Imperioratorex Caprae said:
I liked the first two Spidey movies, less because of Sam Raimi and more because they were fair interpretations of the character and the world of Spidey in general (plus JK Simmons was Jameson incarnate). I gave ASM a chance, didn't like it though and wholly disliked the second entry. I can even call myself a fanboy at times, but I've never had that level of vitriol towards movies. Not even the Michael Bay TMNT flick or Transformers.
The secondary casting in Spider-Man was amazing. Not just JK Simmons, but a lot of supporting characters. But I hated the main characters, disliked the story, disliked the plot, and disliked the version of Spider-Man they portrayed. I was initially wowed by the spectacle, but that's not enough to make me like a movie. It really was the first of its kind, but I kept hoping for that good Spider-Man movie.
And ASM wasn't it. But I will probably go to my grave saying that I'd rather watch another Garfield performance than Maguire.
I did, however, enjoy the TMNT movie. It was definitely not without flaws. Oh dear god, it was so flawed. But I had a good time. I watched it again and still liked it. Then again, I grew up not far from Mirage Studios and cut my teeth on the original comics before the cartoon was popular here and so I'm not so married to pizza-scarfing, cowabunga-screaming, toy-shilling dudes.
...though honestly, the current TMNT cartoon on Nick may be my favourite version of all time.
Transformers just bored me.
I don't know, I tend to be on the other side of the coin. If I do indeed fangirl, I'm not very good at it. I have ripped both old and new Doctor Who to shreds, even though I adore both. What I've done to the Harry Potter series might count as war crimes in certain countries. Highlander was one of the points of commonality amongst most of my friends growing up, and I've savaged it. If you'd read my impressions on Daredevil as I was going through it, you might think I hated it.
And Spider-Man was my favourite hero growing up. Period. But I've ripped apart every video version except Spectacular (which is still not perfect, but still).
I'm personally more likely to savage the things I like. Mostly because I'm more exposed to them. I saw Transformers twice, both because my GF wanted to see it. I barely remember the movie except how tired Peter Cullen sounds. There's a good chance I will never see a Twilight movie. I've seen Spider-Man 3 and Star Wars Episode 2 the same number of times--once. But if I like a movie/show/whatever? OPh, I will watch it 900000000000 times. I can find flaws in Finding Nemo in part because I can practically recite it backwards. I've read and re-read, watched and re-watched Harry Potter pretty damn often. I pick up on the flaws because I'm paying attention because I care enough
to pay attention, or just from sheer repetition.
Bob's biases are present, yes but there's a point where I think its a bit extreme.
My point was more that they usually are. His views seem to be largely prejudicial in nature, looking to confirm what he already knew about a movie rather than looking to talk about a movie. That doesn't mean his "Really That Good" series didn't set off some nostalgia points, but even when he's praising something I think it generally comes from the same sort of place.
I think Bob was always going to hate BVS. In fairness there, it left a horrible impression on most people in the form of those trailers. I don't think there was ever any reasonable hope of me liking the movie, either. But only one of us is a professional movie critic.
But honestly, if he's successful with it, then *shrug*
The market has spoken.
I'd expect the man to have an aneurysm by the time Justice League rolls out.
Oh no. If Bob dies by that point, he will be carried back to the land of the living by a Crow to finish his work. Justice League is only the beginning.
...sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, I get the feeling Bob would approve of that joke.
But its not even criticism at this point, its bitter ranting against something he clearly went into knowing he'd not enjoy it or like it.
Yeah, but I guess what I was saying is that the ranty thing is not a new thing for Bob. I think maybe it's gotten more frequent, but it's hard to tell. I only really see the meltdown videos these days, not the rest of his reviews. RTG is about the only thing I even remotely watch regularly by him, and I've seen...three?
I waited out Man of Steel, read reviews and such and decided I'd still give it a chance. I didn't hate it, but there are significant flaws in the movie, but most of them I feel aren't so much the story as its presentation. I can reconcile a fledgling Superman making glaring errors which resulted in people getting killed by his carelessness, but the story should have been presented in such a way as to frame Superman as a dude who didn't quite know what he was doing because of his father's insistence that he not use his powers to help people. And I can even reconcile killing Zod because there was no choice in that situation, and that Superman was basically choosing to be Clark Kent and not Kal El, defending his adopted race from a madman bent on causing harm and death to the humans.
It's mostly that these things didn't have any real gravity to them. Supes even comes off as callous when he practically levels whole populations. That's not inexperience, it's not Superman having to make the hard choices and choosing wrong, that's him literally choosing to endanger people.
Honestly, I think even the Star Wars prequels did a better job when it came to portraying bad choices.
Screen Junkies did an Honest Trailer for Superman 78, and made a better argument for Superman evolving with the times than I think MOS did.
But yeah, it's not the worst thing ever.
But again, it was poorly framed and it didn't work. But I don't see any analysis of that film from Bob that brings any actual critique about it. It felt more like a soapbox to ***** how his precious Superman was destroyed by Snyder and crew. And its no different with his critique of BvS.
I'd say this one was worse. Bob had a lot of positive things to say about the movie, from the visuals to individual actors to even scenes he felt worked. And even specifics on things that didn't, and the sort of retooling he'd like to see. Dawn of Justice? Hooboy.
I guess I feel the man should have evolved his work by now, but instead it feels like he's become a bit more immature in his ranting.
Nothing wrong with fanboyism, you're right but I think this is a step beyond that... into a realm I'm just unable to reconcile.
I think this is what happens when you have no oversight. A lot of the people I've seen strike it out on their own have become more..polarising. It's possible they're pandering, or it's possible with nobody to keep them in check they've just become what they always were. On the other hand, you could be absolutely correct. But when I see a bunch of people becoming more polemic figures as they move from working with editors and managers to going solo, I suspect there's something else going on.
