Modern Music: Why I hate it

[Marbas]

like rap (ex: T.I.) and honestly, I see no need to explain why I like the music I do. If you don't like it, fine, but quit being a hater and a fanboy and just listen to what you like.

Sometimes I enjoy trying to bait people into attacking Noise. Most of the time it's so obvious they have no idea what they're talking about and it is hilarious. I find when people attack an entire genre or "modern music" they're just trying to inflate themselves or they don't understand what they're listening too.

So what you're saying is only SOME people can make noise? And that some noise is better than other noise?

Well, at least we agree on one thing.

You ARE familiar with John Cage, yes? And the piece I referenced?

Good Noise, yes. It requires a special type of ear and knowledge of what makes a Noise track interesting. The subculture has standards and will reject things it considers bad, like most of Wolf Eyes' work, as I mentioned earlier. While still valuing the band's more polished albums and collaborations. A lot of Noise bands care nothing about their intellectual foundation and only focus on obtaining an immediate emotional response from the listener. C.C.C.C for example explicitly rejected Noise's conceptual foundation and only cared about emotional impact.

And yes, I'm quite familiar with that piece and John Cage.

Just because it doesn't follow standards you understand doesn't invalidate it. Music that's based around dissonance and "unpleasantness" has been around since the late 1800's IE Luigi Russolo and possibly earlier. There's also tracks in the subculture that conform to traditional notions of beauty, take for example the Venice album by Christian Fennesz or Their Subtle Purpose by Circular Ruins.

 

[forever saturday]

i do honestly think that the sixties and seventies were the golden age of music. so basically, when we started seeing metal and acid rock, with the best being black sabbath and the jimi hendrix experience. some good stuff came from the eighties and ninties,and there is still some good stuff in the current generation, though that might be because my sister plays a lot of bands like fall out boy and hearing them so much makes them start to sound not that bad. but yeah, with rap and hip hop and all that, this is definitely the shitty age of music.

i actually do write some music in my free time, because im teaching myself to play guitar and hope to be in a band some day (probably college) and most of the stuff i write is riff based metal, in fact it sounds like the same era as the above mentioned black sabbath, if not something they would have actually had (though i cant guarantee im as good as them, though i do like the stuff i have).

anyway, bands i like are black sabbath (again), R.E.M, AC/DC, Metallica, iron maiden, led zeppelin, the jimi hendrix experience, cream, pink floyd, bon jovi... thats all i can think of right now.

 

[weaselmgsfan]

Okay, I know we're living in messed up times right now, but what's up with music? Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance, rap, pop, or any mix of them? What happened to good music? Modern music doesn't have that "feel" when I listen to it. The moment any Lady Gaga or Jonas brothers or any form of rap comes onto the radio, I immediately switch to another station. Older music, like Led Zepplin, or even some '90s music comes on, I turn up the volume. What happened?

Yes some does but its relatively hard to find.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Popular music hasn't really changed much since the 90's, just that there are more rappers and whiny boys now than earlier.

Thats why I've been listening to music from Northern Europe!
Oh, and They are possibly more insane than the Japanese when it comes to music videos. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGUFfa2iDHg]
OK, so that's not exactly their best song, but its as amusing as Hell to watch.

...So trippy. I think I got high just from watching that.

Seriously though, the most modern I'm willing to get with my music is U2.

 

[JRCB]

I like rap (ex: T.I.) and honestly, I see no need to explain why I like the music I do. If you don't like it, fine, but quit being a hater and a fanboy and just listen to what you like. It's this self rightous feeling that everyone seems to have in their opinion of oldies that makes them think their choice is better, and it sickens me. Listen, I like Billy Joel just as much as the next guy, but I'll change the track if something, I think is, better is on.

I respect your opinion. I admit that I may be a little biased about rap, but have you listened to other music? It's either dance music, or a song about love. By the way, this is all coming from a teen.

 

[OuroborosChoked]

So what you're saying is only SOME people can make noise? And that some noise is better than other noise?

Well, at least we agree on one thing.

You ARE familiar with John Cage, yes? And the piece I referenced?

Good Noise, yes. It requires a special type of ear and knowledge of what makes a Noise track interesting. The subculture has standards and will reject things it considers bad, like most of Wolf Eyes' work, as I mentioned earlier. While still valuing the band's more polished albums. A lot of Noise bands care nothing about their intellectual foundation and only focus on obtaining an immediate emotional response from the listener. C.C.C.C for example explicitly rejected Noise's conceptual foundation and only cared about emotional impact.

And yes, I'm quite familiar with that piece and John Cage.

Just because it doesn't follow standards you understand doesn't invalidate it. Music that's based around dissonance and "unpleasantness" has been around since the late 1800's IE Luigi Russolo and possibly earlier. There's also tracks in the subculture that conform to traditional notions of beauty, take for example the Venice album by Christian Fennesz or Their Subtle Purpose by Circular Ruins.

I think you may misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't deny that there can be beauty in chaos or that there is a certain liberation in utter randomness and nonsense... or even that there can be a certain style to these elements.

What I am saying is that it's not music. Music has form, patterns, order, and many other elements that stem from these things (rhythm, melody, etc.). Noise, therefore, is the antithesis of music. It is chaotic. Once you step into the field of chaos, you can no more discriminate one work of "noise" from, say, a crowded downtown street with lots of construction on a hot afternoon. There is no difference.

In fact, one might even argue that the organic sounds of that downtown street are more akin to a symphony than that same work of noise made by a solo artist: the downtown street noise being a synthesis of wills being manifest simultaneously which is both representative and an example of life itself.

 

[Marbas]

So what you're saying is only SOME people can make noise? And that some noise is better than other noise?

Well, at least we agree on one thing.

You ARE familiar with John Cage, yes? And the piece I referenced?

Good Noise, yes. It requires a special type of ear and knowledge of what makes a Noise track interesting. The subculture has standards and will reject things it considers bad, like most of Wolf Eyes' work, as I mentioned earlier. While still valuing the band's more polished albums. A lot of Noise bands care nothing about their intellectual foundation and only focus on obtaining an immediate emotional response from the listener. C.C.C.C for example explicitly rejected Noise's conceptual foundation and only cared about emotional impact.

And yes, I'm quite familiar with that piece and John Cage.

Just because it doesn't follow standards you understand doesn't invalidate it. Music that's based around dissonance and "unpleasantness" has been around since the late 1800's IE Luigi Russolo and possibly earlier. There's also tracks in the subculture that conform to traditional notions of beauty, take for example the Venice album by Christian Fennesz or Their Subtle Purpose by Circular Ruins.

I think you may misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't deny that there can be beauty in chaos or that there is a certain liberation in utter randomness and nonsense... or even that there can be a certain style to these elements.

What I am saying is that it's not music. Music has form, patterns, order, and many other elements that stem from these things (rhythm, melody, etc.). Noise, therefore, is the antithesis of music. It is chaotic. Once you step into the field of chaos, you can no more discriminate one work of "noise" from, say, a crowded downtown street with lots of construction on a hot afternoon. There is no difference.

You say that after referencing 4'33? There's something wrong with you.


And you're wrong actually, that's what I've been saying. People who listen to the genre regularly are capable of distinguishing between songs and artists. It's quite easy to distinguish between say, a Noise Track and a crowded street. Noise, the genre I'm talking about, is not accidental art. Sure, it can be improvised, and several artists like C Spencer Yeh love improvised performances, but it can also be carefully composed and tailored. Maybe you'd be more comfortable if I called it Industrial?

 

[mokes310]

...Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance...

You do realize that dance music has been around for longer than you've been alive, right?

 

[irongrip]

Listen to jazz and funk and stop bitching.
Also try some grunge while you're at it!

 

[JRCB]

...Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance...

You do realize that dance music has been around for longer than you've been alive, right?

By dance music, I meant MODERN dance music. Like Lady Gaga or some other crap.

 

[OuroborosChoked]

So what you're saying is only SOME people can make noise? And that some noise is better than other noise?

Well, at least we agree on one thing.

You ARE familiar with John Cage, yes? And the piece I referenced?

Good Noise, yes. It requires a special type of ear and knowledge of what makes a Noise track interesting. The subculture has standards and will reject things it considers bad, like most of Wolf Eyes' work, as I mentioned earlier. While still valuing the band's more polished albums. A lot of Noise bands care nothing about their intellectual foundation and only focus on obtaining an immediate emotional response from the listener. C.C.C.C for example explicitly rejected Noise's conceptual foundation and only cared about emotional impact.

And yes, I'm quite familiar with that piece and John Cage.

Just because it doesn't follow standards you understand doesn't invalidate it. Music that's based around dissonance and "unpleasantness" has been around since the late 1800's IE Luigi Russolo and possibly earlier. There's also tracks in the subculture that conform to traditional notions of beauty, take for example the Venice album by Christian Fennesz or Their Subtle Purpose by Circular Ruins.

I think you may misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't deny that there can be beauty in chaos or that there is a certain liberation in utter randomness and nonsense... or even that there can be a certain style to these elements.

What I am saying is that it's not music. Music has form, patterns, order, and many other elements that stem from these things (rhythm, melody, etc.). Noise, therefore, is the antithesis of music. It is chaotic. Once you step into the field of chaos, you can no more discriminate one work of "noise" from, say, a crowded downtown street with lots of construction on a hot afternoon. There is no difference.

You say that after referencing 4'33?

There's something wrong with you.

Let me ask you this, then: does it take talent to perform 4'33?

This is perhaps the irony of the piece: you, the symphony member, practice perhaps your whole life to attain world-class talent... and now you're sitting... and not playing a single note... for 4'33.

Before you say it, yes, I understand that the audience is more the symphony in this case, but that only makes it more ironic.

 

[Marbas]

Let me ask you this, then: does it take talent to perform 4'33?

No, but you ARE NOT LISTENING. It takes talent and practice to make good Noise. That's why the comparison is moot.

Reposted from edit as it's still relevant:

People who listen to the genre regularly are capable of distinguishing between songs and artists. It's quite easy to distinguish between say, a Noise Track and a crowded street. Noise, the genre I'm talking about, is not accidental art. Sure, it can be improvised, and several artists like C Spencer Yeh love improvised performances, but it can also be carefully composed and tailored. Maybe you'd be more comfortable if I called it Industrial?

 

[mokes310]

...Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance...

You do realize that dance music has been around for longer than you've been alive, right?

By dance music, I meant MODERN dance music. Like Lady Gaga or some other crap.

I've been in the EDM scene just about as long as you've been alive, so trust me when I say, that's not dance, it's pop, big, big difference.

 

[ioxles]

Lonely Drifter Karen.

The best modern artist I've heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy23oacTVDQ

Lonely Drifter Karen is a musical project founded by the Austrian singer Tanja Frinta in 2003. The music combines folk, Dark Cabaret and pop with the influence of '40s and '50s musicals, and definite European roots. Her co-musicians are pianist and producer Marc Melià Sobrevias from Spain and Italian Giorgio Fausto Menossi on drums and percussions. -wikipedia

Listen to her songs and you'll agree, especially Professor Dragon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgGioOhRQX4

 

[|Strick|]

I enjoy trance and techno, simply because there is no lyrics. The melody is all I really care about in a song, a message or story is always second.

 

[JRCB]

...Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance...

You do realize that dance music has been around for longer than you've been alive, right?

By dance music, I meant MODERN dance music. Like Lady Gaga or some other crap.

I've been in the EDM scene just about as long as you've been alive, so trust me when I say, that's not dance, it's pop, big, big difference.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[LivingInStereo]

Here is an artist I'm quite fond of. He is modern, and you're going to hate him. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAw0-lx1gcU]

That's the same sound my mike made in Rock Band when it broke. Seriously

 

[mokes310]

...Have you noticed how we have moved away from some genres only to replace them with dance...

You do realize that dance music has been around for longer than you've been alive, right?

By dance music, I meant MODERN dance music. Like Lady Gaga or some other crap.

I've been in the EDM scene just about as long as you've been alive, so trust me when I say, that's not dance, it's pop, big, big difference.

Thanks for clarifying.

You're welcome, I'm happy to!

 

[OuroborosChoked]

Let me ask you this, then: does it take talent to perform 4'33?

No, but you ARE NOT LISTENING. It takes talent and practice to make good Noise. That's why the comparison is moot.

Reposted from edit as it's still relevant:

People who listen to the genre regularly are capable of distinguishing between songs and artists. It's quite easy to distinguish between say, a Noise Track and a crowded street. Noise, the genre I'm talking about, is not accidental art. Sure, it can be improvised, and several artists like C Spencer Yeh love improvised performances, but it can also be carefully composed and tailored. Maybe you'd be more comfortable if I called it Industrial?

Better examples might be more helpful.

In my experience, Noise is represented by groups like: Negativland, Nurse With Wound, Coil, Pancreatic Aardvarks, John Zorn, Einstürzende Neubauten, Current 93, NON, Throbbing Gristle, and Psychic TV. The only really "industrial" of those groups might be Einstürzende Neubauten or Nurse With Wound, and that's only on some tracks. Your understanding of noise is different maybe?