpressed by OP:
OP shows some sort of god complex, likely brought on by the thought that he could sum up every modern gamer's thoughts on Miyamoto. This just in, he can't.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Pretty lazy OP. I had to work out from reading other comments that he was referring to a recent interview with the man on the Guardian's website.

I don't really care if the man loves "modern games" whatever they are since he didn't say which games he is thinking of. I agree that many new games are pretty boring.

Cut and pasting some Yahtzee Nintendo bashing rant knowing that it will probably spark off a flame war is also pretty lazy.

tldr: op is lazy and boring and so are "modern games."

 

[pure.Wasted]

Honestly, I don't see any reason to get worked up with this one. Miyamoto has an opinion about the state of gaming today. And quite frankly, I don't really care about it. Yeah, he has a problem with endless CoD games, but there is nothing wrong with the games themselves. The games are fine. Not really my tastes, but they are fine games.

They are nothing more than a symptom of a bigger problem. We live in an age that beats the juice out of a franchise until any interest is long past. Guitar Hero was the first one of these, with 16 different "hero" games released. Activision killed that concept so dead that some cool variants like Rocksmith has little interest.

Same with endless Call of Duty games, and Battlefield and other games like that. Do we really need one CoD game released every 11 months?

The question is if this isn't simply a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that he mentored Satoshi Tajiri who went on to create Pokemon. Pokemon's been doing "that Activision thing" since 1996. They make Activision look like newbies. Literally their first outing was creating three nearly identical games! And although the expressed aim was for the "Reds to trade with the Blues," we all know how many Reds ended up convincing their parents to just buy the Blues, too. Cha-ching. Then Yellow came out, which featured fewer improvements than is typical for a CoD title. Then Gold and Silver, which again did the Red/Blue thing, and were basically the equivalent of CoD3 jumping to CoD4. In some ways more changed (more new Pokemon than new guns), in other ways less changed (completely new engine for CoD4, same old sprites for Pokemon). And so on and so forth; it's been almost 20 years and the games have evolved less than CoD in half that time.

And I'm far from a fan of CoD. I'm not holding it up as some great thing that nothing else can surpass. I'm saying Pokemon, and Nintendo in general, is that stale that it makes CoD's iterations look revolutionary by comparison. Nintendo would have been perfectly happy if we'd never graduated from the Gameboy or the SNES. To them, "fun" is still the most important thing a game can be. Just look at companies' PR on a "real gamer" site like this one. When Nintendo focuses on nothing but immediate entertainment, it's transcendentally good, the greatest thing a game can be. When Blizzard does it, it's unoriginal, ludite, repetitive, greedy.

And I'm not holding Blizzard up on a pedestal, either. I'd say their stuff is unoriginal, ludite, and repetitive... and then say the same thing right back at Nintendo.