Most Amoral Game Ever
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Ok Hearts of iron 2 sounds pretty interesting, anyone tried 3?
I'd have to agree with a few peeps saying Saints Row 2 though, although not on such a grand scale, you get to see the individual terror of the people you gun down and get scored for.
I'd have to agree with a few peeps saying Saints Row 2 though, although not on such a grand scale, you get to see the individual terror of the people you gun down and get scored for.
Chiller. The only way to "pass" a level is to dismember the captives in a torture chamber with your trusty shotgun. You could argue that you are in some way putting them out of their misery. On the other hand blowing off their arms and legs, before shooting half their face off, followed by the other half is hardly what I'd consider merciful.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Don't forget about the swimming pools that got their ladder deleted once the Sim went for a swim. I was thinking Age of Empires where you just keep making peasants to throw at enemies as you tried to get out a fighting unit. But I think you win with the Sims!SakSak said:
The most amoral game? Pacman. Nobody explains why... you just gobble pelts and ghosts. There is no moral choice, just more gobbling and more ghosts. So empty... so pointless.
I think the amount of inmorality in games is nowadays so vast that it ends up being a bit of a trivial matter, to the point that it's not about inmoral games anymore. It's about sensitive players. And there is where Super Columbine RPG makes his point. There are bloddier games out there, like Carmageddon, but Super Columbine RPG hits the guts in the same way that WW II games. You don't need to be a kid going to school to be affeted by Super Columbine RPG, neither you need to be jewish to feel bad for being able to play the nazis in a WW II game.
Me, I'm the kind of player who loves to choose the evil path when a game lets me choose. I've played terrorists, sinisters wizards, crazy killer drivers, evil gods, selfish bastards, thiefs, arsonists, and, on a particular note, a lone wanderer with the objective of killing every single form of life in Capital Wasteland (sadly, the Xbox doen't allow mods in Fallout 3, so kids and quest related characters are inmortal, and animals and bandits keep respawning, but you get the idea) and my Sims 3 obsesive compulsive writer of novels, who killed 16 people and then wrote a masterpiece called "How I killed 16 and why you will never be able to prove it" -- then he found the true love of his life, and now he has two daughters and hasn't had any murdering need since he's a father.
And I'ven ever felt bad for it. Heck, my childhood heroes are The Joker and Cobra Commader!
But I did feel bad for Super Columbine RPG. Because I followed the media when it happened and I felt terrified. Because I saw Bowling for Columbine, and Elephant. Because I though a lot about that. And that's the point. I don't give a damn about a Sim, an NPC or a Counter-terrorist controlled by a 12 years old kid, or the old ladies I trampled over in Carmaggedon. It's all about the game. It's mostly about you. Because, would I feel bad for that game if nothing had happened in real life? My guts say "Of course you would feel bad for that anyway", but then again, that's the point. I'll never know because it's done already and I think that way because I have an informed opinion about it.
This reminds me of this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94114-Molyneux-Says-Americans-Find-it-Harder-to-Be-Evil
So, in the end, I think it's about how sensitive are you with certain subjects, that's all. But most of all, I think that if games are done with "moral", then political correctness appears. And then we're done and everything is blank and boring.
Me, I'm the kind of player who loves to choose the evil path when a game lets me choose. I've played terrorists, sinisters wizards, crazy killer drivers, evil gods, selfish bastards, thiefs, arsonists, and, on a particular note, a lone wanderer with the objective of killing every single form of life in Capital Wasteland (sadly, the Xbox doen't allow mods in Fallout 3, so kids and quest related characters are inmortal, and animals and bandits keep respawning, but you get the idea) and my Sims 3 obsesive compulsive writer of novels, who killed 16 people and then wrote a masterpiece called "How I killed 16 and why you will never be able to prove it" -- then he found the true love of his life, and now he has two daughters and hasn't had any murdering need since he's a father.
And I'ven ever felt bad for it. Heck, my childhood heroes are The Joker and Cobra Commader!
But I did feel bad for Super Columbine RPG. Because I followed the media when it happened and I felt terrified. Because I saw Bowling for Columbine, and Elephant. Because I though a lot about that. And that's the point. I don't give a damn about a Sim, an NPC or a Counter-terrorist controlled by a 12 years old kid, or the old ladies I trampled over in Carmaggedon. It's all about the game. It's mostly about you. Because, would I feel bad for that game if nothing had happened in real life? My guts say "Of course you would feel bad for that anyway", but then again, that's the point. I'll never know because it's done already and I think that way because I have an informed opinion about it.
This reminds me of this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94114-Molyneux-Says-Americans-Find-it-Harder-to-Be-Evil
So, in the end, I think it's about how sensitive are you with certain subjects, that's all. But most of all, I think that if games are done with "moral", then political correctness appears. And then we're done and everything is blank and boring.
You can be a surprising bastard in Rollercoater Tycoon, as well. Rig your coasters to crash and kill thousands. Or craft a killing pool to drown annoying little kids in.
WHat the hell? How is Hearts of Iron immoral? The only genera that doesn't allow you to play Germany is the FPS-- there isn't much of a market in developed countries for shooting G.I.s in the face.
I've got axis and allies... are the axis players scumbags?
I've got axis and allies... are the axis players scumbags?
I once played a flash game where you were a priest. The game revolved around you raping children without getting caught. It was an RTS game.
It's hard to explain, mostly because I only played for about a minute before deciding I had much better things to do, such as watch paint dry.
It's hard to explain, mostly because I only played for about a minute before deciding I had much better things to do, such as watch paint dry.
HoI3 is hilariously broken. Whilst they've fixed the problem that the AI harly ever carried out invasions by itself, they've somehow managed to get into a situation where if you try and play historically you'll get random shit like mexico carrying out their own D-Day landings by themselves.sms_117b said:
Also, Stalingrad has migrated about 150 miles south of where it's supposed to be.
(of course, HoI2 had it's own foibles, like Paris being plains rather than urban terrain, to guarantee that the AI could beat them as Germany, as conventional seige tactics didn't work on capitals as they never went out of supply)
I wouldn't call that amoral. They had their morals. They were just arse-inside out and disgusting.
Actually, Hearts of Iron fits the title quite well. It's amoral, in that you can commit atrocities with fairly little punishment (for instance, not going through with the pogroms as soviet russia will kick you in the teeth just as badly as doing them will, because you get a shafting from dissent if you don't but lose all your good generals if you do)thiosk said: