Most badass soldiers
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Marine 1st Reconnaisance Battalion (even if they're not soldiers)
They're not considered Special Forces because the USMC doesn't want anyone thinking that any Marine's better than the other, so, because they're not considered Special Forces they make their training BRUTAL. Their training is much like SEAL training, but with some extra pain and salt in the wounds.
They're not considered Special Forces because the USMC doesn't want anyone thinking that any Marine's better than the other, so, because they're not considered Special Forces they make their training BRUTAL. Their training is much like SEAL training, but with some extra pain and salt in the wounds.
Still I wouldn't underestimate them. Yeah sure you can blow them away with your long range weapons as the Tau. But what happens when The Void Dragon awakens? And what Happens when the weapons you thought were the destruction of the necrons come under control of the void dragon?Avykins said:
That's if the emperor can control him. And necron ships have landed on mars before so I wouldn't put it past them. There is the whole problem that he needs the collective power of fours suns to awaken him tho.Avykins said:
When it comes to having a set of titanium orbs instead of mere brass...
Sure, I agree with many people here. Go Finland (we rock).
But let's not forget the Charge Of the Light Brigade, eh?
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
...
Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
Stupid order as hell, but they actually tried to fulfill it.
Sure, I agree with many people here. Go Finland (we rock).
But let's not forget the Charge Of the Light Brigade, eh?
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
...
Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
Stupid order as hell, but they actually tried to fulfill it.
In Warhammer 40k I believe the Soritas and Imperial Guard are both overall far more powerful than the Space Marines. The reason for this is simply put support and numbers. Individually there is little contest (except for a few of the heroes and such from the respective units) but considering the relatively limited numbers of space marines and the fact that they basically provide their own logistics (coming from a single planet from which they draw chapter members in most cases), if say someone who managed to send out a communication on that level and ordered either group to basically kill all the Space Marines I'm pretty such they would (eventually) succeed. The Imperial Guard probably having 4-5 decent tanks for each Space Marine, and the "Sisters Of Battle" having the entire uber religious network behind them. Even if the Space Marines were to wipe out entire planets full of these guys they simply couldn't manufacture bullets fast enough to kill them all... 
As far as IRL military forces go...
I'd say probably the US Navy SEALS or US Army's Delta Force. In general it's our morality that holds our guys back, not lack of capabilities or anything else. A lot of the military forces that outperform them in a lot of the training (like British Royal Marine Commandos) are simply weighed down by less BS because their goverment isn't *quite* as messed up as ours.
I consider Spetznatz to be pretty tough overall, but in the end I think they are inferior to our special forces except for the simple fact that they work for a nation that has little in the way of combat morality and tends to be famed for it's "Git 'ir done" mentality which the US has been increasingly lacking.
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Historically, I'd probably say the most BA groups would have to be found among Christian knights, probabl an order like The Templar or something similar. I say this because all politics aside, they pretty much managed to enter The Middle East, whoop up on everyone, conquer the Holy Land, and gain vengeance for slaughtered pilgrims, with no real support or logistics from anyone. They also held out for a very long time comparitively speaking.
The Crusades having been fought accross a tremendous distance for the time period, where supplies and men weren't even guaranteed to make it accross the ocean (either on the way there, or back). They were literally outnumbered hundreds or thousands to one by other religious fanatics, and they still tended to win. Ultimatly being forced back because they were in the middle of enemy territory, and every knight that fell was more or less irreplacable where there were always more screaming Muslims to replace them.
History doesn't like to present it that way (reinventionism, political correctness, etc...) but there are reasons why the alleged "winners" still have a bug up their collective butts about it today.
Many comparitive forces like The Spartans and such performed well in some nasty battles, but generally didn't have the same logistics problems (the 300 was a suicide action when you get down to it, so logistics weren't a factor for that reason).
When I say "Crusaders" keep in mind I am talking about a combined European force here though (held together largely through religion) not the force of one paticular nation. The Crusades being one of the few things that has gotten all of Europe working together, and the results were absolutly terrifying when you get down to it. One of the more interesting things about the more successful crusades (there was more than one, and several were less than resounding successes) is that nobody should have ever been able to achieve that under any circumstances given the tech level.
This is incidently why when people compare say a European Knight to a Samurai or whatever I tend to think it's a bad joke when the conclusion comes out in favor of the Samurai or whatever.
As far as IRL military forces go...
I'd say probably the US Navy SEALS or US Army's Delta Force. In general it's our morality that holds our guys back, not lack of capabilities or anything else. A lot of the military forces that outperform them in a lot of the training (like British Royal Marine Commandos) are simply weighed down by less BS because their goverment isn't *quite* as messed up as ours.
I consider Spetznatz to be pretty tough overall, but in the end I think they are inferior to our special forces except for the simple fact that they work for a nation that has little in the way of combat morality and tends to be famed for it's "Git 'ir done" mentality which the US has been increasingly lacking.
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Historically, I'd probably say the most BA groups would have to be found among Christian knights, probabl an order like The Templar or something similar. I say this because all politics aside, they pretty much managed to enter The Middle East, whoop up on everyone, conquer the Holy Land, and gain vengeance for slaughtered pilgrims, with no real support or logistics from anyone. They also held out for a very long time comparitively speaking.
The Crusades having been fought accross a tremendous distance for the time period, where supplies and men weren't even guaranteed to make it accross the ocean (either on the way there, or back). They were literally outnumbered hundreds or thousands to one by other religious fanatics, and they still tended to win. Ultimatly being forced back because they were in the middle of enemy territory, and every knight that fell was more or less irreplacable where there were always more screaming Muslims to replace them.
History doesn't like to present it that way (reinventionism, political correctness, etc...) but there are reasons why the alleged "winners" still have a bug up their collective butts about it today.
Many comparitive forces like The Spartans and such performed well in some nasty battles, but generally didn't have the same logistics problems (the 300 was a suicide action when you get down to it, so logistics weren't a factor for that reason).
When I say "Crusaders" keep in mind I am talking about a combined European force here though (held together largely through religion) not the force of one paticular nation. The Crusades being one of the few things that has gotten all of Europe working together, and the results were absolutly terrifying when you get down to it. One of the more interesting things about the more successful crusades (there was more than one, and several were less than resounding successes) is that nobody should have ever been able to achieve that under any circumstances given the tech level.
This is incidently why when people compare say a European Knight to a Samurai or whatever I tend to think it's a bad joke when the conclusion comes out in favor of the Samurai or whatever.
Historically, I'd probably say the most BA groups would have to be found among Christian knights, probabl an order like The Templar or something similar. I say this because all politics aside, they pretty much managed to enter The Middle East, whoop up on everyone, conquer the Holy Land, and gain vengeance for slaughtered pilgrims, with no real support or logistics from anyone. They also held out for a very long time comparitively speaking.
The Crusades having been fought accross a tremendous distance for the time period, where supplies and men weren't even guaranteed to make it accross the ocean (either on the way there, or back). They were literally outnumbered hundreds or thousands to one by other religious fanatics, and they still tended to win. Ultimatly being forced back because they were in the middle of enemy territory, and every knight that fell was more or less irreplacable where there were always more screaming Muslims to replace them.
History doesn't like to present it that way (reinventionism, political correctness, etc...) but there are reasons why the alleged "winners" still have a bug up their collective butts about it today.
Many comparitive forces like The Spartans and such performed well in some nasty battles, but generally didn't have the same logistics problems (the 300 was a suicide action when you get down to it, so logistics weren't a factor for that reason).
When I say "Crusaders" keep in mind I am talking about a combined European force here though (held together largely through religion) not the force of one paticular nation. The Crusades being one of the few things that has gotten all of Europe working together, and the results were absolutly terrifying when you get down to it. One of the more interesting things about the more successful crusades (there was more than one, and several were less than resounding successes) is that nobody should have ever been able to achieve that under any circumstances given the tech level.
This is incidently why when people compare say a European Knight to a Samurai or whatever I tend to think it's a bad joke when the conclusion comes out in favor of the Samurai or whatever.[/quote]
I believe you are forgetting the badass armour of the christian knights good sir.
The Crusades having been fought accross a tremendous distance for the time period, where supplies and men weren't even guaranteed to make it accross the ocean (either on the way there, or back). They were literally outnumbered hundreds or thousands to one by other religious fanatics, and they still tended to win. Ultimatly being forced back because they were in the middle of enemy territory, and every knight that fell was more or less irreplacable where there were always more screaming Muslims to replace them.
History doesn't like to present it that way (reinventionism, political correctness, etc...) but there are reasons why the alleged "winners" still have a bug up their collective butts about it today.
Many comparitive forces like The Spartans and such performed well in some nasty battles, but generally didn't have the same logistics problems (the 300 was a suicide action when you get down to it, so logistics weren't a factor for that reason).
When I say "Crusaders" keep in mind I am talking about a combined European force here though (held together largely through religion) not the force of one paticular nation. The Crusades being one of the few things that has gotten all of Europe working together, and the results were absolutly terrifying when you get down to it. One of the more interesting things about the more successful crusades (there was more than one, and several were less than resounding successes) is that nobody should have ever been able to achieve that under any circumstances given the tech level.
This is incidently why when people compare say a European Knight to a Samurai or whatever I tend to think it's a bad joke when the conclusion comes out in favor of the Samurai or whatever.[/quote]
I believe you are forgetting the badass armour of the christian knights good sir.
3rd)Thebans, 'cos they beat the shit out of a number of spartans equal to their own numbers at the battle of... i forget.
2nd) Spartans, 'cos 300 of them whent to battle 10s of thousands of persians, at the battle of thermopilie.
1st)The SAS, because they're the most elite fighting force EVER assembled in human history. AND unlike the other 2 groups i listed, the SAS have female soldiers, modern warfare; totaly P.C. =D
2nd) Spartans, 'cos 300 of them whent to battle 10s of thousands of persians, at the battle of thermopilie.
1st)The SAS, because they're the most elite fighting force EVER assembled in human history. AND unlike the other 2 groups i listed, the SAS have female soldiers, modern warfare; totaly P.C. =D
The Zulu- Run 50 miles and fight a battle at the end of it.
Romans- Fought on every terrain, from Britain to Iran.
Vikings- The Church actually added a prayer into their services against them (Oh Lord, deliver us from the fury of the Northmen).
Spartans- Must I explain?
Romans- Fought on every terrain, from Britain to Iran.
Vikings- The Church actually added a prayer into their services against them (Oh Lord, deliver us from the fury of the Northmen).
Spartans- Must I explain?
Multiple sources say so. Many encyclopedias, wikipedia, quite a few documentaries and a large number of books.headshotcatcher said:
