Moving the New 360 Can Damage Disks

[Pimppeter2]

Damn it!

I hoped I would be able to play catch with my Xbox while I shot aliens!

Thanks for tearing my hopes and dreams!

 

[Treblaine]

GRRR!

It is DISC!!! Not Disk!!!

Unless you are talking about the Hard Disk Drive being scratched!

Remember:

Optical based = Disc with a "C"

Magnetic based = Disk with a "K"

And all this is to be expected if DVD wants to remain competitive with Blu-rays high data density allowing high data transfer rate at low spin rate, and with PC's standard of installing to the Disk Drive.

 

[Midniqht]

Why are people saying "Microsoft Fail"? This isn't their fault. You don't rotate the orientation of your laptop while you're playing a DVD do you? It's never a good idea to change the orientation of any optical device while it's got moving parts in action. This isn't just an Xbox thing. This isn't just a console thing - it's any optical device.

Use common sense people - It's obvious that there's Sony fanboys just using this as a reason to flame at the Xbox more, when it's completely unwarranted. It's not a damned design flaw

 

[Jumplion]

Though, really, the amount of problems that the 360 has had is really sad when it has to have it's own dedicated Wikipedia page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems#Scratched_discs].

I find it very curious that there is no PS3 technical problems page listed every little technical problem that has ever occurred with the PS3, ever. Even the infamous Yellow Light Of Death is kept to less than a sentence on the PS3's main page. Other problems (such as the clock incident and the Other OS drama) get more of a mention.

I suppose it's because the RRoD is/was much more of an epidemic. The 360 failure rate have been cited between 10% or 50%, which is a HUGE margin for any electronic. I've heard PS3 and Wii failure rates have been anywhere between .1% and 5% which is much more acceptable for an electronic.

My honest opinion on the RRoD, or any real failure with the 360, is that I find it completely appalling for Microsoft to let such a huge design flaw stay alive for so long. I don't care if they offer unlimited free repairs (it's still as likely to get the RRoD), you wouldn't want your car to be replaced by the same company if all your wheels fell off and it's been reported that it is a common problem for the manufacturer....would you?

An simple 3 strike rule applies for me; 1st time my PS3 breaks down, fine, I want to play my games. 2nd time, okay, shit happens, but you're pushing it. 3rd time, you're out, you cannot expect me, your consumer, to accept this crap.

BUT, we're not talking about the RRoD, we're talking about disc scratching, so lets refrain from getting off topic (though I don't mind discussing this, so send a PM if you want). I have heard that the 360 is very sensitive to any movement. Like, you twitch it with the disc spinning inside and it spazzes out. If you completely flip over the console while a disc is playing, then scratches are understandable. But not when you accidentally hit it or moving it over a bit.

 

[TelHybrid]

Isn't this a rule for erm... all consoles? I mean I've never moved my Wii, 360 or PS3 because it just seemed like a bad idea to move it with a disk in it.

Exactly. The console unit doesn't double up as a motion sensitive controller, so why move it while it's reading a disc?

I swear it's more and more obvious why there's warning labels on everything these days. Do some of you need a warning label on your microwave saying "do not use to dry animals"? Guess what, they have them! Well done society!

 

[Treblaine]

He deserved it. I will tell you why.

If you have your Xbox 360 ( any version ) standing up like the picture then congratulations....for you are a IDIOT and are asking for trouble from the get-go. The PROPER way is to lay it down. Even a rep from MS told me this when it first came out. Why they advertise it standing up? Simple. They do so because this way guarantees that some idiot will copy it.....ruin the disks or the machine itself ( It DOES hamper airflow believe it or not ) and then have to run and get ANOTHER copy of the game or the Xbox itself. It is business thinking....sad I know.

The MOST sad part is people FALL FOR IT. These idiots scream and yell and have no idea that they are the suckers that Microsoft are targeting.

You have to think logically. Lay it down and leave it alone. Pure and simple.

Then you will not have problems like this.

Anyone should be able to figure out that the original 360's were meant to lie down. If you just look at the damn thing, you'll notice the biggest vent is on the bottom, where it'll get blocked if you stand it up.

I'm not so sure about the new 360's though, they said the cooling system is completely different, (one big fan instead of two smaller ones), and it looked like the vents were on the sides in the pictures. Until I can examine one in person, I can't say for sure what the best way to keep it is, but it might turn out to be standing. However, in any scenario moving it while running will always be a bad idea.

If I remember the engadget unboxing video the big fan is again on the side and one side is completely flat with no vents. But I didn't notice any "little rubber feets" on each corner but it wasn't the highest resolution video and the camera didn't search for them.

Yeah, I think it is not a calculated evil, more a "live and let die" attitude, they probably show the consoles vertical because simply it is more impressive for advertising. They know that vertical increases risk of disc damage but
-(as mentioned) they are hardly harmed by people damaging their discs and buying MORE copies or reducing copies in circulation for less pre-owned sales
-They are more image conscious than consumer satisfaction conscious, they are more interested in the next person to buy a Xbox than the one who has already bought one: they have already taken the bait.

I think in the future, console may remove any distinct failure light, that "red ring of death" is a high profile made for SO MANY embarrassing JPEGS... in the future they may use a standard sound to indicate failure... as PC motherboards do.

 

[Magnalian]

I don't see how this is that much of a problem. Why would you even want to move the thing when you're playing?

 

[MorphingDragon]

Umm... You shouldn't move a disc while its spinning!!! Regardless if its tray or slot loading.

Regardless it shouldn't destroy the disc.

 

[Nannernade]

Ok... is who actually does that...? They're playing a game then get distracted and look at the 360 and go eh... I like it better this way... If you're going to play a game put it in a position grab the controller then don't move your hands away from the controller unless you're done playing the game. It's not that hard guys. o.o

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Ah, so now the red rings are on the inside and touted as a feature. Sharp move Micro$oft.

Double Ps3 fanboy with no reasoning

...

PS3 fanboy? Are you on medication?

 

[scotth266]

But not when you accidentally hit it or moving it over a bit.

I just took it as common sense that you don't move things with disks in them. A lot of people in this thread have made it a point to mention how you can move Wiis, PS3s, etc with the discs in, but why on earth would you do such a thing, even if the likelihood of damaged disks is low?

Moving things which appear as though they should remain sedentary while on is, by principle, a bad idea.

Also, why would you put your console within hitting/moving range? Considering that you just invested 300-something dollars on the thing, you'd want to take care of it.

I only had one disc scratched by my 360: and that was when my brothers put it on the floor and one of them kicked it while they were playing a game. This resulted in some heavy lectures, and my 360 being limited to my use only at all times, because they obviously didn't know how to treat electronics. These are the same people who will leave discs out of the case and wonder why they get dirty/go missing.

Thats because the PS3 doesn't fail nearly as often as the XBox...as stated in that same Article...

Yet the problems mentioned seem to accumulate to two things: that the 360 scratches disks (mostly when you move it), and the E74 error. I've never even heard of the visual error it mentions, and update errors have occurred on the PS3.

Why is it that this is deserving of an entire page, but The Yellow Light Of Death gets nary a paragraph? You could compress that entire "page" of errors into a paragraph.

 

[Hybridwolf]

Because moving electrical equipment whilst it's running is clever, and we should all do it. Espically if it contains materials which can be easily damaged.

Joking aside, the only reason this can happen is if the 360 is in the upright postion, which is never clever, and is asking fate to knock it over. If it had a proper stand like the Wii, then maybe it could have been safe. But since thats unlikely to happen, and since most third party ones are usless, it's best left horizontal.

 

[Jumplion]

Also, why would you put your console within hitting/moving range? Considering that you just invested 300-something dollars on the thing, you'd want to take care of it.

Shit happens, I once jerked my Ps3 while I was charging up my controller, people trip, stuff flies around the room, that sort of thing. Sometimes you need to move the console to reach something or make room for another thing.

 

[NEDM]

[HEADING=1]FAIL, MICROSOFT. FAIL.[/HEADING]
I mean, they may have fixed the Red Ring of Death issue, but isn't this worse?
However, I suppose most people don't really move their 360s whilst it's playing a disk.

Did they fix the RROD? Somehow cramming everything into a smaller box and add more to it might not cut down on the heat issues that kill the system. We shall see in a month or so. That being said, It's very shiny.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

I wouldn't call this a microsoft fail, sounds like common sense to me. But of course there are plenty of fuck wits out there so common sense seems to be in short supply.

Any other console, you can pretty much do a full Waltz with while the console is on, and the disk will be fine. They should have fixed this just in case of accidents. My little sister has accidentally dropped my Slim PS2 10 times and it still works to this day.

 

[Piflik]

Like I mentioned before, high ambient temperature ceilings are pretty pointless to people who actually know how to take care of shit. Hence the overclocking community. Trading ambient temperature ceiling for sizeable performance boosts.

I don't have an AC and I have never had any console or other electronic device die on me...electronics not suited to cope with 40°C ambient should not be called customer electronics...35°C are a perfectly reasonable temperature to operate electronics and you should always have a safety margin...'fuck it' is not what I would want to hear as a customer...but luckily I am not a customer...and as long as these problems aren't dealt with, I won't become one...

The overclocking community is hardly the target group for consoles...and bad solder joints, wrong solder or inadequate heat management don't increase performance...they are just cheaper...Micro needed a time and price advantage over Sony...so the saved time and money by using inferior materials and sloppy testing...25 cent per console to avoid that disc problem...and they didn't do it...

And all those people arguing 'it is unreasonable to want to move the console while it's operating'...those debates just suddenly spawned with the XBox 360...in fact EU consumer protection is aware of that problem and contacted Micro in 2007...although it didn't happen too much since then...see exhibit A: XBox360 Slim...really sad...but as I said earlier...as long as the customer is stupid enough to buy junk, there is no need for Microsoft to reconsider...and that is even sadder...

 

[asam92]

My friend put a disc in his PS3 and picked it up and shook it violently just to prove the point that Sony is better than MS anf guess what.
NO PROBLEMS!!! WHAT A SURPRISE SONY BEATS MICROSOFT AGAIN.

I actually just bought a Xbox 360 two days ago cuz the price in Australia dropped from $400 for a 360 Elite 120gb down to $250 (bundled with Halo ODST and Forza 3) because news of the new model came out so they are trying to sell all the old ones quickly, however I still stick firm in saying PS3 is better. It looks really cool seeing all 3 current gen consoles side by side next to my Sony Bravia 46" LCD. Its been a good week.

When I took my console out of the box the other day it had a sticker over the top of the disc tray saying "Do not move console while disc is in tray" If you ignore this you are an idiot.

oh and the new 360 looks damn sexy

Hell yeah it does, it is actually an improvement on the old model, the PS3 on the other hand the original looked nicer, I think the PS3 slim is a little ugly, prolly cuz the original was really shiny and sleek and the new one is a matte black

 

[Angelcraft]

AND you can't use your old hard drive... Fail Microsoft... Fail...