Movies where the 'bad guy' wins (spoilers be warned)

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ManiacRaccoon

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I think putting Aliens and Alien 3 in the category of "the bad guy wins" is debatable as well, because technically nobody wins, even if you count both the company and the aliens as the bad guys. The aliens are always destroyed at the end (with the exception of the facehugger aboard the cryo bay part of the ship, but the immediate threat in Aliens were the drones and the queen, which were destroyed) and the company never gets their specimen for testing, despite stabbing everyone in the back, three times. Alien: Resurrection doesn't count because it's not the company but the military and after they clone it it kills them all, so they still don't win when they finally get the specimen. If you were referring to the deaths of Hicks and Newt (no spoiler tag, the thread title already warns about spoilers and Alien 3 was made in 1991 so either you weren't old enough to see it or you've had plenty of time and didn't), that still doesn't work because there are other horror movies where some of the characters die and the bad guy is still defeated, and while this is sad for Ripley, the bad guys still don't win because of it.

EDIT: Now I remember, Hero with Jet Li is debatable as well,
since at the end all of the people he fought turn out to be on his side and he doesn't kill the emperor because he believes in his dream of uniting China, the only people that could even slightly be considered evil are the advisers who sound like a pokemon, are apparently purchased in bulk, and are really only doing their job. The hero turned out to be on an assassination mission so he had to be executed, despite having changed his mind. I put spoiler tags on this one because it's more recent and if you haven't seen it knowing he doesn't kill the emperor pretty much ruins the whole thing, having everyone but Ripley die for another alien movie is sad, especially since it almost seemed like they were going to let Newt and Hicks live, but not really surprising.
 

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The original Evil Dead, or any of the Phantasm movies. The retcon the endings in each sequel but the good guys usually always lose at the end.
 

ManiacRaccoon

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Reillk said:
The original Evil Dead, or any of the Phantasm movies. The retcon the endings in each sequel but the good guys usually always lose at the end.
"retcon"?

And I dunno if you were talking about Phantasm, which I haven't seen, but I don't count the real ending of Army of Darkness as a bad one. The deleted one yes, but in the real one he's just still fighting, the bad guys didn't really win.
 

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hypercube said:
"Brazil". Although I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't yet seen it. It's a fantastic film, extraordinarily dystopian movie from Terry Gilliam. Think Monty Python meets 1984, gets drunk and they go for a curry with Blade Runner.
Now you mention it... Twelve Monkeys in a way. The ending of that was pretty tragic.
 

Reillk

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Not counting the sequels of Evil Dead, just the first one. I'm talking about the Phantasm movies retconning. They always change the ending in the sequel so the heroes get away, when they died in the previous movie.
 

ManiacRaccoon

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Reillk said:
Not counting the sequels of Evil Dead, just the first one. I'm talking about the Phantasm movies retconning. They always change the ending in the sequel so the heroes get away, when they died in the previous movie.
Ok then, but you still didn't explain what "retconning" was.
 

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Mr_spamamam said:
I was going to mention that. God damn that guy was evil.

He had everything, everything, under control. And sure he doesn't make it to the end of the movie, but he wasn't meant to. His entire purpose, his sole reason for living was to complete this master plan of his, and once it was done, so was he.
 

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Night Of The Living Dead: All the protagonists die so I suppose its pretty close to a 'bad guys win'

Con Air: Ste Buscemi's character escapes killing/not killing that girl. 'Bad Guy Wins'

The man with no name is really an anti hero, so perhaps the Fist Full series could just about fall into that catagory and if not Tuco from The Good,Bad asnd the Ugly definitely counts 'Bad Guy Wins'
 

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RockWhore said:
Not sure about this one really, but Boondock Saints?
I guess I never really considered this film. But technically they are "Bad Guys"

-Dr. Strangelove
-Fallen
Any film by M. Night Shamalamadingdong
 

ManiacRaccoon

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Melancholy_Ocelot said:
-Dr. Strangelove
-Fallen
Any film by M. Night Shamalamadingdong
Who's the bad guy in Dr. Strangelove? Both the Russians and the Americans are panicking about the world ending and trying to stop it. The guy who started the whole thing was crazy, not bad, what would you do if you thought that Russia was trying to take your precious bodily fluids? If the bomb itself was the bad guy then maybe, but then you are getting into personification, and a whole mess of literary stuff I don't feel like messing with outside of the context of an English class.

Finally, someone who knows how to properly spell M. Night's last name, congratulations!
 

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ManiacRaccoon said:
Melancholy_Ocelot said:
-Dr. Strangelove
-Fallen
Any film by M. Night Shamalamadingdong
Who's the bad guy in Dr. Strangelove? Both the Russians and the Americans are panicking about the world ending and trying to stop it. The guy who started the whole thing was crazy, not bad, what would you do if you thought that Russia was trying to take your precious bodily fluids? If the bomb itself was the bad guy then maybe, but then you are getting into personification, and a whole mess of literary stuff I don't feel like messing with outside of the context of an English class.

Finally, someone who knows how to properly spell M. Night's last name, congratulations!
You're right. I was drifting from the thread topic. I went from bad guy winning to unhappy ending...Nuclear war being a big downer.
 

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I just want to say something and I don't want people to criticise me but...
What if the 'Bad Guy' is actually the 'Good Guy'?
I mean, for example 'The Grudge' (3 is amazing!).. The women monsteRRR is just actually cursed. It's not her fault that her mum was a Female dog (risisting to say the 'B' word) So basically she's not the bad monsteRRR/girl/person. It's her mother who's been naughty!
 

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Melancholy_Ocelot said:
You're right. I was drifting from the thread topic. I went from bad guy winning to unhappy ending...Nuclear war being a big downer.
Only when it's not accompanied by that song they play.
 

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Hellion25 said:
The main one that springs to mind is Funny Games. There is just nothing given to the audience in the way of hope or relief throughout that entire film.
This. It even pulls an unmistakable joke on the audience about 2/3 of the way in to bring it home.
 

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I could name a bunch if I really really tried but...movies that had 'bad' endings I can think of would be

The International (just saw it :p)
Kids
Elephant

umm... yeah I give up...
 

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hypercube said:
"Brazil". Although I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't yet seen it. It's a fantastic film, extraordinarily dystopian movie from Terry Gilliam. Think Monty Python meets 1984, gets drunk and they go for a curry with Blade Runner.
Brilliant post.
 

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The_Oracle said:
1984, I suppose. Revenge of the Sith is a good example too. Oh, and A Scanner Darkly, depending how you look at it.
The book did that more than the movie. One of my all time favorite movies.
 

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hypercube said:
"Brazil". Although I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't yet seen it. It's a fantastic film, extraordinarily dystopian movie from Terry Gilliam. Think Monty Python meets 1984, gets drunk and they go for a curry with Blade Runner.
I'm surprised that anyone else has seen that movie. Yes, Brazil is a pretty good example of a rather unhappy ending.

At the very end of the movie the main character (I forget his name at the moment) has a mental breakdown while being tortured and gets trapped in his own little fantasy world in his own mind. It's all quite sad.
 

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Night of the Living dead, technically, if you look at it as death is the bad guy I suppose.
There are all the good guys (All the survivors) at the beginning, and at the end, the last survivor gets killed. By the military. So it's tough to say, because the military are kind of neutral. but the zombies were trying to kill the people the whole movie. And then the good guys end up dead by the end. So...maybe the bad guys won?