Movie Defense Force: Transformers

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arc1991 said:
Manthraxx said:
I liked the first movie.... cue the torches and pitch forks
Same here! Tis the only film in the trilogy where Megatron is actually threatening, in the 3rd he was awful, and the second one he was lead by the fallen...Bay broke the only rule in Transformers...NO ONE COMMANDS MEGATRON...Apart from unicron...

Dont get me wrong, all 3 films have there merits (the 1st and 3rd more so over 2nd...) but the first is the best.
Ditto on liking the movie. I watched the original animated Transformers series and the original animated movie when I was young but didn't watch any of the stuff made after it.

I enjoyed Transformers for it's own sake. I had no preconceptions and was impressed that CGI had advanced sufficiently for ANY live action Transformers to be made. I've got a copy and I watched it repeatedly years ago--though seeing this MDF video reminds me that it's been so long since I watched it that I could pull it out and see it fresh.

I enjoyed RoTF somewhat, though it was a step down. Haven't seen the 3rd movie but I expect I'll buy it on DVD.

I know Movie Bob detests it but while I've enjoyed several movies he suggested it is PAINFULLY clear that his bias against certain directors--Michael Bay and JJ Abrahms especially--negates his professional objectivity towards their work. When they come up I always (and with 100% accuracy to date) expect Bob's dark side--Fanboy Bob--to take over and Sith all over the place. :D

Rotten Tomatoes gives Transformers a mere 57% Official Review score but an audience review score of 89%. The professional critics seem to not grok what regular people enjoy.

Adjusted for inflation it made $368,432,400 at the box office (with a production cost of $150 million) and even more from sales of the DVDs.

Hrrmmmm, apparently a 'betrayed' fan base doesn't determine a movie's success. Go figure... <_<
 

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While I don't agree with every point you made, Jim, I do agree that Transformers isn't NEARLY as bad as alot of people make it out to be. I enjoyed it at the time. At the very least, it's objectively the best of the trilogy.
 

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My biggest problem with the first Transformers movie is that after that opening scene with the helicopter the next 45 minutes is BORING AS ALL FUCK and then shit starts blowing up. It didn't ruin my childhood because I was just that little too young to really care about Transformers. I waited to see this movie until it was on DVD and I almost got up and walked off before the action started because I was bored to tears by all the bullshit that was going on. I found all of the human characters completely unlikeable was hoping most of them would die by the end. I've never watched either of the others because of this.

This literally seems to be a formula that Michael Bay follows when he makes movies, the first half is boring and the second half seems infinitely more interesting after that because of all the explosions. Look at Armageddon and Pearl Harbor as other examples of this.
 

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comadorcrack said:
Challenge: Defend "The Last Airbender"

Golly gosh darn. I do not like that film.
Moviebob already did that..."The Last Airbender" tries to do too much in too little time.

Transformers never had much from the start and required both sides to dumber then a bag of hammers for the plot to work.

Thanks to their environments Venus and Jupiter were ready made power sources that could have been bled dry with little interference. Or given how advanced the Transformers were they never seemed to even grasped concepts like solar or fusion power much less scifi ideas like antimatter power.

Then you had the ever growing number of characters which got to the point that no one was really being developed.

The Beast Wars-Beast Machines retooling fixed many of the issues and IMHO were light years better then the preceding series.

The movie fixes some problems while creating others that STILL manage put the characters into the dumber then a bag of hammers category.
 

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I actually enjoyed all three films. Granted I hate most of the human characters in it, especially the "funny" ones like that Asian guy in the third (seriously, what the fuck?) but I genuinely think they're good entertainment.
Honestly I just think the whole "don't touch my childhood cartoons" thing is pretty...well...childish.
Looking forward to the Turtles just because!
Oh and the whole racist thing? Give it a rest, the guy did fucking Bad Boys...
 

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Caffeine_Bombed said:
I actually enjoyed all three films. Granted I hate most of the human characters in it, especially the "funny" ones like that Asian guy in the third (seriously, what the fuck?)
His presence was annoying, but became fully justified when Laserbeak threw him out of the window; that was funny as hell.
 

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Personally, I think the two best things that have come out of Bay's Transformers is Transformers Prime and the rifftrax commentaries of the movies. While yeah, the original is probably the least bad of the three, it's still kinda bad. I'll be honest, it was better than I expected, but I was expecting it to be much, much worse. And yeah, I grew up and loved the original Transformers show, I can still take off the nostalgia goggle and admit that the original show kinda sucked. It's actually pretty hard for me to sit through most of those 80's cartoons all the way that I used to wake up early for in my youth. So yeah, Bay's Transformers is pretty bad.
 

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arc1991 said:
*Sigh*
The first film and DOTM are, for me (being a transformer fan), great ROTF is crap, but the action scenes are some of the best. It's just another TF continutiy, not the best mind you, but i would take this over the godly amount of animation errors in G1 any day!

Personally i can't wait for TF4...Hound is confirmed!...MOTHERFUKING HOUND!



Hound is the big army vehicle, Bumblebee is the black camero (more representing his Prime Beast Hunters self) and apparently the other 2 cars are Blurr (The blue Buggati), and Drift, Prime is obvious...
I thought the big army vehicle guy was supposed to be Bulkhead.
 

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Transformers is one of those movies I can watch the final act of again and again, but hate slogging through the rest of it. I kind of go against orthodoxy by saying it's problems stem from being too much like the old cartoon: that is, a one dimensional good vs evil fight between the ultimate good guy, the ultimate bad guy, and their armies of characters that get just enough screen time and stereotyped personality to go "buy the action figure and don't notice it's the exact same one you already have in different colored plastic." I even forgive the all maguffin spark as in a level of hindsight, energon and a fight for energy resources makes more sense when you are younger and unaware of renewables.

But we grew up with this mythos in our head that Jazz was somehow something more than someone that spoke jive and had big speakers, or that prowl had any personality at all and didn't like a reminder that, yeah, they were mostly very one dimensional origianlly.

Doesn't make it a great movie, but nostalgia blinders off, I've forgiven far worse.
 

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I can't get angry at the movie for being different than the cartoon, because I am an ACTUAL transformers fan, rather than someone who just wants a 2hr long cartoon.

I grew up with it in the 80s. I watched it as faithfully as anyone.
I watched the movie during its original theatrical run as a ten-year old boy, watching my favorites get destroyed and killed just to divorce the line from its Diaclone roots and sell new toys[/b]. You think Bayformers can kill your childhood? I watched Optimus Prime die AFTER watching Megatron, Starscream, and the Constructicons murder Prowl, Ratchet, Brawn, and Ironhide in terribly horrific [and awesome] fashion.

I watched Beast Wars, and then later, Beast Machines, with the alterations to the continuity simply to tie it all together.

I watched the Japanese-made RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron... and then the American produced Animated.

I've seen Transformers in multiple configurations, good AND bad. Sometimes REALLY bad. HORRIBLY bad.

I will say this, with absolute authority and conviction.

If you think the Transformers movies are the worst thing in the franchise, then you have absolutely no knowledge of the franchise and your opinion is not informed enough to make this determination.

I mean... KISS Players. Come on.
 

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I didn't know much about Transformers, then the movie introduced Jazz, then the movie killed Jazz. Point where I stated "FUCK THIS SHIT!" In a not so amused manner. Which was made all the worse during the 3rd one.
 

RJ Dalton

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Nope. My hate for Michael Bay, which burned long before I saw Transformers, is exhausting and I don't have enough energy to go into this one right now.
Just to let you know, you're wrong. Flat wrong. You can enjoy it as a guilty pleasure or not, but even for a non-transformers fan, this movie is absolute shit, as is anything Bay has ever produced.
 

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You have to admire the attention to detail from Michael Bay in Transformers though, I mean, look at the close up details we get from the camera being 1 meter away from a 100m tall robot during a fight...
 

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I actually lost count on how often I thought "No" or laughed sarcastically during this MDF-episode...
"Well crafted" actually made me break out in laughter. I'm sorry to say, but the Bayformers movies ARE as bad as people say they are. And even if someone didn't see the first movie, the scenes you yourself showed in this video are pretty much all you need to see the flaws: The robots move like something that suffers from the most comically overdrawn cases of Parkinsons ever, the fight scenes are just twitchy and rather resemble slap-battles of toddlers, calling Shia the Beef's pouty-mouthed, whiny performance acting is an insult to the entire craft and everyone involved in the final draft of the script should be kept away from any form of writing whatsoever (my favourite is the idiotic scene when Fox steps into Bumblebee the first time and is simply ennerved when Shia's car starts DRIVING ON ITS OWN AND AUTOMATICALLY SWITCHES RADIO CHANNELS).

I honestly don't even need to see the movie a second time to get pissed at it, I could criticize that trite forever simply by taking apart the stuff you just showed in this episode. Oh and thanks for including the "Bumblebee pisses on suit-guy"-scene, another scene right out of Bay's screenwriting book for morons. Piss on wether or not these flicks are "loyal" or whatever to the source material, they are bloody horrendous as movies in general.
 

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I saw the first Transformers, and don't particularly like the franchise despite having watched it as a child, and still don't like it. The redesigns are horrible formless crap, the focus is on the teenager and his overdone, stupid problems that I couldn't care less about, and there is basically no scene that is funny, tense or thrilling due to it all being so overdone. And Frenzy's ridiculous manic movement and sounds were not endearing to me, but rather pissed me off.

Manthraxx said:
I liked the first movie.... cue the torches and pitch forks
You're more likely to be lynched around here for having an unsubstantiated opinion than an unpopular one.
 

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Transformers is boring. Its action is boring. It has no real plot -- no, really, all of its plot points are marred with contradictions, so the sum total is no real plot -- so it isn't engaging.

The explosions aren't interesting because nothing explodes that you care about.

That's a crap movie. Yet Transformers is considered a shitty movie. How so?

· It isn't worth seeing opening day, even for nostalgia's sake. That can rankle. My friends and I saw it opening day. We were talking about something besides Transformers within a few minutes of leaving the theater, and it never came up again.

· Michael Bay is a bigoted piece of shit. This is known. His racism is in his movies. The more of it in his movies, the shittier they are. His use of Jazz was extra-racist here to people who knew the cartoon because they were aware of Bay's conscious decision to replace someone like Scatman Caruthers with Generic Ghetto Thug -- something that would only make sense to a white bigot. To someone not familiar with the cartoon, Jazz' voice merely sounds like an insensitive choice, since the context isn't clear. Thus, a crappy movie for some will be absolute shit for others even ignoring nostalgia. That's the key here: even if your nostalgia wasn't ruined, this movie says "fuck you unless you're also a piece of shit" -- e.g., it's offensive. But the later movies are far worse.

· The Transformers are supporting cast. Michael Bay sucks Pentagon cock -- and since Pentagon cock is shrunken, diseased, and only becomes erect during prison torture or rape, that's particularly odious. These two things combined begin to rankle. Bay's military fetishism wouldn't be so bad if the Transformers were allowed to consistently come along for the ride -- after all, the Transformers raison d'arte is fighting and the military fights, so peanut-butter-meet-chocolate. But the Transformers aren't allowed in, because Bay also has a fetish for high-maintenance supermodels with 12-year-old-boy figures, so that's what we get instead of the point of the movie.

· The Transformers are ugly. And confusing. And their aesthetic style is changed because Bay is bad at his job and literally -- this is true -- didn't even want to do the Transformers, so the artwork was basically his attempt to divorce the robots from the source material. Since the vapid source material is still more sophisticated than his actual narrative(s), this maneuver accomplished nothing but failure.
·· And that said, the transformers don't look dangerous -- they look like overacting garbage. You can't tell what the fuck is going on with them so they never hit the uncanny valley that you need to make them seem impressively alien. Because the transformations aren't clean -- like the original toys/cartoons -- the transformation sequence and transformer movements aren't interesting. You're watching blobs move on the screen. And when you can make out their forms, their movements are slow, jerky, imprecise, and Obviously Special Effects to the point where there is no immersion, which is aggravated by their busy motifs. Every element of their design is wrong in a way that worsens the other elements.
··· Compare the Bayformers to John Carpenter's The Thing -- the former are metallic versions of the alien in the latter. The Thing was horrifying because its component parts -- livers, hearts, hands, feet, brains, skin -- were being repurposed, before your eyes, into more useful shapes. You could see the flesh warp into an adaptation. But when a Bayformer transforms, you can't really tell where most of the parts were a second ago, so the thrill of the transformation is lost.

· The entire movie is a blatant marketing ploy. Since there is no plot and the movie is boring, the only thing left is advertising. And since advertising >> source material, the transformers don't even look like themselves, so there is NOTHING in this movie for someone who knows something about the Transformers. Literally, the only demographic that can enjoy this film are racist assholes born after 1989.

· When a franchise gets a Piece of Shit entered into its product line, it either slows, stifles, pauses, or outright KILLS that line. While Bay has it, no one else has it. Now, the source material itself is rather bad, but that isn't much of a problem since most of that tripe is low risk/low reward. Because of Green Lantern's film, the Justice League was axed, and those properties have far more forward momentum than the Transformers.
 

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Copper Zen said:
arc1991 said:
Manthraxx said:
I liked the first movie.... cue the torches and pitch forks
Same here! The the only film in the trilogy where Megatron is actually threatening, in the 3rd he was awful, and the second one he was lead by the fallen...Bay broke the only rule in Transformers...NO ONE COMMANDS MEGATRON...Apart from unicron...

Don't get me wrong, all 3 films have there merits (the 1st and 3rd more so over 2nd...) but the first is the best.
Ditto on liking the movie. I watched the original animated Transformers series and the original animated movie when I was young but didn't watch any of the stuff made after it.

I enjoyed Transformers for it's own sake. I had no preconceptions and was impressed that CGI had advanced sufficiently for ANY live action Transformers to be made. I've got a copy and I watched it repeatedly years ago--though seeing this MDF video reminds me that it's been so long since I watched it that I could pull it out and see it fresh.

I enjoyed RoTF somewhat, though it was a step down. Haven't seen the 3rd movie but I expect I'll buy it on DVD.

I know Movie Bob detests it but while I've enjoyed several movies he suggested it is PAINFULLY clear that his bias against certain directors--Michael Bay and JJ Abrams especially--negates his professional objectivity towards their work. When they come up I always (and with 100% accuracy to date) expect Bob's dark side--Fanboy Bob--to take over and Sith all over the place. :D

Rotten Tomatoes gives Transformers a mere 57% Official Review score but an audience review score of 89%. The professional critics seem to not grok what regular people enjoy.

Adjusted for inflation it made $368,432,400 at the box office (with a production cost of $150 million) and even more from sales of the DVDs.

Hrrmmmm, apparently a 'betrayed' fan base doesn't determine a movie's success. Go figure... <_<
You are going with the flawed logic of if it makes money then it can't be wrong because everyone has perfect flawless taste. If box office was truly an indicator of quality then the Oscars could save all the voting and just give the award to the movies and actors who made the most money.

Go to any nearby town or city, walk around for a while, and you will see that people have horrible taste. Bad tastes in clothing, bad taste in food, bad taste in music, bad taste is all around us. By attempting to argue profit is the indicator of quality you'd have to say that McDonalds has the best hamburgers because they sell more than other places. Bad taste in movies just fits into the same culture that says it's okay to wear those crocs, the stained white tee shirt, and the cut off blue jean shorts to Wal-Mart because we live in a culture where you can't question another person's taste without them being somehow offended. Our culture doesn't just embrace bad/poor tastes it wallows in it and holds the most brain dead of reality TV stars as the standard to strive for.

As to why critics are rough on Bay and Abrams it's because they do the same things film after film so you could almost cut and paste reviews with just a few name changes. Abrams always uses so much lens flair that it's down right distracting. Abrams also always makes a big deal about the big secret and the big secret is always a let down like in Super 8 where people imagined cooler stuff in the train car than what we actually got. Bay has a list of bad habits he's been repeating over and over again since The Rock. To make as many films as Bay has with zero growth as a director is going to annoy the poor rascal that is stuck watching basically the same film over and over again from Bay. Only so many times a person can take rah rah USA and I can't make great bad guys because have to win with ease every film.