Money: The worst idea since murder.
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Alright, no money.. so what are my bosses going to be paying me, then? There's always the option of you moving out the the mountains, and living off the land, if you don't like it. Good luck trying to buy an HDTV, though.
well it depends were you work. if money doesn't exist then that means most office jobs as well as people in marketing will be obsolete.chronobreak said:
Creating a utopia just wouldn't work though, some small group will be unhappy. Some people may consider our contries utopia's and we see it as shit. Not everyone is going to be happy so they will try and change how the country works to make them happier, this will unbalence the country and other people will be unhappycaptainwillies said:
A utopia does not exist, not for everyone
Also it just seems some days people do not understand how the world works
I subject you to my thread to cheer you upxmetatr0nx said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.131114#2889518
Hope that helps
Maybe it's because society has decided that the man who sits behind a desk all day provides a greater service to society as a whole than the guy who lugs boxes. To keep with the box analogy, the person who tells the box luggers where to put the boxes, decides where the boxes need to go, how best to ship those boxes to gain the most profit and provide the most people with goods, in my opinion deserves more money than the guy lugging the boxes. All people are created equal, in that they all have the equal opportunity to succeed. If you're fine lugging boxes then you'll get paid as such, if you want to accept more responsibility and decide what the box lugger needs to do and where the boxes need to be sent then you can, and you'll be compensated for doing so. If you could get paid the same for pumping gas or being a brain surgeon, most people will gravitate towards the easier profession. Money is an amazing motivator, and should not be taken away from people that work for it.Pifflestick said:
Probably because what is civilised to one is not civilised to another. It is a totally subjective term, but the people who think they are more civilised than others are more likely to use the term to instill a sense of superiority in themselves.SharPhoe said:
Can you elaborate on that? No one is going to be able to give you an answer if you don't clearly explain what you think the problem is.hvitulf said:
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Oh that. Except that we would have to pretty dramatically scale back the standard of living in first world countries.captainwillies said:
If every single person in the world had the average standard of living of America, we would require 8 planets worth of resources. (This applies to all first world countries, America was just the one used in the study).
That philosophy is fundamentally flawed simply because the Earth isn't abundant with plentiful resources. The only reason technology has advanced as far as it has with the speed that it has is that a much greater amount of resources has been focused on a much smaller amount of people, and they have applied those resources to improve their own standard of living through research and development.
At one point in time this would have been a viable option, but with the current population (and don't forget that it is constantly rising), it is quite frankly impossible to have an abrupt change to a resource economy without abandoning the majority of technological comforts that everyone here is so accustomed to. (If you're on the Escapist, you have internet access, which means you're used to the kind of things I'm talking about).
Is it fair? No.
Does it work? Hell yes.
Worked fine on the stone age without money you know. ; )notabadger said:
I agree somewhat with the OP here. Money is supposed to be a mean to value the worth of efforts of individuals in a society. Basically a butcher who slaughter his own animals and sell meat, will be rewarded with money from the meat sold which he can exchange for other goods and services in that society. He's has provided the people with means to get meat (food), therefor he is then compensated with means to exchange his tokens/money for other services or goods he might require. Quid Pro Quo, but on a larger scale.
The problem with today is the fact that people can amass huge amounts of money without actually contributing to society. Like with gambling for instance. A Poker player hasn't done anything beneficial to the rest of society through winning a few poker games, he has just taken advantage over the fact that individual people are allowed to be the caretakers of the value tokens which can be exchanged for goods and services.
Quite frankly, in a society that use money, gambling is a form of stealing. Perhaps not stealing from the specific person who lost the money, but rather a form of stealing from the entire society who work for a living rather than play games and amass wealthy by doing nothing at all productive.
Of course, gambling is just one example of many. But there are several unadressed problems with the monetary system. Problems that could be solved by the unification of all countries in the world and the abolition of monetary trade between them.
the world spin on an "axis" around the sun. however the people on the surface do some strange and illogical things.The Rockerfly said:
if a Dystopia is possible then a utopia is possible. yes a utopia is impossible inside of captialism and some even say in the monertary-system, thats why people think of alternative ideas's such as the "resource based economy".
http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy
yes i know how the world works, i know how humans work, i know how money works but is this it? are we the best we can be? we created money, money has no value "we" give it value.
I think the OP's criticism is misplaced. The problem is not that money as a concept is outdated-- currency was a BIG advance. Try playing Civilization without developing it-- you'll lose.
However, our current fiat system where banks create credit, then charge you interest for using it, has made the world a bit of a harsh place.
So if a bank lent you a hundred dollars, and you had to pay back 110, the problem is that the hundred dollars never "existed" in the first place. They just typed "100" in your account. So if the 100 dollars never existed, where the hell does the 10 dollars come from? Theres more debt then money, and thats my problem with today's monetary system. Foreclosure is inevitable if less money exists than debt. Its a numerical impossibility for everyone to make it.
However, our current fiat system where banks create credit, then charge you interest for using it, has made the world a bit of a harsh place.
So if a bank lent you a hundred dollars, and you had to pay back 110, the problem is that the hundred dollars never "existed" in the first place. They just typed "100" in your account. So if the 100 dollars never existed, where the hell does the 10 dollars come from? Theres more debt then money, and thats my problem with today's monetary system. Foreclosure is inevitable if less money exists than debt. Its a numerical impossibility for everyone to make it.
i would say its more like its forcefully holding us down insteas of slowing us. ever seen the documentory "who killed the electric car"?Hexenwolf said:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/
All Men are not equal, there are people that are just better, you've seen them, you work with them, they're smarter, more athletic, wiser, better looking, stronger immune system, and have higher motivation. If you don't believe me then you surely haven't attended a public school since, oh around the Black plague.Vuljatar said:
All Men should be given the same opportunities. Equality shouldn't be (it is) about making sure everybody is represented everywhere. It should be about everybody being able to get represented, if they are the better of another Man.
Maybe, maybe not. We sure as hell aren't civilized that's for sure. But that's off topic, so whatever.SharPhoe said:
this one time i was browsing 4chan and i found a picture of a guy "fucking the corpse of a dead girl in a bath tub filled with maggots and there was shit everywhere". humans are fucked up.SharPhoe said:
As a matter of fact I have, and am in fact a great believer in the philosophies presented therein. However, I would not say that a monetary system in and of itself cause any of the problems presented in that movie. I would say that there is nothing wrong with the system, that was caused by corruption, which is not inherent to the monetary system but rather a result of weak-willed short sighted people coupled with insufficient government regulation. I support a monetary system, but I do not support big business. The rights of the consumer, and the general population should always take precedence.captainwillies said: