Monkey and Bear race; Monkey wins, Bear eats Monkey

[Private Custard]

How is training an animal to perform a trick cruel?

It's in China and involves animals. You can be pretty fucking certain it involved cruelty!

 

[Berithil]

Ok, let me get this out of the way. Yes, this animal cruelty. No, I do not condone it in anyway whatsoever.

That said, the whole thing is so surreal and out-there, I can't help but laugh. Yes, I'm a horrible person. I know. But seriously, you put those two animals on bikes and make them race, what do you think was going to happen?

That bear is one sore loser.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

In a boxing/martial arts match, how do you determine the winner?

No, wait, stop, not gonna keep this up.
Check the post below yours. I was trying to represent the arguments being made by some people here in a way that would maybe make them realise how wrong it is.
I won't deny I probably took it a bit far, and as stated in my last post, I'm not sure if I was successful or if rather I accidentally made someone legitimately think positively of legalised dog fighting.

I don't blame you for thinking I was serious, that was the whole point.

I was actually gonna argue that legalizing dog fighting wouldn't change the people involved because dog fighting is generally viewed as a disgusting past time by anyone but the cretins involved in it. It becomes an issue of whether it's inherently bad or if it's bad only because the law says we shouldn't do it (like weed).

I was under the impression you were just beating their arguments, but after keeping it up so long i started worrying it might've only been wishful thinking. Thanks for coming through, random stranger on the internet!

OT: I imagine this is a lot like making a cow race a piranha (in water). And the only thing i could think when they started was that "sure the monkey could do this just fine, but how many times did they beat that bear to make this possible".

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

I don't really see the funny part in animal cruelty. If you laughed at this, you're basically a ****.

I kinda agree with this notion but i found it... i dont really know the right word. Lets just say fucking surreal. Like this is something thats so clichely BIZARRE that watching it happen would be like watching a rabbit perform bugs bunny shenanigans in real life vs a real hunter. Without the context of the cruelty, the act alone is pretty well. I didnt laugh whatsoever but it broke a wall in my mind of "Things that can happen and things that cannot happen" which is an odd feeling. Thats analyzing it without the context of the disgusting cruelty needed to engineer this situation which naturally remove the humor i would find in the act without that background (like if this happened by total accident in the wild with random nearby bikes).

I hate seeing bears perform. Monkeys do rather amusing things without being trained (A REALLY FUNNY video is the wild monkey taunting the wild tigers by tapping them and pulling their tails, THATS funny) so i find it less innately abhorrent than totally perverting a bears wild actions to create something so... stupid even though i know they probably beat the monkey too. Sure its bizarre to the point of being interesting but its definitely NOT worth the cruelty needed to make it possible. At the end of the day its really freaking stupid. And id be happier in a world where this didnt happen at all (except by accident with wild animals and accidentally placed bikes, THATD be funny)

 

[bojackx]

I don't really see the funny part in animal cruelty. If you laughed at this, you're basically a ****.

I agree. On a list of all the things this video is, I'd never think to include the word "funny". I was impressed by the bear riding the bicycle, but that's pretty much the only good thing about this video.

I'm with Nokturos on this one, the responses on this thread are shocking. Usually the Escapist user-base is fairly balanced and mature when horrible news stories like this come out. I don't understand how it's funny to see animals subjected to this kind of treatment... I see even less humour in those animals getting hurt/dying thanks to that human mistreatment.

How is training an animal to perform a trick cruel?

People do it with dogs all the time.

Sure, if you're using nasty training methods then that's bad, but we have no evidence of that here.

It wasn't people who hurt that monkey. It was the bear doing what bears have been doing for thousands of years.

Exactly.
And that's the same reason I'm sick of people getting all morally righteous about cock/dog fighting rings.
These animals want to fight and kill each other they've done it for thousands of years. Just because a few bad guys use inhumane training methods doesn't mean the sport as a whole should be demonised.

That's a load of crap. "They want to fight and kill each other"? No they don't, they kill because they have to, it's kill or be killed. Just because it's something that would happen in nature and because it's instinct does not mean it's something the animals enjoy. Odds are they're terrified of a fight to the death, like they should be.

 

[Slaanesh]

People, please! You're not grasping the message this video was trying to convey! Bears are riding bikes!

At this rate, they'll be learning to operate motor vehicles by 2017, and then we'll have a new terrifying problem to deal with. DRIVE-BY MAULINGS.

 

[Sir Christopher McFarlane]

I remember watching a film about a monkey who used to play with bears and was eaten by one. It was called Grizzly Man. PETA was probably happy about that, as there is only one kind of monkey they don't like.

 

[kurupt87]

And that is exactly how I see this. Horrible and disgusting abuse. Even ignoring the fact that they're on bicycles, just watch the guy whack the bear with the stick at the end. If they do that on stage, just imagine what they do to the animals backstage.

And did you even watch the video? Did you see the "handlers" waling on the bear with a stick at the end? That isn't the law of the jungle, that's cruel people beating a cornered animal for sport.

The bear is eating the monkey. You can't exactly tap it on the shoulder and say, "Excuse me, would you mind stopping that please?"

The bear probably lashed out because it was starving anyway. Just look at how thin it is while on the bike--it wasn't any bigger than any of the people around it.

The bear lashed out because the monkey crashed and tripped the bear up, ruining the task the bear has been trained over many years to do. Whether that training involved treats for success or punishment for failure (both likely), the monkey just cost it that. The bear would understand that, and be pissed.

OT: Hilarious.

If I was in a position of power, I wouldn't let this kind of thing happen because I suspect there was abuse in the training of these animals. That said though, 'twas glorious.

 

[WanderingFool]

Not sure what to say... so Ill say something somewhat funny if not for the actual fact that it happened:

Lets be honest, the monkey had it coming...

 

[Frotality]

you people seem to be so unnecessarily conflicted with the reality that something can be both deeply disturbing AND hilarious. you dont get to chose your emotional reactions, if the stimuli is there your gonna feel it no matter how self-righteous an internet post you make is.

of course the entire concept of a bear-monkey bike rice on a highly public stage is a disaster waiting to happen and a shameful mockery to both the lives of the animals and the depths humanity will sink to for a quick laugh.... but its still a god-damn amazing quick laugh. if we were there we would be staring awkwardly like everyone else, but lucky us, we get to witness it in hindsight as an internet video, so everything goes, your conscious understands.

 

[Darks63]

After watching that I flashed back to The New Hope when 3cpo said to R2D2 to "Let the wookie win" after Han explained how Chewie would respond to losing.

 

[Lilani]

And that is exactly how I see this. Horrible and disgusting abuse. Even ignoring the fact that they're on bicycles, just watch the guy whack the bear with the stick at the end. If they do that on stage, just imagine what they do to the animals backstage.

And did you even watch the video? Did you see the "handlers" waling on the bear with a stick at the end? That isn't the law of the jungle, that's cruel people beating a cornered animal for sport.

The bear is eating the monkey. You can't exactly tap it on the shoulder and say, "Excuse me, would you mind stopping that please?"

Yeah, the bear was eating the monkey. There was no way they were going to save it, so why agitate it further by beating it with a stick?

And let me say that again: Beating it with a stick. They've got a wild animal in captivity, and their first method of getting it under control is to hit it with sticks. I don't think there's any "maybe" in the notion that they abuse it pretty regularly.

 

[Bat Vader]

Making the monkey and bear race against each other seems like animal cruelty to me. The bear eating the monkey seems more like nature taking its course. That's going to happen. Putting two animals on opposite ends of the food chain in the same room and not doing a good enough job exasperating them is going to result in this.

Hitting the bear with sticks was also wrong too. Not only does that put the bear in pain but I am guessing it agitates it too.

They never should have done this to begin with or had a lot more and better security measures in place.

I suppose this does teach people that if you can't beat people than it is better to eat them.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Jesus Christ, the people in this thread.

People advocating for dog fighting because "it's in their nature to want to kill each other", people comparing animals getting killed to a laptop breaking. The hell is going on in the world that I wake up one day and see even one person proudly displaying these kind of sicko views?

Done with this shit, y'all can have your damn bear-mauling-monkey shows if ya think it's so damn funny. I'm out.

 

[Edguy]

you people seem to be so unnecessarily conflicted with the reality that something can be both deeply disturbing AND hilarious. you dont get to chose your emotional reactions, if the stimuli is there your gonna feel it no matter how self-righteous an internet post you make is.

You just won the incredibly prestigious and rare internet badge "not a stupid person". Thank you for your contribution(s).



Anyways, I lol'd. I lol'd good.

 

[fletch_talon]

Jesus Christ, the people in this thread.

People advocating for dog fighting because "it's in their nature to want to kill each other", people comparing animals getting killed to a laptop breaking. The hell is going on in the world that I wake up one day and see even one person proudly displaying these kind of sicko views?

Done with this shit, y'all can have your damn bear-mauling-monkey shows if ya think it's so damn funny. I'm out.

That's a load of crap. "They want to fight and kill each other"? No they don't, they kill because they have to, it's kill or be killed. Just because it's something that would happen in nature and because it's instinct does not mean it's something the animals enjoy. Odds are they're terrified of a fight to the death, like they should be.

You'll both be pleased/relieved to read my other posts which explain that my argument was indeed a false one.
I hope this restores some of your faith in humanity.
Though to be honest it was worth it to see that awesome GIF.

 

[JoJo]

Jesus Christ, the people in this thread.

People advocating for dog fighting because "it's in their nature to want to kill each other", people comparing animals getting killed to a laptop breaking. The hell is going on in the world that I wake up one day and see even one person proudly displaying these kind of sicko views?

Well, that is kinda the point of a forum, for people to discuss different viewpoints on topics. If you don't want to read posts which have a different opinion from yours, perhaps you should reconsider whether this site is for you?

 

[josemlopes]

Horrifying treatment of animals.

Comedy value would have been greatly improved if the bear ate the audience.

The thing is that this wasnt funny because it was a bear eating a monkey, it was funny because you get such a surreal combination of things straight out of a Family Guy joke like having a bear loose a race to a monkey and then chase him in a bike to eat him, that is the funny part. Everything around it is sad and wrong, the bear probably took a lot of bad treatment just to learn to ride a bike but I cant deny that the video manages to be "funny" due to all its retardness.

For example, if the bear went back to the bike and started chasing the audience to eat them it would also be funny; sad and horrible, sure but the amount of stupidity and surrealism of that moment would be funny (not that I would want anyone to get hurt, this whole thing could have been just as funny if the monkey managed to get out of the situation uharmed). Its basicly the essense of dark humor.