Most Stupid Plotline

[Trueflame]

With corvo it makes perfect sense, since he was framed by some of the top people in the government. It was his word against theirs, and I doubt they gave him much of a chance to get his story out there. With Geralt, it's a little more surprising since there was the missing monk, and other such factors that didn't align, but I guess in the confusion it's not much of a surprise that he was taken. And he would have been executed too, simply because someone had to take the fall for such a crime, that's just how these things go.

As for stupidest plotline... There are so many, but there's one I'm particularly sore about. Star Ocean: The Last Hope. My god, the whole thing with him creating the UP3, Faize's motivations for joining the bad guys, the bad guys themselves, it was all so terrible and cliche and just plain awful. Star Ocean: Till the End of Time's thing with the universe being a simulation wasn't great, but it never particularly bothered me beyond the typical low presentation values in that game, but the storyline of Last Hope was just atrocious.

 

[BrotherRool]

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While I agree that A LOT of the plot was idiotic, this was not. Recall how Eden Prime was utterly destroyed, another spectre dead, and Geth uncharacteristically attacked. Granted, this doesn't exactly implicate Saren in anything, BUT the Council still did completely ignore the deaths of many many people because they were human which at that point were a lesser race. So they might have been justified not attacking Saren right away, but they were a bunch of racist punks.

And then later on they didn't believe anything else either, but those times, there was tons of definitive proof.

Wasn't their argument that it's the role of each race to police their own planets? It's not a council matter if someone gets attacked by the Terminus systems etc. Council forces are for big things. And there was absolutely nothing implicating Saren so what they allowed in terms of investigating him.

Besides, Shepard doesn't care about the Geth either at first. She's solely going after Saren and trying to pin the evidence on him, evidence she doesn't have any of, not even her own eye evidence or any sign that Saren was on that planet. And yet she ignores exploring any avenue of investigating the Geth threat except going after Saren.


And there isn't even any evidence for any geth invasion. There's a small one off attack on a colony world lead by a rogue spectre (when they find that unbeatable evidence of audio footage, because in the future we lost the ability we have now of manipulating staticy audio) and Shepard demands them to send fleets out based on basically just off the visions she had

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

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While I agree that A LOT of the plot was idiotic, this was not. Recall how Eden Prime was utterly destroyed, another spectre dead, and Geth uncharacteristically attacked. Granted, this doesn't exactly implicate Saren in anything, BUT the Council still did completely ignore the deaths of many many people because they were human which at that point were a lesser race. So they might have been justified not attacking Saren right away, but they were a bunch of racist punks.

And then later on they didn't believe anything else either, but those times, there was tons of definitive proof.

Ah yes, "proof", we have dismissed such concepts.

OT: Spyro the Dragon.
Dragon:"Gnasty Gnorc is stupid and ugly and faaaat nyyyeeeeeehhhhh!"
Gnasty Gnorc:"What!? Thats it! All the Dragons are and all the gems are mine! Nanananananana!"
Spyro the Haxx:"I'm the dog from the Taco Bell commercials! I'll save the day with my small stature!"

Thats what young me thought about the plot anyway. Still my favorite game ever :3

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

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While I agree that A LOT of the plot was idiotic, this was not. Recall how Eden Prime was utterly destroyed, another spectre dead, and Geth uncharacteristically attacked. Granted, this doesn't exactly implicate Saren in anything, BUT the Council still did completely ignore the deaths of many many people because they were human which at that point were a lesser race. So they might have been justified not attacking Saren right away, but they were a bunch of racist punks.

And then later on they didn't believe anything else either, but those times, there was tons of definitive proof.

Wasn't their argument that it's the role of each race to police their own planets? It's not a council matter if someone gets attacked by the Terminus systems etc. Council forces are for big things. And there was absolutely nothing implicating Saren so what they allowed in terms of investigating him.

Besides, Shepard doesn't care about the Geth either at first. She's solely going after Saren and trying to pin the evidence on him, evidence she doesn't have any of, not even her own eye evidence or any sign that Saren was on that planet. And yet she ignores exploring any avenue of investigating the Geth threat except going after Saren.


And there isn't even any evidence for any geth invasion. There's a small one off attack on a colony world lead by a rogue spectre (when they find that unbeatable evidence of audio footage, because in the future we lost the ability we have now of manipulating staticy audio) and Shepard demands them to send fleets out based on basically just off the visions she had

Well to be fair from Shepard's point of view this was all srs bznz and in his/her mind the council wasstonewalling him/her. He/she also went straight from a very intense battle, seeing some cray cray stuff (Huskification) and then having a damaged, species specific beacon mind rape them. I'd think that would explain Shepard's side of thing.

 

[Danceofmasks]

Do fighting game plots count?
'cos Bob going on a quest to beat everyone up, in order to develop a better method for putting ON weight, is just about as retarded as it gets.

 

[xefaros]

Spec ops the Fnin line.Shock me till i care.A selling point that was poorly pointed out by several media.Its a video game that says a story only to shock you and even that has plotholes.You are selling a cover based shooter that has its core mechanics developed badly to be ignored in favor of the storyline which is unbelievably bad in favor of game mechanics.

Its a Game of Thrones game without a Game of Thrones series

 

[BrotherRool]

Well to be fair from Shepard's point of view this was all srs bznz and in his/her mind the council wasstonewalling him/her. He/she also went straight from a very intense battle, seeing some cray cray stuff (Huskification) and then having a damaged, species specific beacon mind rape them. I'd think that would explain Shepard's side of thing.

But it explains Shepards siding of things as 'Shepard is crazy and irrational'. Seriously the plot of ME1 actually makes more sense if you assume that the Prothean beacon didn't give Shepard a vision but actually just screwed up her head and made her go on an insane crusade. (Right up until Noveria)

The worst thing of it is, that even Shepard had no reason to believe what she believed. And they didn't need to do it like that. All they had to do is show the cutscene of Saren killing Nihlus whilst Shepard was actually present. Then at least whilst Shepard is being stupid at not understanding the councils perspective, Shepard is still right in her conviction. But we don't actually have that, it's not even one person who knows the truth with a council who won't believe them. It's one person who heard a smuggler say something and for some reason is absolutely convinced that must be true although she was on that planet and saw no sign of Saren and no evidence that Saren had ever been there. Nevermind not understanding the council, there is no reason for Shepard to believe the things she believed anyway.


And that makes Garrus and Wrex look like absolute fools, because they're following anyone who not only has no credible evidence to show them, but has seen no credible evidence herself

 

[Dansen]

Bioshock Infinite. As soon as you start messing with time everything stops making any sense. The twist is stupid, if only because it lacks the same impact as the original. I also think the same message could have been brought across without using such a dumb plot device.

The world building, atmosphere and characters were great, it just that the ending felt rather meaningless to me personally.

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

Well to be fair from Shepard's point of view this was all srs bznz and in his/her mind the council wasstonewalling him/her. He/she also went straight from a very intense battle, seeing some cray cray stuff (Huskification) and then having a damaged, species specific beacon mind rape them. I'd think that would explain Shepard's side of thing.

But it explains Shepards siding of things as 'Shepard is crazy and irrational'. Seriously the plot of ME1 actually makes more sense if you assume that the Prothean beacon didn't give Shepard a vision but actually just screwed up her head and made her go on an insane crusade. (Right up until Noveria)

The worst thing of it is, that even Shepard had no reason to believe what she believed. And they didn't need to do it like that. All they had to do is show the cutscene of Saren killing Nihlus whilst Shepard was actually present. Then at least whilst Shepard is being stupid at not understanding the councils perspective, Shepard is still right in her conviction. But we don't actually have that, it's not even one person who knows the truth with a council who won't believe them. It's one person who heard a smuggler say something and for some reason is absolutely convinced that must be true although she was on that planet and saw no sign of Saren and no evidence that Saren had ever been there. Nevermind not understanding the council, there is no reason for Shepard to believe the things she believed anyway.


And that makes Garrus and Wrex look like absolute fools, because they're following anyone who not only has no credible evidence to show them, but has seen no credible evidence herself

You certainly have good points. I won't argue with most of you points because for the most part I agree (I still love the game anyway) but for Wrex and Garrus I'll give a shot.

Now Wrex by the events of ME1 is a defeated man. Like most Krogan he is just wandering around doing merc work for people to get some credits and blood. If I remember correctly his reason for initially joining Shepard was "The enemy of my enemy in my friend" when taking down Fist and his thugs. After that it boiled down to him really having nothing better to do and Shepard being able to provide him with quite a few good and hectic fights. After questing around a bit (right when the story starts to make sense) he starts following for the greater purpose of stopping Saren, the Geth and Reapers. And if you help him snatch up his family armor he also sticks around cuz you're a good person and he kinda likes you.

Garrus, well I like to think of Garrus in ME1 as more of a slightly psychopathic rebellious teenager that resents being stuck in the vice-like (from his perspective) grip of the Man's regulations. From the conversations in ME1 I gathered he joined Shepard less for "stopping Saren" and more for "Cruise around the gakaxy doing whatever the fuck we want, whenever the fuck we want, oh and I guess stopping Saren." His conversations painted him as someone more interested in fighting without restrictions and for freedom. Stopping Saren always seemed like a slight afterthought to him. Of course he too falls for Shepard's apparently juggernaut like charisma and stays because he both likes Shepard and (after the plot starts to make more sense) because Saren really is an "evil" D-bag bent on bringing Mechanical Eldritch abominations to conquer the galaxy.

Bioware definitely could have made the start a lot stronger but by the end I thought it was perfectly acceptable. Maybe even pretty good.

And honestly, I don't think Shepard was in any state to go debate with the council about anything. I mean after an intense battle, frantically disarming nukes, and then getting mind fucked by broken alien technology and not getting an y rest (she he/she was sleeping but I doubt it was very restful considering). I'm more willing to forgive the logical pitfalls Shepard made during the council meeting because of what had happened only hours before than I am the failings of Udina and Anderson. As a life long politician and ambassador Udina definitely should have had the foresight to see that the council meeting wouldn;t go well because of the "He said she said" that would occur and the fact that Shepard could have gone insane. And Anderson, well he should have kept his mouth shut during the whole thing, his outburst against Saren didn't help the his side very much at all.

Just out of curiosity, how would you have written the first act to make more sense? And what did you think of the rest of the game's plot?

 

[sextus the crazy]

Modern Warfare 3 was somehow even stupider than 2. Like so flagrantly bad that it must be a parody.

 

[MXRom]

Every now and then I go through the CoD stories in my head in an attempt to understand them. So far no luck.

Modern Warfare 3 was somehow even stupider than 2. Like so flagrantly bad that it must be a parody.

Oh don't get me started. Everything about the Modern warfare story after the first one felt like it was written by a junior high student:

The Ultra nationalists, a political extremist group, despite being crippled in MW1, somehow manage to not only recover but manage to stage a coup and take over Russia, all the while keeping the entire nation stable enough to ensure a smooth transition to the new government. No military resistance, no economic depression, nothing. Oh and during that time they manage to crack the American missile defense system and use that information to invade the United States from both ends. Again, the military is still stable enough after a coup to invade the United States, somehow without Europe noticing when all those jets flew over them...yeah.

Then I dunno, after that you have Russia sorta being beaten back, but then again it isn't because it manages to invade all of Europe for no reason other than it's there. The President is kidnapped by the head of the new political whatever group, except that political group should be in control so there shouldn't be a reason for him to do that, but he does and the Russian military doesn't really care. Maybe they felt 'well we went through the trouble of invading like 5 countries at once, it'd be a shame to just leave' or something. They work alongside known terrorists that the bad guy belongs to but then they don't and then do again and-oh forget it I can't go on. I'm gonna go beat myself with a large object. Maybe when I have to check my driver's license to verify my gender will this story make sense.


Maybe Black Ops 2 will be easier to follow:

Some kid becomes a drug lord to take revenge on America. Already this is starting to look bad.

China is involved somehow that is real hard for me to figure out. They had a Chinese guy to help the Americans who were secretly helping 'freedom fighters' in the Middle East fight the Soviets but then the 'freedom fighters' go terrorist and turn on the Americans in the worst display of propaganda I've ever seen. Then the Chinese guy becomes bad and helps the drug lord guy because he's...um...Chinese? Then depending on whether or not you kill him decides whether China fights America or helps them because he was a general in control of-okay I'm starting to see that they are why they said this was written by someone from Hollywood. It plays out like a script of a Schwarzenegger movie.

 

[irishda]

We are overpowered by a billion strong army, what should we do?!
Send John
What? Who?
Him. (Points random dude)
What, just... fine whatever

Every shooter EVER

Yet this forum still loves Half-life so much...

Gordon Freeman wasn't actually sent anywhere in the first Half-Life game. He was just a scientist trying to survive. It's only when he killed the Nihilanth that the G-man decided to use him for anything.

Right sorry. Instead of "Send in this guy", it was "Well, shucks, as a scientist with absolutely no weapons training, I better just mow down all these aliens and special forces soldiers in the name of survival."

/does

 

[DoPo]

We are overpowered by a billion strong army, what should we do?!
Send John
What? Who?
Him. (Points random dude)
What, just... fine whatever

Every shooter EVER

Yet this forum still loves Half-life so much...

Gordon Freeman wasn't actually sent anywhere in the first Half-Life game. He was just a scientist trying to survive. It's only when he killed the Nihilanth that the G-man decided to use him for anything.

Actually, G-Man did orchestrate everything and was keeping an eye on Freeman the whole time, it wasn't a random decision.

SUBJECT:
Gordon Freeman
Male, age 27

EDUCATION:
Ph.D., MIT, Theoretical Physics

POSITION:
Research Associate

ASSIGNMENT:
Anomalous Materials Laboratory

CLEARANCE:
Level 3

ADMINISTRATIVE SPONSOR:
Classified

DISASTER RESPONSE PRIORITY:
Discretionary

He has a whole file on him, so...yeah.

 

[LAGG]

The most stup plot is Resident Evil 4 without a doubt. It's a big mess of cliche and nonsense from beginning to end.

They kidnap and the entire motivations of the vilains, the US president daughter, the one-man rescue mission, the stupid jokes Leon makes all the time. Downright awful.

I just went back to the Witcher 2 and once again though that it was so stupid that Geralt was blamed for the killing, same in Dishonored too.

I really think that the bodyguard getting blamed has to be the most stupid plotline in videogames. Bodyguards are not infallible and they have proved themselves loyal to their ruler. Corvo and the EMpress were in love and Geralt had saved the King's life before! I just hate this plotline

Now for the purpose of a thread, what do you think it the most stupid plotline?

Corvo was not mistakingly blamed, the guards that accused him were all conspirators and false witnesses. They all new he was innocent.

 

[Terminate421]

All of your answers are invalid:

 

[irishda]

Every now and then I go through the CoD stories in my head in an attempt to understand them. So far no luck.

Maybe Black Ops 2 will be easier to follow:

Some kid becomes a drug lord to take revenge on America. Already this is starting to look bad.

China is involved somehow that is real hard for me to figure out. They had a Chinese guy to help the Americans who were secretly helping 'freedom fighters' in the Middle East fight the Soviets but then the 'freedom fighters' go terrorist and turn on the Americans in the worst display of propaganda I've ever seen. Then the Chinese guy becomes bad and helps the drug lord guy because he's...um...Chinese? Then depending on whether or not you kill him decides whether China fights America or helps them because he was a general in control of-okay I'm starting to see that they are why they said this was written by someone from Hollywood. It plays out like a script of a Schwarzenegger movie.

You skipped history class for Afghanistan didn't you? That's exactly what happened. America funded the Mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion (although invasion isn't exactly the right word, since the Mujahideen were rebels and the pro-Soviet Afghan government asked the Soviets to help). Those rebels were trained by Osama bin Laden and the Pakistani army. As such, many of them flocked to him when he declared war on the US and re-established a base in Afghanistan. It wasn't exactly the "fight next to them, then turn on them" moment in the game, but then that was inaccurate because there were no American agents fighting in Afghanistan, they were just selling guns to them. Osama and the pakis were the ones training them. And no, the kid became an international crime lord (running guns primarily, not drugs) to seek revenge on America after his sister was burned in a fire started by a group of American businessmen and the CIA assassinates his father. And then his sister is actually killed and that just makes all the hatin' so much easier for him. And the Chinese guy didn't actually know he was being helped by the kingpin.

Yeah it's dumb, but then most all video game plots are just excuses to set the player up for large battles on their own or with a small team. I believe Yahtzee said it best when he said pretty much all video game plots were largely B-movie schlock in terms of story.

 

[Abomination]

I just went back to the Witcher 2 and once again though that it was so stupid that Geralt was blamed for the killing, same in Dishonored too.

I really think that the bodyguard getting blamed has to be the most stupid plotline in videogames. Bodyguards are not infallible and they have proved themselves loyal to their ruler. Corvo and the EMpress were in love and Geralt had saved the King's life before! I just hate this plotline

Now for the purpose of a thread, what do you think it the most stupid plotline?

Not to piss on your parade with the Witcher II but it was the everyman, the idiots of the nation, who accused Geralt of the assassination. Roshe knew that Geralt didn't do shit but the current political quagmire tied his hands. Roshe, despite being an awesome character, was a real dick and used the leverage of Geralt's accusation to conscript him into finding the real killer and getting to the bottom of the plot to sabotage his kingdom (people don't just assassinate kings for no reason). A witcher, despite being a distrusted mutant, is also one of the most powerful things on two legs - a terribly value agent and resource when trying to engage in counter-espionage.

 

[bug_of_war]

The Resident Evil games. Courtesy of Umbrella Inc, whose economy hinges on turning half the world's population into zombies and making them kill the other half. BRILLIANT.

You know they totally are the good guys right? They just wanna stop over population and keep the strongest genes for a new master race. They're totally the smartest guys ever. Chris, Claire, Jill and Leon are really the bad guys.

All jokes aside Johnny is right for pretty much every RE game. Even RE4 (which has little to do with Umbrella) has some stupid story bits in it such as:

The plan to send Ashley back to America as a sleeper agent, only we can't let the secret agent do so, and we also have to wait till the parasite is fully developed and she becomes just as mindless as the Ganandos.

Saddler wants Leon dead, but instead of killing him directly after he kills Luis with his giant phallic tentacle he walks away (not even attempting to take the parasite suppressor pill off of Luis as he's dying) simply stating that Salazar can deal with you, as in that 20 year old midget whom has failed to kill you numerous times already.

Salazar tries to kill you by merging with a large ass parasite plant like thing and his last remaining Verdugo to become a stationary monster with obvious weak points even though you clearly showed that you could kill 1 Verdugo (They're really fast and deal high damage) in tight corridors, 2 El Gigante (giants...) at once in a relatively small room, and an elevator ride with multiple infected priests, most of which have a Plaga that can kill you with one attack inside their bodies.

So yeah, Resident Evil series is kinda dumb...I still love it though.