WrongSprite said:
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A) It's not like he did it in a day, he had plenty of contact with the Finnish army, they would have given him ammo.
B) Those snipers were posted if different areas and times. The majority of amazing Russian snipers emerged at Stalingrad.
Häyhä did indeed have contact with the army. Of course he did, he was just a trooper, not a special forces operative. He was a farmer, actually. He scored those sniper kills within 105 days. Which is a much greater rate than any of the soviets. (the numbers presented by headshotcatcher are made up) In addition to his sniping, Häyhä scored ~200 kills with a submachinegun. Here's a list:
http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm#WWII
The russians tried artillery, air stikes, their own snipers and armoured assaults to take Häyhä out, but didn't succeed. I personally met Simo Häyhä in 1997. Although he was in a pretty bad shape, he was still ready to grab his rifle and try to do the same again.
TheRealCJ said:
While it took place at the same time, the Winter war isn't actually considered a theatre of WWII.
Quite right. Nothing much else was goning on in the world at that time and Finland was not allied wiht any major participants of the war. (even though the western countries did send some help)
LimaBravo said:
Listen not to detract from Finlands impact on the Eastern front but .... the Fins didnt kill anyone Finland did. Extreme weather & conscript Russian troops took its toll and probably accounted for most of the deaths. Its a real impressive number but doesnt indicate fighting vigour or strength in any way.
read what one Finnish man did on that list, and say that again
Yeah he sniped some people. Well done /golfclap. How exactly does killing people who are unaware & not firing back count as fighting vigour ?
If you took his rifle away what would he have done then ? Apart from make the snow yellow.
Pick that little man up & drop him into the renaissance or the iron age & watch him snipe his way outta that LOL.
Now take your average Gurhka & drop em in any conflict from here to 100 years in the future & youve got them beat. You know why there are no famous Gurhka snipers ? Cause their good enough to get close with the knife & bare hands.
Now listen. The finns killed so many soviets duiring their massed charges the bodies formed little hills. True, many soviets froze to death. But, as recorded by BOTH sides, the finns accounted for incredible amounts of russian casualities.
Not only because the finns were quite determined, but also because the russians used tactics originating from the 19th century: massed infantry charges over open ground at machine gun positions. Finns made the russian numbers work for nothing in the woods where the "motti" was succesfully used. Also the outdated ruskie tanks (T-26) were easily disabled by cogging logs to the tracks and smashing a molotof cocktail to the air intakes or climbing on them and twisting the mashine guns with crowbars. (visit the tank museum in Parola, Finland and see for yourself)
Now what the hell is this nonsense about dropping Häyhä to the sixteen hundreds? This thread is about badass soldiers, and the fact that in his time Häyhä was one of the best and hardiest of soldiers does make him quite badass. He wasn't a coward: going alone in front of the front lines with russian aretillery raining down on you takes balls. The russians even gave him a nickname "Белая Смерть", Belaya smert, "the white death".
Let's have ot your way: Let's drop a Gurhka on the karelian isthmus in January 1940. It's -30c, snowing heavily and it's getting dark at 15:00. Artillery is going hot on both sides, the air is full of lead. I bet your Gurhka wouldn't make it. And that really is the point: you can only evaluate soldiers' achievements in their original context. Gurhkas are badass indeed but they don't make anyone else less badass.
Finally on topic: Of all time, the most notable warriors would include Spartan (greek) hoplites, Macedonian pikemen, Armenian kataphracts, Roman petorians, Mongolian horsemen, the medieval kinights as a whole, British Highlander redcoats, the german stormtroopers and any fighter pilot of WW1.
Then in WW2: US paratroopers, the RA(A)F, the SS (you can't admire them, but neither can you say they were bad soldiers), The SAS(still today), the FAF, Soviets who endured Stalingrad and the US marines and the UK royal marines(still today).
Quite a long list, and probably the most notable are the SAS and all fighter pilots, ever.