Most Obvious Plot Holes (spoilers ahoy!)

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Johnnyallstar

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azncutthroat said:
Johnnyallstar said:
I want to point out the entire plot of CoD:MW2.

Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.

To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.

The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Okay, really? People STILL DONT GET IT?

Makarov is a TERRORIST FOR HIRE. Using American weapons and having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack (which the CIA is actually quite famous for, such as when the CIA supplied arms to Jihadists in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and death squads in South American countries.). Also, the Russian government is run by the Ultranationalists, the antagonists of CoD4.
Oh, I know that, but it assumes that we did nothing in the wake of the attack, and instead sat on our thumbs while Russia invaded. CYA = Cover Your Ass by the way, and the American government would have launched a massive international CYA attempt.

The Ultranationalists are basically former Soviets, and does anyone remember how America and the Soviets treated each other? They wouldn't have immediately invaded, that wasn't their style, and was too dangerous. They would have used the event to damage America's image, to decry America's corruption, and weaken her international support. Invading America would be a military folly almost as great as invading Russia. Also, what of America's allies? NATO, for instance? Nobody shows up to help her, even though the questionable reasoning behind the invasion, neither America nor Russia has ANY international support, even though there are treaties out the ass on both sides?

Even if that's the deepest of their writing ability, it shows a complete lack of historical reference, and also shows a lack of care and thought process. Invasion because of a funded terrorist attack seems like an elementary level scripting ability.
 

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dthvirus said:
Legion said:
The original Fallout 3 ending:
Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
That's a horrible ending, not a plot hole. Still a horrid, horrid ending though. Dammit, Bethesda.
Broken Steel invalidates your quibble.
 
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Hopeless Bastard said:
Watchmen movie: There was nothing for the comedian to discover to drive him over the edge, thus no reason for his murder, thus no reason for anything in that movie to happen. Hooray!
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It's outright stated that he discovered about Ozymandias' plan. It's exactly the same reason why he was murdered in the comic books, and why he was so emotional when he went to visit Moloch. It is in fact, exactly the same as the book in every respect apart from the fine detailing of the plan (an unknown space monster in the book, a known superhero in the movie.)

In fact if anything the movie version of that scene makes more sense. It's less of a plot hole than the comic. And it's also made abundantly clear that the Comedian was inestigating ex-superheroes.

In fact, everything about this is not a plot hole.
 

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The Seldom Seen Kid said:
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
I think I can answer this,
he has two different scars, for each cheek one, each scar has it's own origin.
 

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The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
When would he find time rig two entire boats?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?

EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:
If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!
Sorry mate but almost all of these have reasonable answers
1.He's a socipath these stories highlighted just how crazy and destructive he was this partly solved the Joker's origins as well, because after those stories and all his insanity its clear you don't need to know were he came from just that his life's mission is created just by the bat man existing meaning the joker just exists.
2.Henchman and planning the joker had been planning everything since the start of the movie(I know hard to believe but hey this is batman)
3.Make-up and the fact that a bunch of his goons were around to take care of anyone who pointed and stared at the big scary man with a gun.
4.Harvey dent was the face of law and order in the new gothem when two-face was made and began killing people it would have destroyed everything harvey had worked so hard to create and destroyed any point in rachels sacrifice.
5.It's the Joker common
 

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Hopeless Bastard said:
The boat plan failed because batman stopped him. Most likely each detonator was set to blow both boats.
what I meant is, the people on both didn't choose the easy way out. The joker expected them to try to safe themselves by killing the people on the other boat, which they didn't do because they still trusted batman to fix things for them.
 

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Two Angels said:
dthvirus said:
Legion said:
The original Fallout 3 ending:
Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
That's a horrible ending, not a plot hole. Still a horrid, horrid ending though. Dammit, Bethesda.
Broken Steel invalidates your quibble.
What changes in broken steel?
 

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Splinter Cell: Conviction has two massive holes:

Firstly, Reed had to know that Grim was a mole, because the game wouldn't have happened otherwise. Sam is in Valetta looking for his daughter's killer, although he doesn't have a name for his target. Grim is the one who alerts him to the mercenary presence in the town, and from there he learns who Kobin is. But the thing is, Sam had no idea who he was looking for, and Kobin would've had no idea he was there unless Reed (who had surveillance one Sam) told him. And the only reasons he would do that, instead of allowing Sam to go his merry way, are clinical retardation or knowledge that Grim was working against the third Eschelon.

Secondly, why would all the Splinter Cells suddenly go psycho like they did? it's established canon that all agents of 3E have to have been special forces operatives at one time or another, for an extended duration, yet they all attack the white house without remorse. Attacking Sam I can understand (he was a rogue agent), but why would they do something like that?
 

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cieply said:
Two Angels said:
dthvirus said:
Legion said:
The original Fallout 3 ending:
Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
That's a horrible ending, not a plot hole. Still a horrid, horrid ending though. Dammit, Bethesda.
Broken Steel invalidates your quibble.
What changes in broken steel?
You survive and keep on playing.
 

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HT_Black said:
Splinter Cell: Conviction has two massive holes:

Secondly, why would all the Splinter Cells suddenly go psycho like they did? it's established canon that all agents of 3E have to have been special forces operatives at one time or another, for an extended duration, yet they all attack the white house without remorse. Attacking Sam I can understand (he was a rogue agent), but why would they do something like that?

The president was going to shut down 3E and they would have been out of a job and Aemrica would have lost it's first line of defence.
 

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Legion said:
The original Fallout 3 ending:
Forcing the player to die or sacrifice lives even though there were two companions in the game that rendered this completely unnecessary thanks to their immunity to radiation.
That's not even a plot hole, that's really just a moral choice if you wanted to you can send FAWKS (if you have him) to go and activate the purifier...and you don't die

EDIT: okay, okay I get, you and the other 50 replies, just a simple mistake.
 

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The only one I can think is in Heavy Rain.

In the game, Ethan Mars has to go to a locker with a box in it that the Origami Killer had left for him. Just before the locker room is a Metal Detector. Ethan finds the locker and inside the box is a Gun. How did the gun get through the Metal detector without the detector going off?
 

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The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars? Possibly because he's, yano, FUCKING CRAZY.
When would he find time rig two entire boats? Well, in between the other scenes? Or getting some goons to do it?
How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars? He takes off his make-up which makes them less noticeable, and maybe people don't like to question how someone got 2 huge scars across their face, plus his cap was pretty low I think. As long as nobody payed too much attention it's hardly impossible.
Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face? Pay attention to the film.
And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter? Dunno which bit this is exactly, but fatigue, and because it's a film and plenty of them do the exact same thing.
There you go.
 

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cieply said:
What changes in broken steel?
You can order Fawkes or the ghoul sidekick(can't remember his name)to enter the radiation chamber for you.Thus there is no need to sacrifice either yourself or the brotherhood commander.The game then continues on a few days later instead of just ending
 

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I hate going into movie discussions in a game thread, but I can't really think of any that haven't already been mentioned, so I'm gonna talk about a movie.

Memento. Now, I love this movie to death, but there is one big fat hole that I just don't really get. Don't worry this isn't much of a spoiler. If the last thing that Leonard remembers is his wife dying, then how does he remember that he has short-term memory loss? Seriously, he keeps yapping about his condition all the time, yet the last thing that came to his mind before being skull-fucked by his wife's murderer was having been slammed into a mirror. It doesn't make any sense to me though. Still love the movie though, despite that one inconsistency.
 

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FargoDog said:
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OT: Not gaming related but it's related to The Matrix

How the hell did Neo get superpowers in the real world? He had his eyes burned out of their sockets but he could still see Agent Smith. The only possible explanation is that either they were still plugged into the Matrix and didn't know it, or the Wachowski Brothers just said "Fuck it," and I'm going with the second...

That and any movie or video game involving any form of time travel at all.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
azncutthroat said:
Johnnyallstar said:
I want to point out the entire plot of CoD:MW2.

Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.

To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.

The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Okay, really? People STILL DONT GET IT?

Makarov is a TERRORIST FOR HIRE. Using American weapons and having an American body makes it look like the CIA funded and supported the "No Russian" terrorist attack (which the CIA is actually quite famous for, such as when the CIA supplied arms to Jihadists in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and death squads in South American countries.). Also, the Russian government is run by the Ultranationalists, the antagonists of CoD4.
Oh, I know that, but it assumes that we did nothing in the wake of the attack, and instead sat on our thumbs while Russia invaded. CYA = Cover Your Ass by the way, and the American government would have launched a massive international CYA attempt.
What do you expect? The US military is an all-volunteer military service, and the US is tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the various UN activities, peace-keeping/support missions and military bases it runs around the world. The US was practically open to attack what with most of the military deployed overseas.

Johnnyallstar said:
The Ultranationalists are basically former Soviets, and does anyone remember how America and the Soviets treated each other? They wouldn't have immediately invaded, that wasn't their style, and was too dangerous. They would have used the event to damage America's image, to decry America's corruption, and weaken her international support. Invading America would be a military folly almost as great as invading Russia.
Umm... have you ever played Modern Warfare 1? Because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. In Modern Warfare 1...

It was the Ultranationalists that launched several ICBMs at the US East Coast. You should be asking why the Russians didn't use what was left of the Cold War nuclear weapons.

Johnnyallstar said:
Also, what of America's allies? NATO, for instance? Nobody shows up to help her, even though the questionable reasoning behind the invasion, neither America nor Russia has ANY international support, even though there are treaties out the ass on both sides?
IIRC, most NATO member nations retain small militaries for domestic defense and the occasional peace-keeping/support mission, since the alliance basically was set up to counter Soviet aggression. In addition, the invasion happened in North America, where few, if any, NATO or any other allied-foreign soldiers are stationed.

However, I do agree that the inaction of NATO and other alliances the US is a definite plot hole.